Official Club Stuff 2024 AGM - to be held on Friday 6th December 2024, 1 director to be elected by members. Nominations called for.

[Shaucob_Burjan]

The players have a senior coach that is legitimately scared of supporters and he also hides from most public events. They also get constantly told just making the finals is an incredible achievement and that our win/loss record since 2013 is fantastic. In addition, they are also told finals losses are an anomaly and Sydney only won because they didn't play like they did in the Granny.

Like no ****ing shit the players are mentally cooked in the finals.

 

[Duck Farmer]

I've always been under the impression it was 3 across the 3 teams as well, I was only debating the 3 AFL flags thing because everyone else was. But really, the 3 across 3 teams thing actually makes it look like even worse a failure. And although I accept the AFLW team is a startup team and the SANFL team is a development team operating with two hands tied behind its back, I wasn't the one who set the goal, they were.

2021 AFL
2021 SANFL

2022 AFL
2022 SANFL
2022 AFLW

2023 AFL
2023 SANFL
2023 AFLW

2024 AFL
2024 SANFL
2024 AFLW

2025 AFL
2025 SANFL
2025 AFLW

So we've burned through 11 of the 14 opportunities in the Chasing Greatness window. All 3 teams would have to win the premiership next year to achieve par on the Chasing Greatness strategy. And given no Port Adelaide team has won a premiership in over 20 years, that feels a little unlikely.

The wooden spoon in 2024 means we need to win 4 flags in 2025 to compensate.

 

[El_Scorcho]

The wooden spoon in 2024 means we need to win 4 flags in 2025 to compensate.

lmao that's correct, if they want to try to claim that SANFL and AFLW flags count in chasing greatness then they've also won a spoon in that time.

Current count:

Spoons: 1
Flags: 0

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

lmao that's correct, if they want to try to claim that SANFL and AFLW flags count in chasing greatness then they've also won a spoon in that time.

Current count:

Spoons: 1
Flags: 0

AFL Ports: It's not the SANFL anymore

SANFL Ports: Win SANFL spoon.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Being "close" by reaching a prelim doesn't mean achieving a flag is actually possible under our current setup.

If I have a 9L bucket i'm "close" to being able to carry 10L of water.

For Port to win a flag we need a fundamental change in philosophy at every level of the club. We can have the best list in the league but a great list will never overcome the fact that eventually we'll come up against a team who are better drilled, mentally tougher, with higher standards, a better gameplan, who have sacrificed more and believe more than we do.

Some people wont like hearing this but there is no question in my mind that Hawthorn were closer to a flag than us in 2024.

If they got through us they would have thrown everything at the last two games. Meanwhile we were celebrating a job well done and patting ourselves on the back - no intention to win the prelim whatsoever.

 

[rogerjames]

The players have a senior coach that is legitimately scared of supporters and he also hides from most public events. They also get constantly told just making the finals is an incredible achievement and that our win/loss record since 2013 is fantastic. In addition, they are also told finals losses are an anomaly and Sydney only won because they didn't play like they did in the Granny.

Like no ****ing shit the players are mentally cooked in the finals.

It's all conditioning to make them appear more successful. It may be working inhouse but supporters aren't buying it & they know it.

 

[Stryke]

The absolute own goal of Koch bringing up Sydneys GF performance when their coach fell on his sword afterwards. Can he be any more out of touch?

 

[Duck Farmer]

The absolute own goal of Koch bringing up Sydneys GF performance when their coach fell on his sword afterwards. Can he be any more out of touch?

lol - Sydney spanks us in prelim, loses GF, coach steps down.

Koch - how unfair is it to Ken that they waited a week.

 

[Janey]

lol - Sydney spanks us in prelim, loses GF, coach steps down.

Koch - how unfair is it to Ken that they waited a week.

That was such a rubbish thing for him to say. Surely the whole idea of winning a GF is to show that you can beat any other team at their best. And even if we did get there, if we couldn’t beat Sydney when they played well, we would have got annihilated in the GF.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

We're a fundamentally unserious organisation. We'd love a flag but not if we'd have to make even the smallest sacrifice to achieve it.

Correctamundo.

 

[TeeKray]

That comment sits nicely with his overall mantra of 'you just have to hang around long enough to get lucky one day'.

Good clubs think more along the lines of 'what do we need to do to bridge the gap between where we are and where we want to be'.

 

[tribey]

Not to mention stuff like Ollie Wines doing his shoulder waterskiing a few weeks out from the season, Ken Hinkley taking an extended break this offseason, Cos Cardone being allowed to remain on the board for a decade despite throwing the club under the bus in 1990 and being employed by Eddie McGuire.

We're a fundamentally unserious organisation. We'd love a flag but not if we'd have to make even the smallest sacrifice to achieve it.

It’s the largely unspoken preconception that Ken Hinkley, Chris Davies, Jason Cripps, and the gaggle of tenured board members (Restas, Osborn, Cardone, Ransom, et al) are the absolute best possible people in those positions over any possible alternatives, let alone Koch and Richardson, that gets me.

Like, are they?

Where’s the proof of that?

The handle to the trophy cabinet’s coated in dust, and we’re all sporting some rather momentous September scars to pair with the likes of the ‘Dream Final’ and ‘119’.

Even the conciliatory angle of “well, admittedly the financials are strong” isn’t that compelling.

You inherited a now 154 year old football club that had previously ascended to a national competition collectively worth billions, had recently reunited not unlike the two Germanies, was already in the process of emancipating itself from a dud joint-venturer, and was about to become co-tenant at a brand new CBD stadium courtesy of the South Australian taxpayer.

Wow. Thanks for all your hard work in taking that situation and converting it into “almost debt-free 13 years later”.

But nah, remain patient.

That sustainable dynasty is right around the corner, we just need ThE LiSt to reach the same infallible level of perfection that we long since achieved in the Chairman, CEO, Head Coach, List Manager, GM and various appointed Board roles.

 

[Duck Farmer]

That comment sits nicely with his overall mantra of 'you just have to hang around long enough to get lucky one day'.

Yeah, we're paying Hinkley to lead a professional sports team not buy scratchies at the newsagent, even if the latter sits much better in his wheelhouse.

 

[TeeKray]

It’s the largely unspoken preconception that Ken Hinkley, Chris Davies, Jason Cripps, and the gaggle of tenured board members (Restas, Osborn, Cardone, Ransom, et al) are the absolute best possible people in those positions over any possible alternatives, let alone Koch and Richardson, that gets me.

Like, are they?

Where’s the proof of that?

The handle to the trophy cabinet’s coated in dust, and we’re all sporting some rather momentous September scars to pair with the likes of the ‘Dream Final’ and ‘119’.

Even the conciliatory angle of “well, admittedly the financials are strong” isn’t that compelling.

You inherited a now 154 year old football club that had previously ascended to a national competition collectively worth billions, had recently reunited not unlike the two Germanies, was already in the process of emancipating itself from a dud joint-venturer, and was about to become co-tenant at a brand new CBD stadium courtesy of the South Australian taxpayer.

Wow. Thanks for all your hard work in taking that situation and converting it into “almost debt-free 13 years later”.

But nah, remain patient.

That sustainable dynasty is right around the corner, we just need ThE LiSt to reach the same infallible level of perfection that we long since achieved in the Chairman, CEO, Head Coach, List Manager, GM and various appointed Board roles.

Were you in a coma in 2012 or something? Go support the Tingles

 

[Expat power]

They don't give a **** about the fact that they haven't won a flag. They aren't hurting like we are.

Srsly? Do you know any AFL players? To suggest they don’t hurt is moronic. I’ll agree they make a lot of money and they’re treated like kings when it comes to Physio, training and care but if you think you can dedicate that sort of time and effort and just walk off the ground without a care suggests you’ve not had a lot of player interaction. Shaking hands and smiling with a bloke from your home town or someone you played representative footy with doesn’t mean you don’t walk into the rooms feeling like you’ve let everyone down. And “hurting like we are”, mate, I’ve left plenty of games feeling like I can’t do it anymore - unable to listen or watch anything footy related - I can usually pull myself together for the next game but I don’t have to get jabbed up, ice something hourly or nurse a cracked rib before I’m back at AO.

 

[rogerjames]

Srsly? Do you know any AFL players? To suggest they don’t hurt is moronic. I’ll agree they make a lot of money and they’re treated like kings when it comes to Physio, training and care but if you think you can dedicate that sort of time and effort and just walk off the ground without a care suggests you’ve not had a lot of player interaction. Shaking hands and smiling with a bloke from your home town or someone you played representative footy with doesn’t mean you don’t walk into the rooms feeling like you’ve let everyone down. And “hurting like we are”, mate, I’ve left plenty of games feeling like I can’t do it anymore - unable to listen or watch anything footy related - I can usually pull myself together for the next game but I don’t have to get jabbed up, ice something hourly or nurse a cracked rib before I’m back at AO.

All fair points but maybe if they stopped making excuses & showed some public accountability for poor finals performances like normal Afl clubs do we wouldn't have such a negative opinion.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Srsly? Do you know any AFL players? To suggest they don’t hurt is moronic. I’ll agree they make a lot of money and they’re treated like kings when it comes to Physio, training and care but if you think you can dedicate that sort of time and effort and just walk off the ground without a care suggests you’ve not had a lot of player interaction. Shaking hands and smiling with a bloke from your home town or someone you played representative footy with doesn’t mean you don’t walk into the rooms feeling like you’ve let everyone down. And “hurting like we are”, mate, I’ve left plenty of games feeling like I can’t do it anymore - unable to listen or watch anything footy related - I can usually pull myself together for the next game but I don’t have to get jabbed up, ice something hourly or nurse a cracked rib before I’m back at AO.

Yeah when they say stuff in the media like:

They are fine with losing games because they have lost less games than they "expected to"

They have proved everyone wrong by beating 7th at home in a semi final (with 2 finals still to come)

That the club has been successful (during our longest and most embarrassing drought, where our only notable moments are ruining the captaincy, losing a GF by 119, and setting the record for the least successful coach in VFL/AFL history)

And routinely going well above whats required to back in that failing coach despite it being clear he cant get them there.

Id say no, they dont hurt by missing out on flags. Not all of them, blokes like Ebert are big exceptions, but enough of them have been brainwashed in to believing a premiership is an impossible goal and you can celebrate things like making finals.

 

[TeeKray]

Srsly? Do you know any AFL players? To suggest they don’t hurt is moronic. I’ll agree they make a lot of money and they’re treated like kings when it comes to Physio, training and care but if you think you can dedicate that sort of time and effort and just walk off the ground without a care suggests you’ve not had a lot of player interaction. Shaking hands and smiling with a bloke from your home town or someone you played representative footy with doesn’t mean you don’t walk into the rooms feeling like you’ve let everyone down. And “hurting like we are”, mate, I’ve left plenty of games feeling like I can’t do it anymore - unable to listen or watch anything footy related - I can usually pull myself together for the next game but I don’t have to get jabbed up, ice something hourly or nurse a cracked rib before I’m back at AO.

There's hurting and then there's really hurting. Watch the press conference with Williams and Tredrea post the '03 prelim and you'll see two men that are hurting. Listen to current players and coaches and you'll hear disappointment. There's a difference. Most of it IMO is around expectation - the current players and coaches don't actually believe they can win the premiership so not winning doesn't hurt them as much because they think it's too hard and don't actually expect to, it's more of a hope or a wish.

And as far as administrators go (who I think were the people El Scorcho was actually referring to in his post), they aren't even disappointed, they actively celebrate stability and slightly above average results and are actually over the moon with the results of the past decade or so.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

There's hurting and then there's really hurting. Watch the press conference with Williams and Tredrea post the '03 prelim and you'll see two men that are hurting. Listen to current players and coaches and you'll hear disappointment. There's a difference. Most of it IMO is around expectation - the current players and coaches don't actually believe they can win the premiership so not winning doesn't hurt them as much because they think it's too hard and don't actually expect to, it's more of a hope or a wish.

And as far as administrators go (who I think were the people El Scorcho was actually referring to in his post), they aren't even disappointed, they actively celebrate stability and slightly above average results and are actually over the moon with the results of the past decade or so.

I mean he copped shit on here for it but just listen to Sam Mitchell after Hawthorn lost the prelim. That shows hurting more than any Port representative has sounded in decades.

 

[TeeKray]

I mean he copped shit on here for it but just listen to Sam Mitchell after Hawthorn lost the prelim. That shows hurting more than any Port representative has sounded in decades.

Yeah, he moved into sore loser territory by trying to take it out on us, but it showed he was hurting badly.

 

[Bump Bailey]

Yeah, he moved into sore loser territory by trying to take it out on us, but it showed he was hurting badly.

I might be in the minority, but I'd okay with sore loser territory (from our bloke).

I'd put (Prime) Clarkson, C. Scott and Hardwick in that category.

Turns out those boys have a fair few premiership reunions to attend.

 

[PA88]

I needed a big break from football this off-season. I couldn't make the AGM either. Just been reading this thread. You bloody need spew bags to attend these events now. The club's lost.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Further to tribey's Venn Diagram, over the weekend I looked at the bottom teams and how many wins they have had and how many top 5 picks they potentially had the last few years.

Remember when we had 3 wins in 2011 and 5,5 wins in 2012 and some media were talking about what do we stand for, send them to Tassie etc type talk, despite in 2009 was 9 wins and 2010 was 10 wins, and then in 2013 12 wins. We bounced back better than a few clubs have when the shit hit the fan.

We never got a top 5 pick!! GWS got 1,2,3 and 5 in 2011 when we finished 2nd bottom, and pick 7 when we finished 14th in 2012 as both Melbourne and Western Bulldogs got an uncontracted player compo pick for losing Scully and Ward to GWS respectively. GWS duded us somewhat, 2 drafts in a row.

I looked back to 2018, given we missed finals that year after being 11-4, and looked at bottom 4 as those side usually win between 2 and 7 games and also looked at the 14th team (bottom 5 and gets a top 5 pick if no compo picks and matching bids on draft day) as sometimes those teams are just as bad as a couple of the bottom 4 teams.

14 teams have finished bottom 4 (ie 15th to 18th) over those 7 seasons. 3 of those teams post their bottom 4 year, have won a flag ( Melbourne, Collingwood and Brisbane) and 2 have had had post premiership bottoming out seasons (Richmond and West Coast).

Freo have finished in bottom 5th spot twice.

Only 3 clubs haven't finished bottom 4/bottom 5 - Geelong, Western Bulldogs and Port.

The downside of being a good club on field and not get those high draft picks unless we trade away players, and a well run club off field for most of the time, is we that can't attain greatness. That's what we are, a solid club but not a great one - as great clubs win premierships.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Further to my table in the previous post, I looked at what the top 8 sides did in September in the 7 seasons 2018-2024.

Port have made finals 4 times. The following teams made finals over the last 7 seasons - Brisbane and Geelong 6 times. Collingwood, GWS, Sydney and Bulldogs 5 times and Melbourne and Richmond join Port on 4 times.

Port is the only one of those 9 teams to finish lower down the ladder than they entered the finals in.
2020 - 1st to 3rd
2021 - 2nd to 3rd
2023 - 3rd to 5th - out in straight sets
2024 - 2nd to 3rd

Brisbane's have made 6 finals series in the last 7 seasons, the first 3 years of finals 2019-20-21 they slid down the ladder, finished 2019 2nd and 2021 4th, going out in straight sets, but then became battle hardened and have improved or stayed the same;
2022 - 6th to 4th, 2023 2nd and lost the GF, and 2024 5th to Premiers.

Geelong have made the PF 9 of the 14 seasons Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

49

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

has coached and finals 12 of 14 seasons. They made finals in 6 of the last 7 seasons and went backwards in 3 of the 7 last seasons;
2019 - 1st to 3rd, 2021 - 3rd to 4th and 2024 - 3rd to 4th, but did beat Port in the 2 v 3 QF.
Improved in 2020 - 4th to losing GF and stayed the same position in 2018 - 8th and 2022 - 1st and won the Flag

Bulldogs who like Port and Geelong haven't finished bottom 5 in the last 7 seasons, but went backwards in 2 seasons,
2020 - 7th to 8th and 2024 - 6th to 7th, stayed the same in 2019 - 7th and 2022 - 8th.
In 2021 the Bulldogs were 1st with 3 games to go - lost all 3 and lost 9% and finished 5th - but made the GF.

Collingwood have made finals 5 times and improved their position in 3 of those years;
2018 - 3rd to the GF (thanks to Mason Cox

46

Mason Cox

Age

34

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

), 2020 - 8th to 6th, and 2022 - 4th to 3rd.
Stayed the same in 2019 - 4th and 2023 - 1st and won the Flag

GWS have made finals 5 times and improved their position in 4 of those years;
2018 - 7th to 6th, 2019 - 6th to the GF, 2021 - 7th to 6th, 2023 - 7th to 4th
They went backwards in 2024 - 4th to 5th going out in straight sets, losing 2 finals by 6 and 5 pts

Sydney have made finals 5 times and improved their position in 2022 - 3rd to a GF and 2023 stayed 8th.
They went backwards 3 times in 2018 - 6th to 7th, 2021 - 6th to 7th, and 2024 1st to losing the GF.

Richmond like Port have made finals 4 times in the last 7 seasons and improved their position in 2 of those years;
2019 and 2020 - won the Flag from 3rd (just like 2017). They went backwards in 2018 - 1st to 3rd (thanks to Mason Cox

46

Mason Cox

Age

34

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

) and stayed the same in 2022.

Melbourne like Port have made finals 4 times in the last 7 seasons and they slid down the ladder 2 yesrs
2022 - 2nd to 5th going out in straight sets and 2023 - 4th to 6th out in straight sets like Port that season
2021 they finished first and won the flag and 2018 the improved from 5th to 4th.


No wonder Chris Davies at the AGM didn't show tribey's Venn Diagram or these finals stats and only showed how many games we had won in the home and away seasons. Had to spin a positive measure. Can't remember how many years he went back, but I don't think it was the full Hinkley 12 seasons 2013-2024.