List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

[Mr Magic]

Only way I see us giving Port 10 is something like:

Pick 10 to Port for 13 and 29
18 and 20 to St Kilda for 8
6 and 23 to Norf for 2 and F2

1, 2, 8, 11, 13, 24, 29.

possible, who knows

 

[prodigy]

Not sure how a Carlton support in the know coming here telling us we are talking with port about 13, ended up with north and saints supporters coming to this board and explaining how they will end up with all our picks ?

The Carlton supporter you are referencing has runs on the board.
Carries a bit of weight which results in oppo supporters joining in the discussion.

Nothing wrong with it. We have no control over the picks, allow people to speculate. Doesn't matter what team they support.

 

[Mr Magic]

Reading above makes no sense to go from pick 13 to pick 10. Literally 3 spots. Port have picks 13,29,36 & 50
The only way we accept this is for 13 & 29 for 10 which seems to be extreme overs. Just my thoughts. Surely they’d want something else in return unless this is tied with another deal. Ie north? Pick 2?

of course it makes sense to get access to the player they want. Look how they traded up to get Rooze and Butters years back

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Sam Lalor is a red-hot contender to be the No. 1 pick in this year’s AFL Draft, and he hasn’t even been able to showcase his best footy.
The boy from Bacchus Marsh has been cruelled by injury for the past year and hasn’t played at more than 80 per cent fitness in 2024, but he has still managed to wow recruiters.
Lalor was underdone entering his draft year – although he has never had a fully fledged footy pre-season growing up due to his high level cricket commitments.
A hyperextended knee impacted his pre-season and then the big bodied midfielder sustained a hip injury playing school cricket for Geelong Grammar.
Then came an ankle blow in May that left him in a moon boot, followed by a quad niggle.

Sam Lalor in action for the AFL Academy. Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Sam Lalor flies high for Vic Country. Picture: Josh Chadwick/AFL Photos
“Every time I come back for a couple of games and had another so it has been pretty frustrating,” Lalor said.
“It has been pretty frustrating having so many injuries and missing out on some good games like finals for the Rebels and fair bit of school footy and an academy game. But at the end of the day it’s out of my control and I can just try get my rehab done and get myself right.
“Early I was probably 50 per cent (fitness), the highest I’ve been this year is probably 80 per cent, so I think next year if I end up at a club then I can get a good base in and show a bit of fitness and really improve.”
And just when he got his body right towards the end of the year with the GWV Rebels, he suffered a serious hamstring injury that kept him out of combine testing.
But, somehow, he kept playing.
“Yeah, stupidly,” Lalor said with a smile.
“I didn’t want to lose, so I said to my coach, ‘I’m not coming off until I know we’re winning’.
“It does show my probably loyalty to my teammates as well and my competitiveness.”
BLESSING IN DISGUISE
That cursed injury run also proved to be a blessing in disguise.
The first game he played for the year – where he was at around 50 per cent with only two or three sessions under his belt – came in round one of the APS season for Geelong Grammar.
He was gassed after a first half in the midfield against Wesley College and Geelong Grammar head of football Troy Selwood and coach Andy Allthorpe made the call to move him forward – a role that was relatively new to him at that point.
“When it came to halftime he was already cramping, I remember Andy and I had a chat and I was like, ‘look, it’s probably no surprise here but let’s get him one out inside 30 and see if we can get the ball into him’,” Selwood said.
“And he took hold of the game after that.”
The 188 centimetre bull kicked a bag of six in the second half to finish with seven for the match.
“We like to take the credit, but it was probably Sam’s body where we had no other option,” Selwood said with a laugh.

Sam Lalor kicked seven goals against Wesley. Picture: Alan Barber
Fast forward six months later and his marking threat and ability to impact up forward is regarded as one of Lalor’s biggest points of difference.
Lalor broke a game open up forward with the strength and power of his idols Jordan De Goey and Dustin Martin at the national championships against the Allies with three goals, including the sealer.
In his next game for Vic Country he took a towering grab and another contested mark at the death.
And in both those games he laid bonecrunching tackles that showed his fierce defensive intent.



“I’d hardly played any forward, but it’s opened a new door. I’m happy I did go forward that day (against Wesley), but I think I’m just pretty competitive and pretty confident when I go forward,” Lalor said.
A season of injuries has also helped Lalor improve his professionalism.
Lalor has managed to dominate both cricket and footy despite limited preparation thanks to his immense talent, so it wasn’t something that came naturally to him.
Selwood had his champion younger brother Joel to draw on.
Joel famously had a draft year of injury misfortune in 2006 before winning a premiership in his very first season at Geelong.
“We spoke a lot about Joel’s journey in relation to getting ready to be an AFL player well and truly before the national draft hits,” Selwood said.
“Just as things were unfolding for Sam, I was like, ‘hey mate, I want you to know as frustrating and as lonely as it feels right now, there have been boys in your situation’.
“Some have thrived like my younger brother did, and others went backwards and didn’t see the opportunities that were in front of them.
“Hopefully Sam was able to pick up some of that along the way – and I do I feel like he did and it’s helped him become, not only the best footballer he can be but the best leader, the best teammate.”

Joel Selwood in his draft year.

Lalor at the draft combine. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images
DUAL SPORTSMAN
Until he made the call to pursue footy, Lalor’s main sporting love was cricket.
Lalor represented Vic Country at under-17 level and played representative junior cricket with Northcote, where he hit 111 off 65 balls in one blistering knock.
He hit four half centuries from eight digs in the most recent APS season for Geelong Grammar, all of those at more than a run a ball.
“It used to be my true love until probably halfway through last year. I still love cricket and I would love to play again sometime soon, but I definitely love footy more,” Lalor said.
A powerful batter who can hit a big ball – he put one on the roof at Geelong Grammar one day – Lalor helped his school to back-to-back cricket premiership alongside another junior sporting star.
Lalor and U19 Cricket World Cup winner Ollie Peake wreaked havoc in their final game together ear, Lalor finishing with 79 from 54 as Peake made a lazy 154.

Geelong Grammar won the 2023/24 APS cricket premiership. Picture: Geelong Grammar
“It was pretty emotional, actually,” Lalor recalls.
“We were just out there just having a laugh, having a good time. That was so good.”
“Me and ‘Peakey’ have been mates for a while now and we’re really close friends, he’s one of my best mates.
“We’ve played cricket together and footy together, so to kind of ride this experience of hopefully ending up as professional athletes is pretty cool to have someone that close with me and my family as well, it’s pretty special.”
Peake, 18, is fresh off two centuries in India for Australia’s U19 side and he may well join Lalor on the MCG in the future.
“He’ll be out there on the MCG on Boxing Day pretty soon I reckon, he is a superstar” Lalor said.
Could Lalor make the switch to cricket in the future?
“If footy doesn’t work out I may have a go at the Big Bash or something, we’ll see how I go. I’m not sure I’m that good though,” Lalor joked.
ALL OVER THE PLACE
Coming from Bacchus Marsh, boarding in Geelong and playing in the elite talent pathway in Ballarat has had its challenges.
Selwood sat down with Lalor at one stage and worked out that he had around 40 people supporting him along his journey: people from his various football programs, family, close friends and more.
That’s a lot for one 18-year-old kid to take in
“It is pretty overwhelming and pretty hard to navigate all the programs that I’m in with the (AFL) Academy, Vic Country, Rebels, school,” Lalor said.
“And then finding time just to hang out with my friends and everything, so I think you’ve just got to find a couple people you can talk to so you don’t have too many voices sitting in the back of your head.”
For Lalor, those main voices were Selwood at Geelong Grammar, Rebels midfield coach Eamon Gill and Geelong Grammar physio Trav McComb.
A player with Brisbane and recruiter with Geelong in the past, Lalor has gained valuable experience from him.

Lalor celebrates a goal with Geelong Grammar. Picture: Alan Barber
“He’s been awesome for me, he’s got a wealth of knowledge, so I’m grateful,” Lalor said.
His boarding experience means he is ready for a move interstate — although that seems unlikely, with interest coming as early as Richmond who holds the very first pick.
“I’ve already moved away from home being at boarding school. But yeah, I’d love to go anywhere and I’ve got really no idea where it’s going to end up, so it’s going to take until the night I think,” Lalor said.
Lalor has spent most of the year sidelined or playing through injury, but if anything absence has made the heart grow fonder for clubs.
“I think they can see the potential and impact I have, it’s just probably just working on getting the ball more in my hands and probably the endurance side, the running. I think if I can get a base like that, then it’ll improve,” Lalor said.
“I think when I have the ball in my hands, I do something pretty special.”

Wouldn’t Geelong love him to go to a non-VIC team!

 

[THE_GUN]

The thing i thought of regarding the potential port trade was

Richmond know now who we want at pick 10 or 11 and we believe he will be available a bit later ( Hotton) and Port clearly have a player in mind that wont be available ( Travaglia )

To Richmond trade #10 . #11 to Port so they can take Travaglia to replace Houston
Eagles take Allan at #12
Richmond then select Hotton with #13

Whilst gaining the extra pick #39 to select

Dr Sam Davidson

 

[THE_GUN]

Not sure how a Carlton support in the know coming here telling us we are talking with port about 13, ended up with north and saints supporters coming to this board and explaining how they will end up with all our picks ?

C4 is one of the best for Richmond info that i remember from opposition supporters and is reputable
vlearly gets info and is happy to share without giving away too much to compromise anybody

 

[CotchNCo]

Watched Gettable and Jagga Smith has leadership written all over him. Rate that highly and defo a good head on his shoulders. I reckon Lalor and him would be a great combo.

 

[_RT_]

If Saints actually want to split pick 8, I wonder what they would accept. It's a tougher sell than 2 obviously.
18 and 23?
8 is an awkward pick but also could be an amazing pick as a Jagga or an Armstrong might be there.

If we got 8, our hand could be:
1, 6, 8, 10, 11, 20, 24
Or if we want pick 2
1, 2, 6, 10, 11, 20 (assuming we trade 8 and 24 for 2)

It opens up a lot of options.
I like the prospect of having 5 picks within 11.

Option 1 please

 

[_RT_]

The first scenario might happen but if that trade for 8 you mention goes through before the draft starts ,North will just trade pick 2 to the Saints for #7 & one of the picks we give them.

Let them do that, 1 6 8 10 11 is a great hand for us

 

[_RT_]

At this rate, by the time the draft comes around Jagga will slide to a SPP train on.

2025 MSD pick 1 after he goes to the VFL and dominates

 

[Groupie_]

today is the day

 

[daftmike]

It's one possible scenario. Don't make me make you sit in the dunces' corner with RT.

Imagine we end up with the equivalent of dusty deledio Cripps and daicos in one draft

 

[GoTigers2015]

The draft consensus ranking for October from rankings done by the AFL, ESPN, RMC, Herald Sun, The Age and Fox Footy.



This should give a good guide to where players are likely to fall in the ND.

 

[Wavvey]

Land on the camel ???

 

[energyquant]

Only way I see us giving Port 10 is something like:

Pick 10 to Port for 13 and 29
18 and 20 to St Kilda for 8
6 and 23 to Norf for 2 and F2

1, 2, 8, 11, 13, 24, 29.

Do we need the extra pick? The Port deal still makes no sense to me. Trading up the 2024 draft order is ok.

 

[blaisee]

The Carlton supporter you are referencing has runs on the board.
Carries a bit of weight which results in oppo supporters joining in the discussion.

Nothing wrong with it. We have no control over the picks, allow people to speculate. Doesn't matter what team they support.

thats why i said he was in the know

 

[richoplzbreed]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-how-essendon-plans-to-get-back-into-the-draft-after-isaac-kako-bid/news-story/1b3d1e5e66549855fa5b661fa02fd58b

I don't have access, this should be a target. Bombers have Dees F1 and with all their 9ff field dramas with Oliver and Petracca and Gawn soon turning 33 I can see them bottom 4 - 6. Every clubs desperate to get into this year's 1st round and with our monopoly on picks and rebuild mode this could be an absolute steal. Later picks like 20 or 23 in a bumper draft with limited trading partner options seems as fair ad a desperate club can hope for.

 

[TigerTime88]

Lalor, Smillie, Reid with our first three picks.

 

[cairo tiger]

Could be

Rich out 6/10
Rich in 2, F1, 29

Port out 13/29
Port in 10

North out 2, F1
North in 6/13

one word stupid

 

[captain cotch 9]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-how-essendon-plans-to-get-back-into-the-draft-after-isaac-kako-bid/news-story/1b3d1e5e66549855fa5b661fa02fd58b

I don't have access, this should be a target. Bombers have Dees F1 and with all their 9ff field dramas with Oliver and Petracca and Gawn soon turning 33 I can see them bottom 4 - 6. Every clubs desperate to get into this year's 1st round and with our monopoly on picks and rebuild mode this could be an absolute steal. Later picks like 20 or 23 in a bumper draft with limited trading partner options seems as fair ad a desperate club can hope for.

Essendon is weighing up a move to off-load Melbourne’s future first-round choice for a first-round pick in this year’s draft.
However the move will have to come after a bid for Essendon small forward and next generation academy prospect Isaac Kako.
It means if a bid comes around pick 10 for Kako, Essendon could trade Melbourne’s future first-round pick for something in the teens of this year’s draft.
The Bombers’ first pick is otherwise slated to be number 28, but Essendon will eagerly eye a jump into this year’s crop if a trade partner can be secured.

A pending bid on Isaac Kako will shape how Essendon manages the AFL draft. Picture: Sarah Reed/AFL Photos via Getty Images.
St Kilda has told clubs it is open to splitting one of its top-10 selections in this year’s draft as part of a strategy to capitalise on the depth in this year’s talent pool.
The Saints have picks seven and eight in this year’s draft and have indicated they could be interested in trading one of them for two picks later in the first round.
The two clubs best-placed to do a deal with the Saints are Richmond (which has 18, 20 and 23) and GWS Giants (15, 16 and 21).
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It means the Saints could take a top-line midfielder at pick seven and then snare two players in the back-end of the first-round with its Josh Battle compensation selection.
It would be a bold call from the Saints but recruiters are excited about the level of talent on offer through the back end of the first-round.
The move would effectively see the Saints take three players potentially inside the top-20 of a draft scouts are calling the strongest in several years.

St Kilda’s GM of football David Misson during the trade period. Picture: Josh Chadwick/AFL Photos via Getty Images.
St Kilda may also pull the trigger on draft night, depending on what players are available at pick seven and eight and what deals the Giants and Tigers are prepared to complete.
Richmond has picks 1, 6, 10, 11, 18, 20, 23 and 24 and are keen to swap some of the choices into next year’s draft pool to help diversify its draft assets.
That will allow the Tigers to balance its draft capital across two draft pools after losing four players in the trade period – Shai Bolton, Liam Baker, Jack Graham and Daniel Rioli.
Former Richmond national recruiting manager Matt Clarke has taken over the list management at West Coast and has come under extreme fire for swapping pick three to Carlton in the trade period.
The Eagles dealt pick three to Carlton for picks 12 and 14, giving the Blues a chance to land a star draft prospect including highly-rated midfielder Finn O’Sullivan.
Former West Coast great Peter Sumich said the deal for pick three was “the wrong move” and was adamant the Eagles gave up overs for ex-Tiger Liam Baker, saying “no way is he worth pick 14”.
“Pick three has been a gold nugget. Are we idiots?” Sumich said on WA radio 91.3FM.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Please keep in mind when watching highlights of players, they are in fact the best bits hence the word highlight!

Before you exclaim to the world Player XYZ is a must because I watched his highlights, consider what you have been watching.

 

[UpTheGutz]

Means nothing, Langford is a die hard tiger supporter.

And Jagga great mates with Smillie

Cotch was really tight with Kreuzer, then Dusty became his BFF

 

[Frank Grimes]

I’m of the opinion not to give up a precious x2 first rounder for 2.

Have a look at the craft of the draft mock and it has good rationale on how it will play out. It has the Dees taking Smillie before our pick 6 and were left with Jagga.
If we land him with 6 it’s the perfect testament on why we shouldn’t give up a further first round pick for 2.

The only thing I don’t agree with the Mock is taking Trainer and Travaglia with 10 & 11 and bypassing Armstrong who was available. Gets a bit murky at that point but there’s still plenty of quality available at that point.

From what I read is that Melbourne, Saints and us are interested in Armstrong.

It is highly unlikely he'll last to our pick 10,11. If he is though there is no chance we'll let him slip past those picks.

Unless we are seriously interested in a player that is left with our pick 6 I'd say we should consider picking him up here, or at least let the Saints know we are about to pick him up and see if they bite in doing a trade if they are very interested in him (eg their pick 7 and future 2nd for our pick six).

 

[stavro#4]

From what I read is that Melbourne, Saints and us are interested in Armstrong.

It is highly unlikely he'll last to our pick 10,11. If he is though there is no chance we'll let him slip past those picks.

Unless we are seriously interested in a player that is left with our pick 6 I'd say we should consider picking him up here, or at least let the Saints know we are about to pick him up and see if they bite in doing a trade if they are very interested in him (eg their pick 7 and future 2nd for our pick six).

Or we could swap you 8 for 10 and 24.

 

[Wrenny]

Or we could swap you 8 for 10 and 24.