List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

[KrispyKreme]

I don't mind Dodson but the worst type of investment in the draft is a pure ruck.

They take considerablely longer than any other position to be ready to play in the 1's & the majority of the time you're basically clogging a spot on the list for the next 5-6 drafts even if they show promise.

Rookie list or trade for a ready made ruck are always the better options.

Be better options than what we have though…. I mean Samson Ryan

 

[Barunga Bullet]

1. Sam Lalor (Richmond)​

GWV Rebels/Vic Country
Midfielder/forward, 188cm, 30/8/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 23 disposals, 6.3 clearances, 6 inside 50s
The Age’s August top 30: 5 October top 30: 1
Agility test: N/A 20m sprint: N/A 2km time trial: N/A
There is only one Dustin Martin, but the Tigers could anoint a teenager with many of the same characteristics as the triple Norm Smith medallist with this year’s No.1 pick. Recruiting sources believe Richmond are deciding between Lalor and Finn O’Sullivan, with Jagga Smith another possibility. Lalor, who was also a talented cricketer before focusing on football, was unable to put his best foot forward in 2024 because of a series of injuries, but the consensus is he will thrive, and improve his running, once he is in an AFL system. He is powerful, skilful, tough, equally impactful as a midfielder and forward, and overflowing with tantalising upside.

7. Josh Smillie (Richmond)​

Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
Midfielder, 195cm, 17/5/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 25.5 disposals, 11.3 contested possessions, 4.8 clearances
The Age’s August top 30: 4 October top 30: 8
Agility test: 8.391 secs 20m sprint: 3.09 secs 2km time trial: 6:38 mins
Smillie was once a pick one contender, but an up-and-down season left him a polarising prospect. His physical traits and playing style as a midfielder provoke comparisons to Carlton’s dual Brownlow medallist Patrick Cripps. Smillie’s admirers rave about his stoppage work and how he can hang tough in a tackle before finding a teammate by hand, while he has also proven he can step up in crunch moments. Tigers list manager Blair Hartley and performance boss Tim Livingstone both have links to Smillie’s junior club Park Orchards. Whether that connection is being overblown will soon be known. Richmond could take a key forward here instead.

13. Tobie Travaglia (Richmond)​

Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
Defender/midfielder, 187cm, 26/10/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 23.6 disposals, 11.6 contested possessions, 6.4 tackles
The Age’s August top 30: 13 October top 30: 12
Agility test: 8.261 secs 20m sprint: 3.19 secs 2km time trial: 6:13 mins
This might be too low for a player who is universally loved by recruiters and improved in leaps and bounds this year. Melbourne could even take him at the previous pick. There are talent scouts who rate Travaglia inside the top 10, but he is typically considered to be narrowly outside that company. Only Sydney academy prospect Joel Cochran ran a quicker 2km time trial at the combine. That endurance makes him an early candidate to fill a wing or play off half-back, but there is confidence he could develop into an inside midfielder. Travaglia is highly competitive, hates being beaten, dependable and one of the safer picks in the first round.

14. Jobe Shanahan (Richmond)​

Bendigo Pioneers/Allies
Tall forward, 195cm, 2/8/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 12.9 disposals, 8.5 contested possessions, 2.1 goals
The Age’s August top 30: 21 October top 30: 17
Agility test: 8.77 secs 20m sprint: 3.1 secs 2km time trial: 6:39 mins

Shanahan just kept getting it done this year, from the Talent League to the under-18 championships then in the VFL for Essendon, where he kicked 11 goals in three appearances. He is an endurance athlete, an excellent field and set-shot kick, constantly presents in the right areas (including being a smart judge of aerial balls) and makes good decisions. Many recruiters believe there is little between Shanahan and Harry Armstrong, and the former has the added appeal of proving he can play at the other end of the ground.

21. Luke Trainor (Richmond)​

Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
Tall defender, 194cm, 10/4/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 19.8 disposals, 2.4 intercept marks, 6 intercept possessions
The Age’s August top 30: 7 October top 30: 14
Agility test: N/A 20m sprint: N/A 2km time trial: N/A
Trainor was once considered a potential top-five pick after a fast start to the season, but fellow intercept defender Alix Tauru went up, whereas he has tumbled, including not being invited to the first night of the draft. Recruiters would have liked to see him play on an opponent more and believe he can be shaky deep in defence, while there are also concerns about his concussions. But it is easy to forget all the positives Trainor would bring to an AFL team, from his strong hands to his aggressive kicking out of defence and ability to play at both ends.

24. Jasper Alger (Richmond)​

Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Country
Forward, 183cm, 17/12/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 10.8 disposals, 2.7 tackles, 1.3 goals
The Age’s August top 30: N/A October top 30: N/A
Agility test: 8.141 secs 20m sprint: 2.931 secs 2km time trial: 6:28 mins
The newest draft bolter, and could even sneak inside the top 20. The Giants, Tigers and maybe even the Dogs could fight it out for him. Alger tested very well at the national combine and is a good athlete who performs well aerially for his height and in one-on-one situations. The zippy small forward from Warragul makes quick and smart decisions under pressure, presents well and with a purpose on the lead, and is typically a sound set shot. Alger has played various roles, but his future looks to be in attack.

27. Alex Dodson (Richmond)​

Sturt/South Australia
Ruckman, 201cm, 15/6/2006
SANFL U18 stats (avg): 20.8 disposals, 12 contested possessions, 7.4 hit-outs-to-advantage
The Age’s August top 30: 20 October top 30: 24
Agility test: 9.08 secs 20m sprint: 3.25 secs 2km time trial: 7:06 mins
The first ruckman drafted is certain to be Dodson, a basketball convert who represented Australia at underage level and could have accepted a development spot with NBL club Adelaide 36ers. Now fully invested in becoming an AFL footballer, the teenager has great upside and plays like an extra midfielder once the ball hits the ground, but recruiters would like to see his marking develop. Most recruiters expect the Tigers to take the plunge on Dodson.

28. Cooper Hynes (Richmond)​

Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Metro
Midfielder/forward, 190cm, 28/2/2006
Talent League stats (avg): 23.7 disposals, 4.7 clearances, 1.5 goals
The Age’s August top 30: N/A October top 30: 27
Agility test: N/A 20m sprint: N/A 2km time trial: N/A

This might be far too low for Hynes, who could go as high as Melbourne’s second pick, with West Coast and Port Adelaide among his admirers. The common retort about the powerful Stingrays product is that he has the widest draft range of any player. Formed a great one-two punch with Harvey Langford, and they often switched between the forward line and midfield. There are some lofty AFL comparisons for him, from Cam Zurhaar to even Clayton Oliver. Hynes’ endurance needs to improve, but his forward and clearance craft are rated highly.

Id be stoked to get Alger. Distant relo

 

[tiger_tough]

Rucks are overrated, all you need in a ruck is to be tall and be able to compete. I wouldn't be drafting a pure ruck with any of our picks as they stand, far too early. We have 4 1st ruck types on the list already, whether you rate them or not, we have 4 on the list. You can't carry 5 1st rucks on the list.

You can always pick them up for cheap every trade period anyway, if we need one down the track....

 

[Oldmanuncle]

Be better options than what we have though…. I mean Samson Ryan

My point exactly, pick 40 in the ND 4 years ago and still a question mark player purely because he's only entering the age bracket for ruckmen now.

 

[KrispyKreme]

My point exactly, pick 40 in the ND 4 years ago and still a question mark player purely because he's only entering the age bracket for ruckmen now.

Tristan Xerri took 3 years or so.

 

[energyquant]

Looking at some of these mock drafts, picks 10 and 11 are probably going to attract some hefty bids.

Depending on who is available, I'd be tempted by any of these:

• West Coast pick 12 + F2
• North Melbourne F1 + F2
• Gold Coast F1 + Collingwood F1 (both held by Gold Coast)

 

[Dr Tigris]

I don't mind Dodson but the worst type of investment in the draft is a pure ruck.

They take considerablely longer than any other position to be ready to play in the 1's & the majority of the time you're basically clogging a spot on the list for the next 5-6 drafts even if they show promise.

Rookie list or trade for a ready made ruck are always the better options.

Yes and no. In general early pick rucks are hit and miss. Trading in rucks typically gets you a good B grade ruck - Nank if you are lucky (very good B grade ruck).

But if you can get a good to very good ruck for very cheap (pick 25+) then you can have an essential part of a contending team for a long time cheaply and easily.

If Dodson is at least a B grade tap ruck, and can be a B grade mid we have a powerful part of any future premiership team.

Put another way, if no one invested in rucks (as you suggest) then you have no rucks. Rucks are important to be competitive. Tap rucks rarely are vital to winning - because other tall guys can usually neutralise a good tap ruck, and mids can rove to a losing ruck.

So it is how much it costs you to get a good ruck. Picks after 25 are fine by me as an investment. The key is what our recruitment team think is best. I'm happy with Dodson. I'm also happy with someone else. Or with a trade for a F1.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Rucks are overrated, all you need in a ruck is to be tall and be able to compete. I wouldn't be drafting a pure ruck with any of our picks as they stand, far too early. We have 4 1st ruck types on the list already, whether you rate them or not, we have 4 on the list. You can't carry 5 1st rucks on the list.

You can always pick them up for cheap every trade period anyway, if we need one down the track....

See my other post. But if you get a ruck who is good enough as a tap ruck, but is a good AFL mid then you win. That is what Dodson potentially offers. I'm not sold on him. But he makes sense to me.

Otherwise trade in or pick later - unless they are super elite. And here are very few super elite young rucks - very very few.

 

[Lacustrus]

My point exactly, pick 40 in the ND 4 years ago and still a question mark player purely because he's only entering the age bracket for ruckmen now.

Old mate Sampson was never in the same class as this kid. Could be a gun.

 

[Oldmanuncle]

Rather try and get Knobel from Freo than invest in a pure ruck from the draft.

Wouldn't be against that.
Still only a 20yo, getting guys like him that have some of their developement elsewhere through the rookie draft is a better option than the ND .

 

[tiger_tough]

See my other post. But if you get a ruck who is good enough as a tap ruck, but is a good AFL mid then you win. That is what Dodson potentially offers. I'm not sold on him. But he makes sense to me.

Otherwise trade in or pick later - unless they are super elite. And here are very few super elite young rucks - very very few.

Yeah they're rare as hens teeth though. Not worth risking a late 1st/early 2ns round pick on for us atm.

We got Nank for a 3rd rounder. Hawks got Meek for peanuts. Shit, Swans and Dees even got Grundy for bugger all. Darcy Cameron at the Pies, Witts etc. etc.

You don't use early picks on ruckman (unless they're a legit KPF/ruck) IMO.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Yeah they're rare as hens teeth though. Not worth risking a late 1st/early 2ns round pick on for us atm.

We got Nank for a 3rd rounder. Hawks got Meek for peanuts. Shit, Swans and Dees even got Grundy for bugger all. Darcy Cameron at the Pies, Witts etc. etc.

You don't use early picks on ruckman (unless they're a legit KPF/ruck) IMO.

Like I said, I'm happy for the draft team to make a choice. If he is really a likely B grade AFL mid, and cna ruck, then I'm happy. If there are better choices I'm happy.

Sometimes at that pick range you can find a star (Shai), but usually not. Although this year's first round apparently extends to about pick 35. So pick 27 might be more comparable to pick 18ish in a normal year.

 

[Oldmanuncle]

Tristan Xerri took 3 years or so.

What pick did he go at?

 

[tiger_tough]

Tristan Xerri took 3 years or so.

Xerri took 7 years.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Tigers fans, I come in peace

In a hypothetical scenario if Port offered 13 and 29 for 20,23 and 24, is that a deal that you would consider?

No!

We'll take Bergman as payment for coming on our Board. If you do it again we'll take Butters also

 

[Bojangles17]

Just watched a few vid's on James Barrat. He won the Pioneers best and fairest. He is 194cm but played midfield/forward in some games, kicked 22 goals in 13 games in the Coates League before going back and being named Rookie Me team of the year at Full back. This on top of missing his entire 2023 season.

Okay he looks and moves a bit like Rance, so maybe that got him the gig, but he seems to have some sort of upside. Looks a good pic around our 23 mark. Any one know more?

Why he miss 23 season

 

[Bojangles17]

Reckon we take 7 players in draft
Sam lalor
Finn O’Sullivan
Josh smillie
Xavier lynsday
Taj hotton
Tom simms
Noah mraz

Reckon there’d have to be an extra kpp in there

 

[Bojangles17]

Honestly this thread is so shit, thank god for me.

You heard anything up there mozz

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Ok hear me out.

As it stands we hold 1/3 of the picks in the first 24. So how do we cash in and get the best value?

Well let's look at the rumours

• North wants to split pick 2 to get at least 2 picks in R1.
• Saints looking to split pick 8 for multiple 1s.
• Port interested in getting 10 off us as part of a multi team deal with 13 involved.
• GWS possibly involved in the multi team trade and have 15 16 & 21 to deal with.

So here's my plan

FOOK EM ALL

Hold all our picks until the night of the draft and let North come to us when pick 2 is on the clock, desperately looking to trade and get pick 2, their F1 & F2 in 2025 to get pick 11 & 23. Take it or leave it.

Then, when the Saints are on the clock at pick 8 and are looking to trade the deal is pick 8 & 32 for 18 & 20

Now that we've got pick 8 we call GWS and tell them 10 & 24 is on the table for 15 16 & 37.

Essendon having matched a bid for Kako are looking at getting back into the draft and with Melbourne a good chance of fighting us for the spoon as they implode we want the Dees 2025 R1 for 16

Final draft hand is:
1 2 6 8 15 32 & 37 in 2024
1. Lalor
2. FOS
6. Smillie
8. Reid
15. Best Available KPP
32. Best Available KPP/Ruck
37. Davidson
Spot open for SSP

2025:
Our 1st & 2nd
Norths F1 & F2
Dees F1

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I'm glad your Blair and not FJ.

 

[KrispyKreme]

What pick did he go at?

40+ I think

Xerri took 7 years.

Played in 2020 managed 25+ games over 2/3 years
Then exploded in 2024
But he has size which dumb dumb Samson doesnt

 

[DontArgue4]

Rucks are overrated, all you need in a ruck is to be tall and be able to compete. I wouldn't be drafting a pure ruck with any of our picks as they stand, far too early. We have 4 1st ruck types on the list already, whether you rate them or not, we have 4 on the list. You can't carry 5 1st rucks on the list.

You can always pick them up for cheap every trade period anyway, if we need one down the track....

Lions just shit the flag in with Darcy fken Fort as their ruck in the granny

an "A grade" ruck is the most overrated thing in footy

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

So I’m not the only one who is pissed about handing the Lions too much for pick 20. We got bent over. We gave Brisbane the biggest points gain ever in the draft. I know I’m going to hear points don’t count bullshite but in this case they do.

If Richmond had not given Brisbane so many points, then to get Ashcroft they would have had to go into 2025 deficit. This would have left them with no points for Marshall and he’d have become available. The kid will be an absolute gun.

I keep hearing what a top negotiator Blair is but I also think we got unders for Bolton. Rioli and Baker were wins.

32 for 20
End of the day.

 

[KrispyKreme]

May as well just be a doctor no point playing afl. I’m getting sick of kids playing the whole CTE game even though they chose to make AFL their career.

 

[tiger_tough]

40+ I think

Played in 2020 managed 25+ games over 2/3 years
Then exploded in 2024
But he has size which dumb dumb Samson doesnt

He was pick 72. A great selection by Norf.

Yeah he was average AF until his 7th year. Even requested a trade out of North a couple years ago.

 

[KrispyKreme]

Lions just shit the flag in with Darcy fken Fort as their ruck in the granny

an "A grade" ruck is the most overrated thing in footy

Who cares just get the Kayla Gerryn kid. He’s a large midfielder/ruck/fwd