List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

Pick 1

  • Finn O'Sullivan

  • Sam Lalor

  • Jagga Smith


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I don't think we can rebuild a premiership side around a pick 42 and a pick 16 in the rookie draft. Only an idiot would think we've got enough to work with in our tall forwards with what's on the list
Nick Larkey was pick 73 in 2016 and Josh Treacy was pick 7 in the 2021 rookie draft. Two pretty handy kpf. Let’s not dump Fawcett and Bauer just because they were late picks.
 

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Nick Larkey was pick 73 in 2016 and Josh Treacy was pick 7 in the 2021 rookie draft. Two pretty handy kpf. Let’s not dump Fawcett and Bauer just because they were late picks.

No-ones dumping on them, everyone is saying that if it’s down to probability it’s highly unlikely there’s guys will get through 50 games let alone 100.
We all hope they do and develop into solid AFL standard KPFs but when you go by our past it’s not that likely.

How many KPFs have we seen come and go that we’ve drafted since 2000?
Not many have played 100 games +
 
This would be my dream come true.

1 - Lalor
6 - Draper
10 - Armstrong
11 - M Reid

This would sort out some major issues on our list in one hit where they all can compliment each other’s strengths.

If the Crows bypass Draper I reckon that would cut the chances of him even wanting to go back to the crows if he takes it personally.
Being overlooked by the Crows will light a fire in his belly and the SA skipper will be raring to go from day 1.

Plenty of inside midfielders available at 18-24 as well as some KPP but we insert some absolute class with these picks and a touch of hardness with Draper and Lalor not afraid to crack in.
If that was our first four picks then we’ve absolutely killed it. One small forward or outside runner Berry, Hannaford type also and then slide and trade our way into 2025. Obviously we’d pick up another player later as well. Possibly a player like Jack Ough. I would also consider Dodson. I know lots of posters don’t want a ruck pick but Dodson has an amazing possession rate for a young ruck.
 
No-ones dumping on them, everyone is saying that if it’s down to probability it’s highly unlikely there’s guys will get through 50 games let alone 100.
We all hope they do and develop into solid AFL standard KPFs but when you go by our past it’s not that likely.

How many KPFs have we seen come and go that we’ve drafted since 2000?
Not many have played 100 games +
We have picked Jack and Richo in the last 30 years, and Richo was a father/son. I wouldn’t be relying on our record with the high selections we have had over that time. I would be trying every option because it appears to be a low probability of finding a really good kpf no matter what pick we have.
 
I am very impressed that this thread is 7593 posts and counting of hot air piss and vinegar.

Please let the draft come and be done so we can move to the 15000 post thread of why did we get x at pick y and what a spud and the slider at pick 68 who is the next Brownlow medallist and why didnt we pick them


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To just show how hard it is to develop a key forward. Here are our notable drafted KPF’s since 2000. Very damning how hard it is to get to 50 games let alone 100. We are so lucky we had a gem in Jack or we could’ve been in some strife.

2002 - Jay Shultz. Was a success at Port but never had consistency at Richmond and struggled playing alongside Richo.
71 games for Richmond 58 goals. Best season was 16 goals in 12 games.

2004 - Adam Pattison. 61 games

2005 - Cleve Hughes 16 games

2006 - pick 13. Jack - club champion, we don’t need to go any further to know we nailed this one.

2008 - pick 8. Vickery. 119 games. 158 goals. Best return season of 36 goals from 22 games in his third season.

Pick 26. Jayden Post 30 games

2009 - pick 19 Griffiths. 63 games, 42 goals

2011 - pick 26 Elton. 10 games.

2012 - pick 33. McBean 5 games.

2015 - pick 30 rookie draft. Chol 31 games for Richmond, 24 goals.

2017 - pick 20. CCJ. 9 games for Richmond for 11 goals.

Pick 25. Balta (do we call him a fwd?) 104 games for 37 goals. We did very well out of this pick.

2020 - pick 40. Samson Ryan 23 games for 15 goals
 
I don’t understand why you’d even give it any credibility given one day we love FOS and a week later we have serious problem with his attitude?
Possible they've got reports back from phpsychologist that were sitting in on interviews
 

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Nick Larkey was pick 73 in 2016 and Josh Treacy was pick 7 in the 2021 rookie draft. Two pretty handy kpf. Let’s not dump Fawcett and Bauer just because they were late picks.
huge question marks over both these payers durability. Fawcett sick all year & Bauer is very injury prone. Qn marks over Lynch's ability after 2 horrendous seasons for him and the club.
Qn marks over Gibcus, Lefau post injury & over Ryan & Kosi's form.

we spooned. Got the draft hand to bring in a tall fwd & a ruck.
 
No sense banging on about it, but I think we're all in agreement that our speculative picks in Fawcett & Gray should have been a couple of years earlier (whoever those equivalent available players were) when we could all see the end approaching for JR and Lynch not too far behind him.
We would now know whether they are up to it or not.

To be fair, was CCJ that earlier speculative KPF? Biggie Nyuon? Was it worth overpaying Chol to stay instead of bargain pick-up Kozi?
 
To just show how hard it is to develop a key forward. Here are our notable drafted KPF’s since 2000. Very damning how hard it is to get to 50 games let alone 100. We are so lucky we had a gem in Jack or we could’ve been in some strife.

2002 - Jay Shultz. Was a success at Port but never had consistency at Richmond and struggled playing alongside Richo.
71 games for Richmond 58 goals. Best season was 16 goals in 12 games.

2004 - Adam Pattison. 61 games

2005 - Cleve Hughes 16 games

2006 - pick 13. Jack - club champion, we don’t need to go any further to know we nailed this one.

2008 - pick 8. Vickery. 119 games. 158 goals. Best return season of 36 goals from 22 games in his third season.

Pick 26. Jayden Post 30 games

2009 - pick 19 Griffiths. 63 games, 42 goals

2011 - pick 26 Elton. 10 games.

2012 - pick 33. McBean 5 games.

2015 - pick 30 rookie draft. Chol 31 games for Richmond, 24 goals.

2017 - pick 20. CCJ. 9 games for Richmond for 11 goals.

Pick 25. Balta (do we call him a fwd?) 104 games for 37 goals. We did very well out of this pick.

2020 - pick 40. Samson Ryan 23 games for 15 goals
The FA KPF delivered a flag or 2, but now getting paid $ 1.5m to play 4 games last 2 years and delivered a spoon. The team has been hopeless without Lynch.

I like the idea of young Cadman but no guarantee he improves us any more than a draftee this year.

Use a pick on a KPF.
 
Possible they've got reports back from phpsychologist that were sitting in on interviews

So despite no whispers of character or attitude problems all year, rando on the internet who contradicts himself in two bits of mail shouldn’t be dismissed?

I wonder if you’d give the mail any consideration if he’d said the same thing about Jagga?

Maybe you are that gullible though, and maybe you should get along to richoatthedisco poker night and just enjoy yourself.
 
The FA KPF delivered a flag or 2, but now getting paid $ 1.5m to play 4 games last 2 years and delivered a spoon. The team has been hopeless without Lynch.

I like the idea of young Cadman but no guarantee he improves us any more than a draftee this year.

Use a pick on a KPF.
1 or 2 picks on Key Position players is fine. The issue is with mock drafts that have us taking 4+ talls
 
No sense banging on about it, but I think we're all in agreement that our speculative picks in Fawcett & Gray should have been a couple of years earlier (whoever those equivalent available players were) when we could all see the end approaching for JR and Lynch not too far behind him.
We would now know whether they are up to it or not.

To be fair, was CCJ that earlier speculative KPF? Biggie Nyuon? Was it worth overpaying Chol to stay instead of bargain pick-up Kozi?
CCJ was a pick 20, just started to show a bit in 21. Jack R & Lynch KPFs and Nank No 1 ruck. North threw $2 mill/4 years at him we couldn't match. Chol was forced to play ruck at punt road. Suns & Hawks play him KPF, where he thrives. Again Bolton, Dusty & Lynch on $millions meant we couldn't match offers.
It wasn't until 2023 that we would've needed CJ or Chol.
 
So despite no whispers of character or attitude problems all year, rando on the internet who contradicts himself in two bits of mail shouldn’t be dismissed?

I wonder if you’d give the mail any consideration if he’d said the same thing about Jagga?

Maybe you are that gullible though, and maybe you should get along to richoatthedisco poker night and just enjoy yourself.

FFS, I said I'm not believing or dismissing it, just taking it for what it is, which is gossip on a forum.

You asked why the change from previous opinions and I gave a reason as to why they may have changed, never said they have changed or will change, yet your reaction would suggest otherwise.
 

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