List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

[Wooden Robot]

cool, you asked why, and I told you why

Know for a fact that St Kilda are heavy into Travaglia, so would be no surprise to see them use their pick 8, whenever it falls, on him.

 

[db26]

the knocks on Allan are his kicking and his lowish possession rate.
I reckon neither is a major concern.
Occasionally he blazes away by foot, but I reckon that’s easily fixed in an AFL system.
His numbers can be on the low side, but he doesn’t get many cheapies, does all the hard defensive, team orientated stuff, which is one of the reasons he’s rated so highly.
Having a guy his size, with his aggression, busting open stoppages, is just as important imo as someone running behind packs racking up cheap stats.

Prefer Murphy Reid

 

[Infamy]

I genuinely would not be against us taking Draper at 1 or trading up to take him at 2.

I hadn't looked much into him till the last few nights, he is seriously impressive.

Could almost argue the pick of the trio when comparing Lalor / FOS / Draper.

Was previously gravitating towards the idea of keeping our picks instead of trading up, but it would be seriously good to get Draper at 2. Lalor as that inside beast who can kick goals, and then Draper with his pace and agility who also goes in hard. Won’t happen, but it would be pretty great. We need faster midfielders. Hopefully whatever we do works out though

I tend to agree, I think I missed Draper when reviewing videos the first time (probably thought we weren't a chance to get him), but having gone back to watch him the other day, if we're trading up for Pick 2, then he's the one I'd be going up to get. I still want Lalor at 1, and understand why we don't want to give up 6 to trade up to 2, but I think he has a point of difference over the others we are looking at.

I really hope we are not into Allan

Has way too much RCD vibes

Doesn't get the ball enough

And when he does, he butchers it, hard pass
We need to target elite kicks in this draft, so that rules out a few like Allan (& Hotton) for me

 

[Jedwards]

Remembering Mcauliffe has a lethal left foot, Lalor has the same weapon on the right side! Those two could form a solid combo. The class of FOS or Jagga and even M.Reid/Lindsey would fit perfectly next to those two.

Another taller defensive type mid and that’s a solid midfield group.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Pick 1 Highlights

Full Season Sam Lalor highlights .... Not sure if this was posted

It was
But I hadn’t watched it again today so it’s appreciated

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Prefer Murphy Reid

Good player
All I’m saying is having a player like Allan in our midfield would be an asset. We don’t have a lot of two way runners, who crash packs, create opportunities for teammates at stoppages.
You need a mix of midfielders.
Also he’s a great leader, future captain. We need to identify our next generation of leaders

 

[TigerTime88]

Remembering Mcauliffe has a lethal left foot, Lalor has the same weapon on the right side! Those two could form a solid combo. The class of FOS or Jagga and even M.Reid/Lindsey would fit perfectly next to those two.

Another taller defensive type mid and that’s a solid midfield group.

Big year for Macauliffe. Going to be a lot of highly touted low pick mids coming through the door the next few years. Once you're drafted the pick is just a number yada yada, but the club will be no doubt looking to recoup the investments.

If he can have a big year and solidify himself as an AFL mid then he will almost be the leader of that midfield. Think he has the tools now we just need to see it at AFL leve.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Had a go at it. Just what my gut says will happen.

North trade 2 + F2 + F3 to Adelaide for 4 and F1 + F4
Richmond trade 11 to Port for 13 + 29
Richmond trade 23 to St Kilda for F1
Richmond trade 24 to Essendon for F1

1. Lalor - Richmond
2. Draper - Adelaide
3. Ashcroft - Brisbane
4. Smith - Blues
5. Tauru - North
6. Langford - Melbourne
7. FOS - Richmond
8. Smillie - Saints
9. Lombard - Suns
10. Armstrong - Saints
11. Reid - Melbourne
12. Kako - Essendon
13. Lindsay - Richmond
14. Travaglia - Port
15. Allan - West Coast
16. Hotton - Richmond
17. Shanahan - Fremantle
18. Berry - GWS
19. Marshall - Brisbane
20. Oliver - GWS
21. Hynes - Dogs
22. J.Whitlock - Richmond
23. M.Whitlock - Sydney
24. Gerreyn - Richmond
25. Faull - GWS
26. Dattoli - Sydney
27. Dodson - Saints
28. Trainor - Essendon
29. Gross - Dogs
30. Davis - West Coast
31. Hannaford - Richmond

Lalor, FOS, Lindsay, Hotton, J.Whitlock, Gerreyn, Hannaford

4 mid/fwds, 1 mid/wing, 1 fwd/ruck, 1 ruck/fwd
Two 2025 F1s

Had to reach for Gerreyn to get him before GWS / West Coast / St Kilda. Dogs a chance to snipe Hannaford at 29, but I feel their midfield needs more help now with Smith and Macrae leaving.

My Favourite so far, great job even if a little optimistic.

 

[energyquant]

I'd be very very happy with any of Jagga, Draper or Smillie at pick 6.

If we're going to "bust' on pick 1, it has to be for a forward-mid like Lalor. Worst case scenario, he becomes Cam Rayner.

 

[sanaya]

If it’s true that the likely top pick next year is a big bodied midfielder, then if Smilje and Jagga are both there at 6, surely we pick Jagga?

I believe an agile and ‘smaller’ midfielder is an important part of the midfield mix.

if you believe that, why are you saying we'd surely pick jagga over smillie?


smillie tested better in agility:

jagga - 8.484
smillie - 8.391

and their 20m sprint times were

jagga - 3.038
smillie - 3.090


if you really believe a smaller and more agile midfielder is important, you should be championing for hotton

agility - 7.807
20m - 2.882
running vert - 93cm

those were his preseason testing numbers, which if he replicated them, not even improving on them, at the national combine he'd have been

agility - 1st
20m - 3rd
running vert - 2nd

 

[Danog]

My Favourite so far, great job even if a little optimistic.

Feel like FOS is the only optimistic part, but the reality is someone out of FOS, Smillie, Smith, Draper, Langford will be there; Smillie most likely, which is still totally fine.

 

[bigstyletiger]

Competitors are great, but if he is average speed with poor foot skills then it's an avoid for mine.

Xavier Lindsay and Murphy Reid are two I would love to get at 10-11.

He looks like he plays quick.

 

[Danog]

if you believe that, why are you saying we'd surely pick jagga over smillie?


smillie tested better in agility:

jagga - 8.484
smillie - 8.391

and their 20m sprint times were

jagga - 3.038
smillie - 3.090


if you really believe a smaller and more agile midfielder is important, you should be championing for hotton

agility - 7.807
20m - 2.882
running vert - 93cm

those were his preseason testing numbers, which if he replicated them, not even improving on them, at the national combine he'd have been

agility - 1st
20m - 3rd
running vert - 2nd

I don't really rate the combine's agility test. It looks very little like what you'd see on a footy field. Jagga's strengths aren't truly picked up by it.

 

[sanaya]

I don't really rate the combine's agility test. It looks very little like what you'd see on a footy field. Jagga's strengths aren't truly picked up by it.

i agree but for a smaller mid he got outdone by almost every mid plus tauru, armstrong, faull, etc, the only people he didn't beat were slow kpfs/rucks & gross, oh and langford (from the top 30 that there's numbers from)


i'm just using one bit of 'evidence' as i don't believe smillie is that much of a detriment to a midfield mix that we HAVE to pick jagga over smillie

 

[Ancient Tiger]

A couple of points.

Players are drafted for their perceived output in 4 to 6 years.

Jagga completed school last year and has concentrated on footy all year. He has trained all year. That shows dedication but also elevates his output compared to his rivals.

Lalor hardly trained. I think he had one training session prior to starting the season because he kept in cricket for 120 overs straight which led to groin issues.

FOS entered the season as clear number one but broke a finger first game and then a thumb on his return leading to an interrupted year. He then copped a severe calf corkie in the first quarter of his VFL game with us and refused to come off and played in the forward line, kicking 2 goals. He hasn’t had more than 20 possessions in any game this year. First game in last year’s championships, he had 32 possessions, so he can get the ball.

Nobody this year is a standout.

Draper has played with men and has great numbers but his kicking is not elite which is tough to carry as a potential number one pick. He has speed to burn though.

Our recruiting staff have some really tough decisions.

 

[kuncandellaway]

the knocks on Allan are his kicking and his lowish possession rate.
I reckon neither is a major concern.
Occasionally he blazes away by foot, but I reckon that’s easily fixed in an AFL system.
His numbers can be on the low side, but he doesn’t get many cheapies, does all the hard defensive, team orientated stuff, which is one of the reasons he’s rated so highly.
Having a guy his size, with his aggression, busting open stoppages, is just as important imo as someone running behind packs racking up cheap stats.

100% - we need leaders with a win at all costs attitude (a la langford/jagga/hynes).
Plus Allan's an elite athlete (tested well at the combine) who's proven he can play against men (had some big moments in the prelim and granny for Peel). I don't think he'll be a midfielder at afl level but he'll be an elite hb flanker or winger, imo.
Fingers crossed we get him at 10 or 11. He'll win over the skeptics in no time.

I will say the one peeve of mine with Allan is that he's absolutely horrible on his non preferred foot..although that's the case with many successful afl players

 

[THE_GUN]

Allan can play as a good medium defender. So he’s unlikely to be a total bust. He’d be a hard to stop on the run.


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I would hate to invest a pick 10/11 on a player that might become a good medium defender (maybe)

genuine quality mid or KPF at these selections

 

[austyn08]

if you believe that, why are you saying we'd surely pick jagga over smillie?


smillie tested better in agility:

jagga - 8.484
smillie - 8.391

and their 20m sprint times were

jagga - 3.038
smillie - 3.090


if you really believe a smaller and more agile midfielder is important, you should be championing for hotton

agility - 7.807
20m - 2.882
running vert - 93cm

those were his preseason testing numbers, which if he replicated them, not even improving on them, at the national combine he'd have been

agility - 1st
20m - 3rd
running vert - 2nd

agility hey ......they couldn't test Jagga's elite step out of trouble stat?

 

[THE_GUN]

Allan’s strength was RCD’s weakness. And that is physicality. Gotta remember he was a 17 year old playing in the senior WAFL getting those numbers and competing, give him a pre-season in a pro system.

I think he would be a great addition next to Broad and Vlastuin early days, developing next to them would turn him into a beast! Would play most games next year if we get him imo. Vlastuin was pick 9 and a pick 9 well spent. Allan could be long term replacement with plenty of time to develop under him and Broad.

RCD weakness was never strength !! It was he just couldnt find enough of the ball inside & Outside
Exactly what appears to be Allan's issue but agree he is younger

 

[kuncandellaway]

A couple of points.

Players are drafted for their perceived output in 4 to 6 years.

Jagga completed school last year and has concentrated on footy all year. He has trained all year. That shows dedication but also elevates his output compared to his rivals.

Lalor hardly trained. I think he had one training session prior to starting the season because he kept in cricket for 120 overs straight which led to groin issues.

FOS entered the season as clear number one but broke a finger first game and then a thumb on his return leading to an interrupted year. He then copped a severe calf corkie in the first quarter of his VFL game with us and refused to come off and played in the forward line, kicking 2 goals. He hasn’t had more than 20 possessions in any game this year. First game in last year’s championships, he had 32 possessions, so he can get the ball.

Nobody this year is a standout.

Draper has played with men and has great numbers but his kicking is not elite which is tough to carry as a potential number one pick. He has speed to burn though.

Our recruiting staff have some really tough decisions.

I reckon Jagga still has a lot of physical development in him too.

So much potential upside with Lalor but jeez his soft tissue history is a concern when outlaying pick 1.

Tough decisions indeed - in Blair and f.j i trust.

..speaking of Blair I wonder if he'll doff his hat to a fallen comrade by picking all Toce's favourite players

 

[DontArgue4]

How can anyone watch the Lalor highlights and still say he isnt the #1 pick?

strength, skill, speed, aggression

has it all

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I would hate to invest a pick 10/11 on a player that might become a good medium defender (maybe)

genuine quality mid or KPF at these selections

So Vlastuin at pick 9 was an error?

 

[Morro]

How can anyone watch the Lalor highlights and still say he isnt the #1 pick?

strength, skill, speed, aggression

has it all

Very rare to see an attacking weapon like this at 18 year of age who is also elite defensively. In fact thrives off it.

Literally just needs an elite tank to have it all.

 

[TigerTime88]

How can anyone watch the Lalor highlights and still say he isnt the #1 pick?

strength, skill, speed, aggression

has it all

Agree. Think his low end is Cam Rayner and high end a Petracca type.

Sounds like the only real knocks are endurance running and soft tissue. The running can be fixed and the soft tissue is the risk.

 

[DontArgue4]

Very rare to see an attacking weapon like this at 18 year of age who is also elite defensively. In fact thrives off it.

Literally just needs an elite tank to have it all.

the tank is only because of injury also, barely trained and had no pre season

give him a few years pre-seasons and watch him become an absolute weapon