List Mgmt. 2024 Draft Thread

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Priorities for me:
  1. Inside/outside mid with line-breaking capabilities, either through speed or skill
  2. Small-medium shutdown defender
  3. High half forward
  4. Developing key defender
I don’t think we need a key defender with JOD (21), Buss (20) and Croft (19) already on the list, plus Jones and Lobb going around again, and Gardy contracted to 2026.

Already this year we’ve had Gardy playing VFL football as a KPF/Ruck and have been playing Croft up forward despite there being no path to the AFL team in that position.

I’d like a speculative KPF deep in the draft just to straighten us up at VFL level with the opportunity to learn from Naughton and Jamarra (Darcy can’t really teach how to be an enormous unicorn).
 

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I don’t think we need a key defender with JOD (21), Buss (20) and Croft (19) already on the list, plus Jones and Lobb going around again, and Gardy contracted to 2026.

Already this year we’ve had Gardy playing VFL football as a KPF/Ruck and have been playing Croft up forward despite there being no path to the AFL team in that position.

I’d like a speculative KPF deep in the draft just to straighten us up at VFL level with the opportunity to learn from Naughton and Jamarra (Darcy can’t really teach how to be an enormous unicorn).
The problem here is that Gardner and Keath are taking up development slots for little AFL reward, not that we've got too many developing key defenders.

Croft keeps being brought up in these discussions but we've seen no indication that the club sees him as a key defender long-term, let alone that he will be a good one.

There is little point drafting a KPF who has no path into the AFL side. You're better off signing a state leaguer to the VFL side.

I'm not spending big on a developing KPD but I do think we could use one more. I'd be tapping Keath on the shoulder and playing Gardner forward for the 5-10 games he's actually fit for. Jones, Lobb (if he can back it up) and JOD in the AFL side, with Buss, draftee and Khamis in the VFL is a fine mix.
 
The problem here is that Gardner and Keath are taking up development slots for little AFL reward, not that we've got too many developing key defenders.

Croft keeps being brought up in these discussions but we've seen no indication that the club sees him as a key defender long-term, let alone that he will be a good one.

There is little point drafting a KPF who has no path into the AFL side. You're better off signing a state leaguer to the VFL side.

I'm not spending big on a developing KPD but I do think we could use one more. I'd be tapping Keath on the shoulder and playing Gardner forward for the 5-10 games he's actually fit for. Jones, Lobb (if he can back it up) and JOD in the AFL side, with Buss, draftee and Khamis in the VFL is a fine mix.
Agree on Gardner and Keath. How many developing KPD do you need though? Adding 1 more might make sense if we don’t see Croft in that position.

When Croft was drafted there were posters on here stating the club had already told him that he would be training as a defender.

Would be happy enough adding a Schache-like player at Footscray to take a KPF spot, but absent that I still wouldn’t mind a project KPF late in the draft. Who knows what happens with JUH in 2 years, injuries etc. I don’t mind limiting a speculative late pick’s pathway to the team this way but don’t think it makes sense for Croft.
 
Some write-ups in the Herald Sun for some of the players mentioned on here

James Barrat
23/11/2006
193cm
Defender/Forward

Barrat started the Talent League season strongly with 18 goals in his first six games up forward and he has shown he is equally adept up the other end. The 193cm swingman has dominated the air since being moved into defence for the Pioneers, averaging 12 intercept possessions and a whopping 7.5 intercept marks in his last four matches. Barrat was able to display his intercepting ability in the biggest game of the national champs, taking four marks from the opposition against Vic Metro. He highlighted his defensive attributes in his VFL debut for Essendon in round 18 with seven spoils and two intercept marks.

Clancy Dennis
28/12/2006
195cm
KPD

A promising tall defender who can contain dangerous key forward, Dennis was named at centre-half back in the All-Australian team after a strong under-18 national championships campaign for Western Australia. He finished as the tournament’s No.1 player for intercept marks, averaging 2.3 a game along with 11.3 disposals and 2.3 spoils. Dennis was his state’s best player in its final game against Vic Country, recording 14 disposals, five marks (four intercepts) and two spoils that day. He is an ultra-competitive player who is rarely beaten one-on-one and has good composure with ball in hand.

Harry O'Farrell
03/05/2006
196cm
KPD/KPF

If not for a number of injury issues that have restricted him this year, O’Farrell could be ranked much higher. An athletic key defender, he reads the play well, has a nice leap, possesses a good set of hands overhead and is capable of taking plenty of intercept marks. He logged nine intercept marks in one match of school football for St Kevin’s and impressed in a key defensive post in the first AFL Academy game against Coburg’s VFL side in April. However, O’Farrell missed the second AFL Academy match with a calf complaint and was injured again in Vic Metro’s second game of the under-18 national championships, missing the final two matches. O’Farrell is also capable of swinging forward and looks up to Greater Western Sydney’s Harry Himmelberg.

Noah Mraz
20/02/2006
198cm
Defender

Looming as a possible first-round prospect earlier in the year, Mraz has seen others rise ahead of him through no fault of his own. A foot fracture has sidelined the athletic key defender for most of the season, and he had been playing with the injury in his four matches for the Dandenong Stingrays and the AFL Academy. He still managed to take three intercept marks in both matches for the Stingrays despite the blow. The Collingwood fan spent a week with the Magpies during the off-season and models his game on captain Darcy Moore, who he shares some similarities with as a tall defender who reads the play well and uses it with precision.

Angus Clarke
08/05/2006
188cm
Defender
The nephew of former Adelaide ruckman Matthew Clarke, the boy from a dairy farm outside of Mount Gambier has surprised with what he has been able to do this year. An intercept and rebounding defender who has been compared to Essendon’s Mason Redman, Clarke is good one-on-one but also possesses a penetrating kick and can provide great run and carry from the back half. Across four games for South Australia at the under-18 national championships, he averaged 17 disposals, 5.3 rebound-50s and two intercept marks. In the side’s final game against Vic Metro, Clarke logged a game-high 618 metres gained from 21 disposals.

Tobie Travaglia
26/10/2006
187cm
Def/Mid

Travaglia’s national championships ended in heartbreak after he gave away that infamous free kick and a 50 metre penalty to Luke Trainor at the death, but that game alone saw his draft stocks rise. Stationed at half back, Travaglia cut through the Vic Metro defence with his run and neat footskills, racking up 25 disposals, nine marks, six intercepts and 130 SuperCoach points. The previous game he impressed on a wing against the Allies, having also played primarily as an inside midfielder at Coates Talent League level where his numbers are off the charts. Of all players to have played more than five games, Travaglia is the second ranked player according to Champion Data, averaging 150 SuperCoach points, 25 disposals, 13 contested possessions, six tackles and a tick under a goal per game. Travaglia is versatile, has great skills, reads the play nicely in defence and can run all day. Travaglia also had an encouraging VFL debut for Carlton over the weekend where he got better as the game went on, finishing with 15 disposals, five intercepts and five tackles.

Lachie Jaques
01/06/2006
184cm
Defender

A broken hand at the back-end of last season saw Jaques put in the hard yards and it has paid dividends. Jaques has booted his standing significantly since the start of the year, kicking off the season with a strong run of form for the Falcons and then being one of the surprise packets at the national championships, where he was named as an All-Australian.. The small defender showed his nice mix of attacking flare and defensive intent in Vic Country’s narrow win over the Allies, tallying 22 disposals, nine intercepts, three intercept marks and 121 SuperCoach points along with laying a goal-saving tackle. The Falcons co-captain’s leadership qualities are also highly regarded.

Jaxon Artemis
24/08/2006
180cm
Defender

A rapidly improving rebounding defender, Artemis was named Western Australia’s MVP after a strong under-18 national championships campaign. He provides run and carry from the back half and has great awareness and composure, along with sound skill execution. Artemis’ best two games of the championships were his last two, racking up 20 disposals and seven rebound 50s against Vic Metro followed by 19 disposals and seven rebound 50s against Vic Country.

Harrison Oliver
15/06/2006
181cm
Defender

A small rebounding defender with a piercing left-foot kick, Oliver loves to take the game on and break the lines from the back half. He’s got good speed and power, he’s combative in the contest, he reads the play well ahead of him and he regularly makes the right decisions and hits targets by foot. Playing for Vic Metro at the under-18 national championships, Oliver was particularly impressive in the side’s first match against the Allies where he recorded 25 disposals, five rebound 50s, seven intercept possessions and five score involvements. He went on to be named in a back pocket in the All-Australian team.

Jesse Dattoli
07/07/2006
179cm
Fwd/Mid

Primarily a clever half-forward who can also push into the midfield and have an impact, Dattoli is the type of player who can change the momentum of a game. He had an injury-interrupted bottom-age year in 2023, but has been kicking goals at all levels – and in all areas – this season. Dattoli has had some monster games at school level with Carey Grammar, since starting the Coates Talent League season in fine fashion with the Knights. During the under-18 national championships with Vic Metro he played as a half-forward, before being used as a genuine wingman in the final game against Vic Country. Dattolli gathered 20 disposals and eight marks in that game, showing an ability to read the play, run good patterns and get back to support his defence. He also took one of the marks of the tournament in Vic Metro’s second game against Western Australia, showing off his strong overhead marking as he soared over the top of an opponent at half-forward. Dattoli is also a creative ball user and generally makes good decisions with the footy in hand.

Joe Berry
18/04/2006
180cm
Fwd/Mid

Berry surged into first-round contention with four four-goal hauls in his first five matches for the Murray Bushrangers to start the season. The dangerous forward has kept the momentum going in both the Coates Talent League level and the national championships, earning All-Australian recognition after kicking eight goals for Vic Country. He underlined his ability to turn a game in the championships decider against Vic Metro, where he slotted three majors - kicking all of those in the second half - to go with 14 disposals and five tackles. Berry has plenty going for him as a small forward with his speed, defensive pressure, clever ball-use and innate goal sense. The Wangaratta product leads the Coates Talent League goalkicking with 26 majors and has been used through the midfield since the champs, where he has shown he can have a major impact in the role. Berry finished with 22 disposals, 12 contested possessions, six clearances, five score assists, a goal and 155 SuperCoach points in a stellar display against the Sandringham Dragons in round 16.

Tom Gross
15/09/2006
181cm
Mid/Fwd
A midfielder-forward with explosive burst speed to break away from stoppage, Gross can also take a strong overhead mark and hit the scoreboard when he goes forward. Hard-at-it, he also possesses good foot skills, genuine footy IQ and has proven his versatility this year. During the under-18 national championships with Vic Metro, Gross featured on a wing, as an inside midfielder and as a forward. He was named at half-forward in the All-Australian team after averaging 20 disposals, three clearances and seven score involvements across the four-game tournament. He has also played some impressive Coates Talent League matches with Oakleigh, alongside school football with Trinity Grammar.

Cooper Hynes
28/02/2006
190cm
Mid/Fwd

Having dominated all season for the Dandenong Stingrays , Hynes was also able to showcase his damaging forward half traits on the national stage for Vic Country. The Bonbeach prospect’s best performance came in their win over Western Australia where he gathered 20 disposals, nine score involvements and kicked two snap goals. A 190cm forward-midfielder who has speed, toughness and great goal sense, Hynes has torn the Coates Talent League to shreds. He has averaged 146 SuperCoach points - the fourth highest tally of anyone who has played more than five games - along with 26 disposals, 8.0 score involvements and 1.7 goals. He booted five goals and had 23 disposals in a stunning display against the Suns Academy and slotted three majors to go with 28 disposals and 17 contested possessions in his last outing.

Christian Moraes
08/11/2006
183cm
Mid/Fwd

A run-and-gun midfielder who can also rotate forward and kick goals, Moraes entered the year as a potential top-10 pick but was slow to get going. A knee injury made for a limited pre-season, following an impressive bottom-age campaign where he averaged 26 disposals across 16 games for the Ranges. Moraes then copped a heavy knock in the second AFL Academy game in April and was required to play a different role across half-back in Vic Metro’s first matches of the under-18 national championships. However, Moraes returned to the onball group for Vic Metro’s last two matches and showed off his workrate, hard-running and creative ball-use going forward. In a match against South Australia he logged 22 disposals, 10 score involvements and kicked two goals. Possessing a basketball background, Moraes produced his best game of the year for the Ranges in early August, racking up 27 disposals and kicking five goals rotating between the midfield and forward line.

Xavier Lindsay
03/08/2006
183cm
Mid/Def

Lindsay’s emphatic performances for the Gippsland Power translated on the big stage against Vic Metro. With the championships on the line, Lindsay produced a best-on-ground display for Vic Country, tallying 30 disposals, 11 marks, eight score involvements, eight tackles and 169 SuperCoach points. It underlined the AFL Academy member’s well-rounded traits as a midfielder. Lindsay hurts opposition sides with his penetrating and pinpoint left boot, wins it on the inside and the outside, and defends strongly when he hasn’t got the footy. He was also a class above in challenging conditions against Western Australia, going at 90 per cent by foot and winning 19 disposals and eight clearances. While Lindsay doesn’t need a lot of the ball to punish the opposition, he has been one of the top ball-winners in the Coates Talent League competition, where he averages 25 disposals, six inside 50s, six clearances and 132 SuperCoach points. He also racked up plenty of the ball as a defender last year and played down back in the AFL Academy game.

Taj Hotton
17/06/2006
182cm
Mid/Fwd

A huge talking point early in the season, Hotton made an exceptional start to the year in a new role. Having played across half-forward for the Dragons in the Coates League last year, he moved into the midfield to great effect. His ability to step in and out of traffic around the contest stood out in some of his early games, along with his willingness to compete one-on-one, his classy ball use, overhead marking, hard-running and creative play forward of centre. Hotton was added to the AFL Academy squad as an injury replacement player for its first match against Coburg in April and gathered 18 disposals in a solid performance on the wing. However, his year lasted just a few more weeks before he suffered an ACL injury at training in May. Hotton is the son of ex-Collingwood and Carlton player Trent and the younger brother of 2022 St Kilda draftee Olli.

Bo Allan
16/02/2006
191cm
Mid/Def
A standout top prospect from Western Australia, Allan has proven himself to be a very capable half-back or midfielder this year. A great athlete who possesses speed and power, he is a nice size and is combative in contested situations. Allan missed games with foot and back injuries early in the year, but averaged 20 disposals, 3.7 clearances, 6.3 score involvements and six tackles across three games for Western Australia at the under-18 national championships. The left-footer also showed his leadership traits as he captained his state during that tournament and was named in the midfield of the All-Australian side. Allan has gone on to shine in some senior WAFL games for Peel Thunder, including a round 14 match against West Coast where he logged 15 disposals, five marks and 12 tackles.
 
This is the Herald Sun's Top 50 (Chris Cavanagh and Dan Batten)

  1. Jagga Smith
  2. Levi Ashcroft
  3. Finn O’Sullivan
  4. Josh Smillie
  5. Sid Draper
  6. Sam Lalor
  7. Luke Trainor
  8. Murphy Reid
  9. Harry Armstrong
  10. Harvey Langford
  11. Leo Lombard
  12. Bo Allan
  13. Issac Kako
  14. Tobie Travaglia
  15. Taj Hotton
  16. Matt Whitlock
  17. Xavier Lindsay
  18. Christian Moraes
  19. Joe Berry
  20. Jack Whitlock
  21. Jobe Shanahan
  22. Alex Dodson
  23. Sam Marshall
  24. Cooper Hynes
  25. Tom Gross
  26. Jonty Faull
  27. Logan Smith
  28. Harrison Oliver
  29. Noah Mraz
  30. Alixzander Tauru
  31. Jesse Dattoli
  32. Tom Sims
  33. Harry O’Farrell
  34. Ben Camporeale
  35. Angus Clarke
  36. Adrian Cole
  37. Archer Day-Wicks
  38. Charlie Nicholls
  39. Xavier Ivisic
  40. Lachie Jacques
  41. Josh Dolan
  42. Jasper Alger
  43. Joel Cochran
  44. Clancy Dennis
  45. Lucas Camporeale
  46. James Barrat
  47. Ollie Warburton
  48. Jaxon Artemis
  49. Malakai Champion
  50. Tyler Welsh
 
This is the Herald Sun's Top 50 (Chris Cavanagh and Dan Batten)

  1. Jagga Smith
  2. Levi Ashcroft
  3. Finn O’Sullivan
  4. Josh Smillie
  5. Sid Draper
  6. Sam Lalor
  7. Luke Trainor
  8. Murphy Reid
  9. Harry Armstrong
  10. Harvey Langford
  11. Leo Lombard
  12. Bo Allan
  13. Issac Kako
  14. Tobie Travaglia
  15. Taj Hotton
  16. Matt Whitlock
  17. Xavier Lindsay
  18. Christian Moraes
  19. Joe Berry
  20. Jack Whitlock
  21. Jobe Shanahan
  22. Alex Dodson
  23. Sam Marshall
  24. Cooper Hynes
  25. Tom Gross
  26. Jonty Faull
  27. Logan Smith
  28. Harrison Oliver
  29. Noah Mraz
  30. Alixzander Tauru
  31. Jesse Dattoli
  32. Tom Sims
  33. Harry O’Farrell
  34. Ben Camporeale
  35. Angus Clarke
  36. Adrian Cole
  37. Archer Day-Wicks
  38. Charlie Nicholls
  39. Xavier Ivisic
  40. Lachie Jacques
  41. Josh Dolan
  42. Jasper Alger
  43. Joel Cochran
  44. Clancy Dennis
  45. Lucas Camporeale
  46. James Barrat
  47. Ollie Warburton
  48. Jaxon Artemis
  49. Malakai Champion
  50. Tyler Welsh
It's always easy to get excited but looks a great draft year
 
I'm think Langford is a late bolter, perhaps into the top 3 or 4. His late season form was outstanding.
Tom Gross - has anyone seen him play? He really needs to 'run' the ball more than stop and prop. Kid needs a lot of coaching.
Tyler Welsh already looks like he's in his mid-20s. Crows get a bargain.
Travaglia is Ed Richards mk 2.
Harrison Oliver is underrated. I think he's the type who probably won't be a star but will be absolutely loved by his teammates and coaches.
I'd take Luke Urquhart as a late pick.
 
I'm think Langford is a late bolter, perhaps into the top 3 or 4. His late season form was outstanding.
Tom Gross - has anyone seen him play? He really needs to 'run' the ball more than stop and prop. Kid needs a lot of coaching.
Tyler Welsh already looks like he's in his mid-20s. Crows get a bargain.
Travaglia is Ed Richards mk 2.
Harrison Oliver is underrated. I think he's the type who probably won't be a star but will be absolutely loved by his teammates and coaches.
I'd take Luke Urquhart as a late pick.

Not sure why they have Langford at 10, think Twomey has him at 3 or 4. I'd certainly pick him above Smillie who I'm not sure comes as advertised as that Tom Green or Cripps type of player. Highly talented, but think he has some Tim English levels of aggression and can get pushed off the ball too easily for such a big body at times.

I tend to agree on Gross, I'm not as excited by him as I am many others now. Would much prefer someone like Oliver over him.

As for Urquhart, if we think we can improve his kicking, I don't mind this. There's a few decent small forwards and backs I like too. Hopefully we still cut 4 or 5 off the list, you may even find a few gems in the rookie draft this year.
 
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I'm think Langford is a late bolter, perhaps into the top 3 or 4. His late season form was outstanding.
Tom Gross - has anyone seen him play? He really needs to 'run' the ball more than stop and prop. Kid needs a lot of coaching.
Tyler Welsh already looks like he's in his mid-20s. Crows get a bargain.
Travaglia is Ed Richards mk 2.
Harrison Oliver is underrated. I think he's the type who probably won't be a star but will be absolutely loved by his teammates and coaches.
I'd take Luke Urquhart as a late pick.

Agree on Travaglia. Think he is the one I want the most. Can see him being an immediate star off half back that can move into the midfield in a few years time in the mould of Richards / Day / Young.

Which will be perfect timing with Treloar / Libba having a few years left.


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Not sure why they have Langford at 10, think Twomey has him at 3 or 4. I'd certainly pick him above Smillie who I'm not sure comes as advertised as that Tom Green or Cripps type of player. Highly talented, but think he has some Tim English levels of aggression and can get pushed off the ball too easily for such a big body at times.

I tend to agree on Gross, I'm not as excited by him as I am many others now. Would much prefer someone like Oliver over him.

As for Urquhart, if we think we can improve his kicking, I don't mind this. There's a few decent small forwards and backs I like too. Hopefully we still cut 4 or 5 off the list, you may even find a few gems in the rookie draft this year.
I actually think this draft isn't as cut and dry as some suggest and plenty of kids will "split" the recruiters. I think this will be a good draft for late picks too
 
I actually think this draft isn't as cut and dry as some suggest and plenty of kids will "split" the recruiters. I think this will be a good draft for late picks too

Agreed, it’s a pretty even draft and I think we should see a fair few surprises. We should see a fair few under valued players taken late also. Welsh who you mentioned, I think is undervalued as well.

I think if I did a top 50 it would be very different. I haven’t seen a heap of u18 footy this year, so take it with a grain of salt, but I rate O’Sullivan and Hotton as the two best players in it which doesn't seem the norm. Both come with risks attached to them though. Also rate Tauro, O’Farrell and Clarke a fair bit higher then what I’ve seen others rate them to name a few others.
 
Agree on Travaglia. Think he is the one I want the most. Can see him being an immediate star off half back that can move into the midfield in a few years time in the mould of Richards / Day / Young.

Which will be perfect timing with Treloar / Libba having a few years left.


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Agree Travaglia is the one that I have liked the look of the most don't know if we'll have a pick high enough to get him though.
 
Not sure why they have Langford at 10, think Twomey has him at 3 or 4. I'd certainly pick him above Smillie who I'm not sure comes as advertised as that Tom Green or Cripps type of player. Highly talented, but think he has some Tim English levels of aggression and can get pushed off the ball too easily for such a big body at times.

I tend to agree on Gross, I'm not as excited by him as I am many others now. Would much prefer someone like Oliver over him.

As for Urquhart, if we think we can improve his kicking, I don't mind this. There's a few decent small forwards and backs I like too. Hopefully we still cut 4 or 5 off the list, you may even find a few gems in the rookie draft this year.
Phoenix Hargrave is another inside type I wouldn't mind late, looks like he has a real physical presence from what I've seen.

PHOENIX HARGRAVE (South Adelaide/Reynella East High School) Midfielder, 17, 182cm

“Phoenix is a strong inside midfielder whose contested work is very good. He also makes good decisions with ball in hand and can go forward and impact the scoreboard. Phoenix did all the pre-season training with the State under-18 talent hub and the feedback I got was that he was the most professional player with pre-training craft and that his workrate at training was very good. And at the testing day, he improved the areas that some people had concerns over, which shows how hard he has worked.’’ – South talent manager and under-18s coach Mark Clayton

Love to hear stuff like this about a kids workrate too
 
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If geelong goes out in straight sets, we could get pick 13 for Smith?
If we want someone who we think will go about 10-ish we should put the acid on Geelong to deliver a pick inside 10 for Smith. They can trade up if they really want Smith that badly.
 
I think you’re right. Shame it’ll be pushed back to 15 with Ashcroft and Lombard bids. Kako may even get bid on in the early teens

does that make a difference though? the academy and f/s players arent really available to anyone except their selected teams. If we have pick 13 we will have 13th crack at the actually available players.

oh, I see what you mean - if we rule ash and lombard out of that list above, travalglia, for instance, would be selected with live pick 12, not live pick 14
 
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Phoenix Hargrave is another inside type I wouldn't mind late, looks like he has a real physical presence from what I've seen.

PHOENIX HARGRAVE (South Adelaide/Reynella East High School) Midfielder, 17, 182cm

“Phoenix is a strong inside midfielder whose contested work is very good. He also makes good decisions with ball in hand and can go forward and impact the scoreboard. Phoenix did all the pre-season training with the State under-18 talent hub and the feedback I got was that he was the most professional player with pre-training craft and that his workrate at training was very good. And at the testing day, he improved the areas that some people had concerns over, which shows how hard he has worked.’’ – South talent manager and under-18s coach Mark Clayton

Love to hear stuff like this about a kids workrate too
He is another on my short list. Love the way he goes about it.
 
Nathaniel Sulzberger might be one to keep an eye in the finals. Doing a similar thing to Sanders, in that he's a Tassie boy that's boarding in Melbourne and playing for Sandy in the Coates League. Kicked 3 goals and had 29 possessions last weekend. Can play a midfield or a half forward role and I think he's one that could suit us. Looked good in the contest and has the speed and power to burst clear from the contest. Very good all round athlete with his leap, speed and endurance all very strong. Has run a sub 6 minute 2km time trial which is something we seem to rate looking at last year's draft. Might be worth a stab late in the draft.
 
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