Racing 2024 G1 Melbourne Cup Day (3200m)

Melbourne Cup winner?


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Last top 10 thoughts before Tuesday. Will post my actual bets later if anyone is interested but...


1. BUCKAROO - Just has to go on top for me after that Caulfield Cup run. Whether there are doubts on the trip or not the eye test from that race said back me in a MC. Brings through the super strong WFA form which historically is very good and just has panels on what these others are coming through. Draws the carpark but really not that concerned when they have an age to find a position and he can slot in anywhere in the run and be fine.

2. ABSURDE - Brings across much stronger form than the Euros who have already been out here and dominated and price has barely budged the whole way through. Travelled and ran well enough last year in a stronger race and meeting the stablemate a kilo better off a good advantage.

3. VAUBAN - Another Euro who brings out much better form than the ones we have already seen out here. Failing last year as favourite isn't ideal but basically the same horse and getting a bigger price this year in a weaker field. I do have concerns on a firm track but his best is better than most we have seen.

4. SEA KING - Fantastic win in the Bendigo Cup making a run from a long way out and just going clear up the straight. Little between him and Onesmoothoperator but have to give him the slight edge coming through the Ebor together where he held an SP profile advantage and have seen nothing in their runs out here to move the needle on either of them.

5. ONESMOOTHOPERATOR - Great win in the Geelong Cup showing a decent turn of speed off a slowly run race. Should suit these conditions but have yo have him just behind Sea King.

6. SAINT GEORGE - Entire prep looked absolutely cooked coming up to the bend in the MV Gold Cup but really got warmed up late for a nice Cup trial. One time favourite and on his European form last year would be likely winning so you at least know he has a level in him that could win if 3200m at Flemington wakes him up.

7. OKITA SOUSHI - Finally found form in this country and running well. Was going like complete dog shit into the race last year and still ran pretty well so should go much better this year. Will be really strong at the end of 2 miles as well.

8. WARP SPEED - Went like shit at Caulfield but to be fair that's exactly what most were expecting once the track was soft. Flemington and a firm track are what he needs and at his best could easily be running into F4s here and we are getting a price now to find out for exotics.

9. MOSTLY CLOUDY - Looking for the Sheraz style blow out chances now for rough F4s because I don't think there is much between what we have here in the staying ranks and the ones at triple figures are only marginally behind those much shorter. He is a real tough 2 miler who will run the trip right and SPd $4.80 against Point King a couple runs ago who was like 4th or 5th pick in the betting before coming out.

10. FANCY MAN - Another real bolter to include for F4s. Was 3WNC in the Naturalism and ran well, ran a decent 3rd in the Herbert Power just behind Okita Soushi and then 6th in the Caulfield Cup was probably better than everything outside the first 3 home.
 

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Tri for tomorrow

1st: Buckaroo, Vauban, Absurde, Saint George, Warp Speed

2nd: Same

3rd: Same + LL, Okita Soushi, OSO, SK, Interpretation, Mostly Cloudy, Fancy Man

Then a few more combos more heavily through Buck, Vauban and Absurde

I banking on Warp Speed turning his form around too.

My main bets are mainly through the same race multi top 10s around Buckaroo, Sea King, Okita, Interpretation, Warp Speed, Saint George and Mostly Cloudy. They're not all in one bet but basically in that order in terms of my confidence as to how high I throw them in the top xyz slots. Eg.. I've got Buckaroo winning a couple, but then horses like Saint George and Mostly Cloudy only ever going as high as top 10.

Saint George winning would see my well up. Buckaroo a decent amount up but not huge like previous years, after a couple of Saturday multis are alive still
 
Saint Gorge seems to be the forgotten horse and his best can win it on firm ground which he will get.

He is my 2nd best result with Sea King but i have a terrible record in this race and back the winner on average about 1 in every 5 Cups and i was on last years winner so just ignore whatever i say now! 🧐🤪😂
 
Saint Gorge seems to be the forgotten horse and his best can win it on firm ground which he will get.

He is my 2nd best result with Sea King but i have a terrible record in this race and back the winner on average about 1 in every 5 Cups and i was on last years winner so just ignore whatever i say now! 🧐🤪😂

I have him as one of my 3 win/place bets in the race, expecting a bit of money to come for him closer to race
 

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the amount of testing the MC horses have to go through to greatly reduce the odds of one falling over, and the amount ruled out is pretty wild.

just makes you think if they did this for all horses (probably impossible) maybe you could reduce overall deaths greatly.
if that was true then maybe the future of racing would look a bit brighter as young people would find is less cruel.
 
the amount of testing the MC horses have to go through to greatly reduce the odds of one falling over, and the amount ruled out is pretty wild.

just makes you think if they did this for all horses (probably impossible) maybe you could reduce overall deaths greatly.
if that was true then maybe the future of racing would look a bit brighter as young people would find is less cruel.

The people that find it cruel will always find it cruel, no matter what tests are done.

The problem is we’re working in hypotheticals. Who’s to say the new testing has made a difference? Whose to say if it was around when we had an abnormal amount of deaths over a period of few years, that the tests would have picked up any anomalies in those horses that broke down. I think in those of more recent times, we’ve had 6-7 deaths. 2 of those - Admire Ratki and Araldo aren’t being picked up on their bone testing as one was a heart attack and the other spooked by the crowd and kicked the fence.

The increased tests though have certainly decreased the quality of the race which continues to spiral south. The problem there is that Australia doesn’t breed or invest in stayers so we end up with a bunch of donkeys and cats making up most of the field.
 
The people that find it cruel will always find it cruel, no matter what tests are done.

The problem is we’re working in hypotheticals. Who’s to say the new testing has made a difference? Whose to say if it was around when we had an abnormal amount of deaths over a period of few years, that the tests would have picked up any anomalies in those horses that broke down. I think in those of more recent times, we’ve had 6-7 deaths. 2 of those - Admire Ratki and Araldo aren’t being picked up on their bone testing as one was a heart attack and the other spooked by the crowd and kicked the fence.

The increased tests though have certainly decreased the quality of the race which continues to spiral south. The problem there is that Australia doesn’t breed or invest in stayers so we end up with a bunch of donkeys and cats making up most of the field.
Hit the nail on the head. There is 0 incentive to breed stayers in this country as we don't have the races for them to run in.
 
Sen tipsters kicking goals, not one person has Buckaroo in their Top 3…View attachment 2158129View attachment 2158130
I imagine that this is a pretty reasonable reflection of a lot of the general punting public in regards to selections they will roll through their First 4’s.

If you are lucky enough to land an F4 whilst working around some of these selections and manage to dodge one or two of these horses, especially Vauban / Zardozi then you are going to get a nice collect.
 
The people that find it cruel will always find it cruel, no matter what tests are done.

The problem is we’re working in hypotheticals. Who’s to say the new testing has made a difference? Whose to say if it was around when we had an abnormal amount of deaths over a period of few years, that the tests would have picked up any anomalies in those horses that broke down. I think in those of more recent times, we’ve had 6-7 deaths. 2 of those - Admire Ratki and Araldo aren’t being picked up on their bone testing as one was a heart attack and the other spooked by the crowd and kicked the fence.

The increased tests though have certainly decreased the quality of the race which continues to spiral south. The problem there is that Australia doesn’t breed or invest in stayers so we end up with a bunch of donkeys and cats making up most of the field.
youd only know after a long enough sample size.
in theory, though, if you test for the most likely fatal injuries and rule out based on increased likelihood of injury that makes sense. if the data after time backed that up then it should cover all horses in theory, because noone wants fatal injuries.

of course you can do all that and still have fatal injuries that happen out of the blue, plus injuries you tested for could still occur, plus "black swan" events like crazy riding or hooves clipping etc imo its just about reducing your downside risk to an acceptable level.

i think if that was the norm some people would think better of horse racing, but as you say, the anti HR crowd will always be against it.
 
Military Tycoon place r1 $3.20

Opening address /cloudland place r2 & r3 $2.52

Kinesiology / miss aria place r5 / r9 $5.54

Apullia / warnie place r6 & r10 $3.22

Place multi all 7 legs $143.57

warp speed, land legend, circle of fire top 10 $7.81
 
EW bets

Zardozi
Warp Speed
St George
Just Fine
Circle of fire
Land Legend
The Map

Place only - Mostly Cloudy

Will also add the predicted $20 TAB offer as well on either Buckaroo or Vauban

GL all!
 

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