Why not? Are we bound by committing to Burgess and Schoenberg?
We could just screw one of them.
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We could just screw one of them.
It's not an option for several reasons.
Firstly - yes, we are contractually bound to select them in the RD, provided they're still available at our picks.
Secondly, by nominating Welsh as a F/S in the ND we are forced to select him with our last live pick if nobody bids on him before then. We are not, however, obliged to match any bids (i.e. if a bid comes in earlier than expected, forcing us to go into points deficit for 2025). Thus we can't take him in the RD, which was one of the key elements in the scenario proposed by crows dude.
What we've done with Welsh is the opposite of the Ben Jarman scenario. Back then we specifically didn't nominate him for the ND, knowing that we'd be forced to put him on our senior list if nobody else bid on him. We then nominated him for the RD, resulting in him being pre-listed on our rookie list ahead of the RD.
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Whilst I'm up for just about any shenanigans, I simply cannot barrack for Damien Hardwick.
Just. Won't. Do. It.
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Good call, considering that some esteemed posters have also referred to Don Pyke as a MAESTRO
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But if it's available to everyone equally, it's not really a rort because everyone can do it.
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I can't find a hard and fast rule around this or an example where it hasn't happened either.
What's the actual penalty for not doing this? Because all I can see is that we could (theoretically and very very very unlikely) just pay out the contract and not have the player on the list. This can happen to any contracted player at any list lodgement time, the only penalty is that our salary cap is impacted for the term of the contract with the trade off being an extra list spot.
It's unprecedented but what happens if we don't, are we just big meanies that don't stick by our word or does the AFL actually sanction us? and if so, based on what exactly? Breaking a contract we can do with any player in the post-season?
I believe they're just automatic selections, with our last 2 live picks in the RD - which in our case will be our only picks in the RD.
There might be more to pay than just the pay-out figure if we have deprived the player the chance to continue his career elsewhere?
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But by making him available to the open market and nobody picking him, haven't we given them the chance to be picked as a DFA or Rookie by anyone?
I say let's try it with Burgess as a test case. Him still being on our list is probably just as bad as a big fine anyway.
It has become that in a way. I doubt many have been through the delisting and picked up on the Rookie list scenario and completely turned it around. I am sure someone has but not many at the same club.
It's bassically a sign to start looking for a job.
It's probably not in the rule book but I think the AFL, player managers and AFLPA would give us a hard time.
We are going to pick them both up again. We should of just delisted them and paid them out if that was an option. It doesn't really make sense to now not pick them up. They will both be on the Rookie list.
I'm not absolutely certain what the mechanism is for enforcing it... all I know is that there is less than 0% chance that the club won't re-draft them if they're still available (i.e. haven't signed elsewhere as DFA or been drafted by another club).
I don't know how the AFL enforces it, what sanctions would apply if we didn't do it - I just know that Adelaide will re-draft those players it has committed to, just as all the other clubs will to their players in the same situation.
I don't know how the AFL enforces it, what sanctions would apply if we didn't do it - I just know that Adelaide will re-draft those players it has committed to, just as all the other clubs will to their players in the same situation.
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Feel obliged to reply seeing you quoted me
, but as others have said he already looked fine for a whole season or two. There's a whole batch of players from those drafts that showed signs but were poorly developed
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I wonder on draft night if its getting close to our next pick which may come right in after other picks get burned up in matching bids - could we do a pick swap with a side that maybe still wants a live pick in this draft for a future pick - ie if our pick comes in to the mid-late 40's, trade that for a clubs F3, and then use whatever the next pick is for Welsh if he has not been bid on before that possible scenario above?
Just trying to think how we could gain some more future draft capital playing a game at the back end of the draft if there was a willing partner?
Just trying to think how we could gain some more future draft capital playing a game at the back end of the draft if there was a willing partner?
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I think our hands are pretty tied with any pick swapping now, we have to take welsh and we have to upgrade a rookie, and we’ll use pick 4.
unless we somehow split the pick in the 60’s while still keeping a pick in this years draft and getting one in next years, but we would be dealing for peanuts at that stage of the draft so I doubt any team would entertain any conversation around our later picks.
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Feel obliged to reply seeing you quoted me, but as others have said he already looked fine for a whole season or two. There's a whole batch of players from those drafts that showed signs but were poorly developed
, but as others have said he already looked fine for a whole season or two. There's a whole batch of players from those drafts that showed signs but were poorly developed
When had he looked fine?
He butchers the ball and he panics with his decision making
I would argue except for couple glimpse here and there - saying he looked fine for a season or two is a massive over exaggeration
Does not look composed at al at AFL level - can’t hit a target
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Remember though we will still have 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th round picks so to speak so if a bid has not come in for Welsh by the time out next pick comes, we 'could' look to trade it if there was a taker for a future pick and then use our next available pick (which would also have come in a fair bit) for Welsh. Just spitballing I guess and wanting to try and squeeze every last drop out of the lemon so to speak.
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As I have said many times over the past month, there is no good reason for us to pick swap.
Pick 4 is perfectly placed to get one of the gun midfielders. Sliding our pick would be silly as we then likely miss out on one of the leading midfielders which we desperately need.
Further, we do not need another pick this draft as we have no list space.
This is not the time to bank future picks to give up the opportunity for a gun midfielder.
Agreed. We’ve committed to these guys and will pick them up.
I did have a sneaky thought that we get a selection before Hawthorn in the rookie draft and it would be gold to call out Gunston’s name so he could come back to where his career started
Of course that won’t happen but it would be great just to see his reaction.
There is 0% punishment for changing our mind. They are delisted. It also depends on the wording off the promise. If we said outright that we will redraft them in the rookie draft and we dont, the AFLPA will be pretty pissed and it is a dog act by the club that will look incredibly poor by the playing group and the wider player and player manager population. But if we said we are considering our options and we will look at whats available but we will take them if its our best option well thats entirely different.
This is all semantics anyway. We wouldnt have done it with the press release of the promise if there was the possibility of walking away from the deal. Afterall this is the club that has kept players on the rookie system who have retired and to pay medical bills. So I doubt we would be this ruthless.
Both players at this stage would know they are done and wont play AFL footy next year, I guess its up to them whether they pursue the promise and commit to a preseason or tell the club they want out and go play Sanfl or VFL etc. Either way the club has to pay them the contract because they are delisted.
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Why?
Get rid of the rookie list and the rookie draft.
Have 44 players on the list, and use the main draft, the SSP and the midseason draft. That's enough.
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I like this road, much better than the Draper route.
Can't see Port doing that, especially as you'd think Soldo will sook up again and try to leave.
But I'm all for it.
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Minimum main draft position requires a 2 year Contract .....Rookie spots allow for a one year Contract
I like the try B4 you buy aspect of the Rookie ....I agree, call it by another name, maybe Supplementary List .....but the Club gets to look at how a player who was overlooked in the Draft (s) applies himself to improving
