List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Coopers]

Not an option.

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Why not? Are we bound by committing to Burgess and Schoenberg?

We could just screw one of them.

 

[Vader]

Why not? Are we bound by committing to Burgess and Schoenberg?

We could just screw one of them.

It's not an option for several reasons.

Firstly - yes, we are contractually bound to select them in the RD, provided they're still available at our picks.

Secondly, by nominating Welsh as a F/S in the ND we are forced to select him with our last live pick if nobody bids on him before then. We are not, however, obliged to match any bids (i.e. if a bid comes in earlier than expected, forcing us to go into points deficit for 2025). Thus we can't take him in the RD, which was one of the key elements in the scenario proposed by crows dude.

What we've done with Welsh is the opposite of the Ben Jarman scenario. Back then we specifically didn't nominate him for the ND, knowing that we'd be forced to put him on our senior list if nobody else bid on him. We then nominated him for the RD, resulting in him being pre-listed on our rookie list ahead of the RD.

 

[Chezzel]

I think we should just do a full list swap with another team, spice things up a little, give us GC’s list, we’ll do a coach swap too, everyone’s a winner


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[Coopers]

I think we should just do a full list swap with another team, spice things up a little, give us GC’s list, we’ll do a coach swap too, everyone’s a winner


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Whilst I'm up for just about any shenanigans, I simply cannot barrack for Damien Hardwick.

Just. Won't. Do. It.

 

[skam85]

Nice job potting from the cheapest of seats. I really hope this was in good jest, because Feen's contribution to this (and the larger crow fan) community is right up there. We all get it wrong from time to time and have had our personal faves who flopped (hey Troy Menzel and Riley Knight)

Good call, considering that some esteemed posters have also referred to Don Pyke as a MAESTRO

 

[skam85]

No, the rules need to be changed. should be for under 23s and for those that have not been on an AFL list before. not used to rort the system etc.

But if it's available to everyone equally, it's not really a rort because everyone can do it.

 

[skam85]

It's not an option for several reasons.

Firstly - yes, we are contractually bound to select them in the RD, provided they're still available at our picks.

I can't find a hard and fast rule around this or an example where it hasn't happened either.

What's the actual penalty for not doing this? Because all I can see is that we could (theoretically and very very very unlikely) just pay out the contract and not have the player on the list. This can happen to any contracted player at any list lodgement time, the only penalty is that our salary cap is impacted for the term of the contract with the trade off being an extra list spot.

It's unprecedented but what happens if we don't, are we just big meanies that don't stick by our word or does the AFL actually sanction us? and if so, based on what exactly? Breaking a contract we can do with any player in the post-season?

 

[Vader]

I can't find a hard and fast rule around this or an example where it hasn't happened either.

What's the actual penalty for not doing this? Because all I can see is that we could (theoretically and very very very unlikely) just pay out the contract and not have the player on the list. This can happen to any contracted player at any list lodgement time, the only penalty is that our salary cap is impacted for the term of the contract with the trade off being an extra list spot.

It's unprecedented but what happens if we don't, are we just big meanies that don't stick by our word or does the AFL actually sanction us? and if so, based on what exactly? Breaking a contract we can do with any player in the post-season?

I believe they're just automatic selections, with our last 2 live picks in the RD - which in our case will be our only picks in the RD.

 

[baldandbroke]

I can't find a hard and fast rule around this or an example where it hasn't happened either.

What's the actual penalty for not doing this? Because all I can see is that we could (theoretically and very very very unlikely) just pay out the contract and not have the player on the list. This can happen to any contracted player at any list lodgement time, the only penalty is that our salary cap is impacted for the term of the contract with the trade off being an extra list spot.

It's unprecedented but what happens if we don't, are we just big meanies that don't stick by our word or does the AFL actually sanction us? and if so, based on what exactly? Breaking a contract we can do with any player in the post-season?

There might be more to pay than just the pay-out figure if we have deprived the player the chance to continue his career elsewhere?

 

[skam85]

There might be more to pay than just the pay-out figure if we have deprived the player the chance to continue his career elsewhere?

But by making him available to the open market and nobody picking him, haven't we given them the chance to be picked as a DFA or Rookie by anyone?

I say let's try it with Burgess as a test case. Him still being on our list is probably just as bad as a big fine anyway.

 

[Redline]

We should call it the 'half-way house', because it means you are half way out the door.

It has become that in a way. I doubt many have been through the delisting and picked up on the Rookie list scenario and completely turned it around. I am sure someone has but not many at the same club.

It's bassically a sign to start looking for a job.

 

[Redline]

It's unprecedented but what happens if we don't, are we just big meanies that don't stick by our word or does the AFL actually sanction us? and if so, based on what exactly? Breaking a contract we can do with any player in the post-season?

It's probably not in the rule book but I think the AFL, player managers and AFLPA would give us a hard time.

We are going to pick them both up again. We should of just delisted them and paid them out if that was an option. It doesn't really make sense to now not pick them up. They will both be on the Rookie list.

 

[Vader]

I'm not absolutely certain what the mechanism is for enforcing it... all I know is that there is less than 0% chance that the club won't re-draft them if they're still available (i.e. haven't signed elsewhere as DFA or been drafted by another club).

I don't know how the AFL enforces it, what sanctions would apply if we didn't do it - I just know that Adelaide will re-draft those players it has committed to, just as all the other clubs will to their players in the same situation.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

Harry is not AFL standard no matter what jumper he is wearing


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Feel obliged to reply seeing you quoted me , but as others have said he already looked fine for a whole season or two. There's a whole batch of players from those drafts that showed signs but were poorly developed

 

[Crow till I die]

I wonder on draft night if its getting close to our next pick which may come right in after other picks get burned up in matching bids - could we do a pick swap with a side that maybe still wants a live pick in this draft for a future pick - ie if our pick comes in to the mid-late 40's, trade that for a clubs F3, and then use whatever the next pick is for Welsh if he has not been bid on before that possible scenario above?
Just trying to think how we could gain some more future draft capital playing a game at the back end of the draft if there was a willing partner?