NFL 2024 - Off-Season Player/Coach Updates and Discussion

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ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Seahawks are hiring former University of Washington offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb to the same position.
Seahawks head coach Mike Macdonald opted to go with an outside-the-box approach at offensive coordinator, luring Grubb, a lifelong college coach, into the professional game. Grubb’s first role as offensive coordinator came at Sioux Falls in 2010 after previously being hired as their offensive line/run game coordinator in 2007 by then-head coach Kalen DeBoer. DeBoer, who is now the head coach at Alabama, would also work with Grubb at Fresno State and Washington and had hired him to his Alabama staff mere weeks ago. Known for his horizontal passing game, Grubb has helped lead some of the top offensive attacks in the nation, with the Huskies ranking seventh and 13th in the nation in scoring during his two seasons. Now with the Seahawks, Grubb has a chance to show his offensive chops on the pro stage, and has a talented group of receivers in Tyler Lockett, D.K. Metcalf, and Jaxon Smith-Njigba to work with.

 

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ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Seahawks are hiring former University of Washington offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb to the same position.
Seahawks head coach Mike Macdonald opted to go with an outside-the-box approach at offensive coordinator, luring Grubb, a lifelong college coach, into the professional game. Grubb’s first role as offensive coordinator came at Sioux Falls in 2010 after previously being hired as their offensive line/run game coordinator in 2007 by then-head coach Kalen DeBoer. DeBoer, who is now the head coach at Alabama, would also work with Grubb at Fresno State and Washington and had hired him to his Alabama staff mere weeks ago. Known for his horizontal passing game, Grubb has helped lead some of the top offensive attacks in the nation, with the Huskies ranking seventh and 13th in the nation in scoring during his two seasons. Now with the Seahawks, Grubb has a chance to show his offensive chops on the pro stage, and has a talented group of receivers in Tyler Lockett, D.K. Metcalf, and Jaxon Smith-Njigba to work with.

Penix to Seattle ?

 

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Penix to Seattle ?

If its a trade back into the first round i like the pick of penix. That extra option year is gold for rookie QBs. Go Pass rusher or interior OL with first pick and then trade to 30-32 range for penix. Thats a really good draft.

 

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The plundering of the Huskies continues. Man they are farked next year

 

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Pro Football Hall of Fame 2024 inductees​

Modern-era players​

• Dwight Freeney, DE/OLB, 2002-2017
• Devin Hester, PR/KR/WR, 2006-2016
• Andre Johnson, WR, 2003-2016
• Julius Peppers, DE, 2002-2016
• Patrick Willis, LB, 2007-2014

What Antonio Gates did at TE was >>>>>> that Andre Johnson at WR.

And I don't mind Hester getting in as a ST player but, sadly, Steve Tasker missed that boat.


Deion Sanders had an interesting take recently


Pro Football Hall of Famer Deion Sanders thinks the Hall of Fame is getting too crowded.

Sanders told Well Off Media that “The Hall of Fame ain’t the Hall of Fame anymore” and that he thinks the truly great players like himself need to be separated from the second-tier Hall of Famers.

“My jacket got to be a different color,” Sanders said. “There needs to be a starting 11, there needs to be an upper room. My head doesn’t belong with some of these other heads that’s in the Hall of Fame. What do they call it, the bust? I call it the head. Put my head up where it’s supposed to be. I’m sorry, I’m saying what you’re all thinking, and a lot of Hall of Famers are thinking the same thing. This is becoming a free for all now.”

Sanders said the only people who should be in the Hall of Fame are the ones who truly changed football.

“It’s people who changed the game. That’s what the Hall of Fame is, a game changer. Not, ‘I played good, I had a good run, I gave you 3-4 good years.’ No, dog. Game changers,” Sanders said.

The Hall of Fame has inducted more players in recent years, and Sanders thinks the pool of Hall of Famers has been diluted.

 

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What Antonio Gates did at TE was >>>>>> that Andre Johnson at WR.

And I don't mind Hester getting in as a ST player but, sadly, Steve Tasker missed that boat.


Deion Sanders had an interesting take recently


Pro Football Hall of Famer Deion Sanders thinks the Hall of Fame is getting too crowded.

Sanders told Well Off Media that “The Hall of Fame ain’t the Hall of Fame anymore” and that he thinks the truly great players like himself need to be separated from the second-tier Hall of Famers.

“My jacket got to be a different color,” Sanders said. “There needs to be a starting 11, there needs to be an upper room. My head doesn’t belong with some of these other heads that’s in the Hall of Fame. What do they call it, the bust? I call it the head. Put my head up where it’s supposed to be. I’m sorry, I’m saying what you’re all thinking, and a lot of Hall of Famers are thinking the same thing. This is becoming a free for all now.”

Sanders said the only people who should be in the Hall of Fame are the ones who truly changed football.

“It’s people who changed the game. That’s what the Hall of Fame is, a game changer. Not, ‘I played good, I had a good run, I gave you 3-4 good years.’ No, dog. Game changers,” Sanders said.

The Hall of Fame has inducted more players in recent years, and Sanders thinks the pool of Hall of Famers has been diluted.

Deion being as gracious as ever.

 

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What Antonio Gates did at TE was >>>>>> that Andre Johnson at WR.

And I don't mind Hester getting in as a ST player but, sadly, Steve Tasker missed that boat.


Deion Sanders had an interesting take recently


Pro Football Hall of Famer Deion Sanders thinks the Hall of Fame is getting too crowded.

Sanders told Well Off Media that “The Hall of Fame ain’t the Hall of Fame anymore” and that he thinks the truly great players like himself need to be separated from the second-tier Hall of Famers.

“My jacket got to be a different color,” Sanders said. “There needs to be a starting 11, there needs to be an upper room. My head doesn’t belong with some of these other heads that’s in the Hall of Fame. What do they call it, the bust? I call it the head. Put my head up where it’s supposed to be. I’m sorry, I’m saying what you’re all thinking, and a lot of Hall of Famers are thinking the same thing. This is becoming a free for all now.”

Sanders said the only people who should be in the Hall of Fame are the ones who truly changed football.

“It’s people who changed the game. That’s what the Hall of Fame is, a game changer. Not, ‘I played good, I had a good run, I gave you 3-4 good years.’ No, dog. Game changers,” Sanders said.

The Hall of Fame has inducted more players in recent years, and Sanders thinks the pool of Hall of Famers has been diluted.

Gates should have been in ahead of Freeney too. I think Gates only having 2 x 1,000 yard seasons is why they didnt put him in ahead of Johnson. Youre right, Gates changed the way the position was thought of and played, had more of an impact on the game.

 

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Hester and Johnson getting in over some of those 80s and 90s players with better numbers is crazy.

 

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Jarred Allen should be in.

Sterling Sharpe was a better WR than Johnson and wasn't even a finalists this year

 

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Roger Craig, the prototype of the receiving-running RB double threat, not getting in is still a travesty.

 

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I get the issues people have with the HoF being crowded when people are getting in over players who have misses out for years and years who had better careers.

So I guess it's more bias towards the post 2000s players. So Eli and Rivers will get in but don't really deserve it because it kinds feels like lowering the bar for the next set at that position.

Gates has crazy numbers from well before a TE was used like today. Him and Gonzalez changed the position before Gronk or Kelce. They don't exist without the players like Gates.

 

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I get the issues people have with the HoF being crowded when people are getting in over players who have misses out for years and years who had better careers.

So I guess it's more bias towards the post 2000s players. So Eli and Rivers will get in but don't really deserve it because it kinds feels like lowering the bar for the next set at that position.

Gates has crazy numbers from well before a TE was used like today. Him and Gonzalez changed the position before Gronk or Kelce. They don't exist without the players like Gates.

More and more, in recent years, it has a heavy recency bias. I feel that's reflective of the current media types who are responsible for voting.

From a coaching perspective, how Don Coryell, who all but invented the modern passing game, waited so long, while those involved in the media like Dungy, Cowher, Johnson, Vermeil get in relatively early after being eligible.

 

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The NFL does everything wrong

 

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More and more, in recent years, it has a heavy recency bias. I feel that's reflective of the current media types who are responsible for voting.

From a coaching perspective, how Don Coryall, who all but invented the modern passing game, waited so long, while those involved in the media like Dungy, Cowher, Johnson, Vermeil get in relatively early after being eligible.

Some of those players also get lost if they don't go into the media or have former teammates or a coach in the media running a campaign for them.

It will get worse if you are already in the logjam.
Even worse that younger voters are going on wins and rings rather then helping change the game.

 

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Some of those players also get lost if they don't go into the media or have former teammates or a coach in the media running a campaign for them.

It will get worse if you are already in the logjam.
Even worse that younger voters are going on wins and rings rather then helping change the game.

From this years seniors nominations

• Ken Anderson
• Ottis Anderson
• Carl Banks
• Maxie Baughan
• Larry Brown
• Mark Clayton
• Charlie Conerly
• Roger Craig
• Henry Ellard
• Randy Gradishar
• Lester Hayes
• Chris Hinton
• Cecil Isbell
• Joe Jacoby
• Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
• Mike Kenn
• Bob Kuechenberg
• George Kunz
• Albert Lewis
• Jim Marshall
• Clay Matthews Jr.
• Steve McMichael
• Eddie Meador
• Stanley Morgan
• Tommy Nobis
• Art Powell
• Sterling Sharpe
• Steve Tasker
• Otis Taylor
• Everson Walls
• Al Wistert

You could argue the case that there are a lot more qualified players in that bunch than those that got in.
Personally I'd have Ellard and Sharpe ahead of Johnson. You could almost argue White Shoes Johnson was just as dynamic in his era than Devin Hester and Ken Anderson, Roger Craig and Everson Walls should have got in long ago.
As for DEs/LBs there'd be a few like for like with Freeney/Peppers/Willis.

 

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From this years seniors nominations

• Ken Anderson
• Ottis Anderson
• Carl Banks
• Maxie Baughan
• Larry Brown
• Mark Clayton
• Charlie Conerly
• Roger Craig
• Henry Ellard
• Randy Gradishar
• Lester Hayes
• Chris Hinton
• Cecil Isbell
• Joe Jacoby
• Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
• Mike Kenn
• Bob Kuechenberg
• George Kunz
• Albert Lewis
• Jim Marshall
• Clay Matthews Jr.
• Steve McMichael
• Eddie Meador
• Stanley Morgan
• Tommy Nobis
• Art Powell
• Sterling Sharpe
• Steve Tasker
• Otis Taylor
• Everson Walls
• Al Wistert

You could argue the case that there are a lot more qualified players in that bunch than those that got in.
Personally I'd have Ellard and Sharpe ahead of Johnson. You could almost argue White Shoes Johnson was just as dynamic in his era than Devin Hester and Ken Anderson, Roger Craig and Everson Walls should have got in long ago.
As for DEs/LBs there'd be a few like for like with Freeney/Peppers/Willis.

Look at how long it took Jerry Kramer to get in. it was like 50 years. One year they just need to have most of the class from the senior list because there are so many deserving on there. and if you are not a first ballot then most of them deserve it over you.

 

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From this years seniors nominations

• Ken Anderson
• Ottis Anderson
• Carl Banks
• Maxie Baughan
• Larry Brown
• Mark Clayton
• Charlie Conerly
• Roger Craig
• Henry Ellard
• Randy Gradishar
• Lester Hayes
• Chris Hinton
• Cecil Isbell
• Joe Jacoby
• Billy "White Shoes" Johnson
• Mike Kenn
• Bob Kuechenberg
• George Kunz
• Albert Lewis
• Jim Marshall
• Clay Matthews Jr.
• Steve McMichael
• Eddie Meador
• Stanley Morgan
• Tommy Nobis
• Art Powell
• Sterling Sharpe
• Steve Tasker
• Otis Taylor
• Everson Walls
• Al Wistert

You could argue the case that there are a lot more qualified players in that bunch than those that got in.
Personally I'd have Ellard and Sharpe ahead of Johnson. You could almost argue White Shoes Johnson was just as dynamic in his era than Devin Hester and Ken Anderson, Roger Craig and Everson Walls should have got in long ago.
As for DEs/LBs there'd be a few like for like with Freeney/Peppers/Willis.

Who would you have ahead of Peppers and why? Julius is a slam dunk first ballot imo.

 

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Those WR's who played all of their career when you could get killed going over the middle.

Leroy Butler getting into the HoF was a great surprise because he kept being overlooked for players like Atwater, Lynch and Dawkins. I had given up hope and just expected he would have to wait till the seniors list. I think it was his final year of eligibility when he finally get in a couple of years ago.

 

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Who would you have ahead of Peppers and why? Julius is a slam dunk first ballot imo.

I'll concede on Peppers, he was a difference maker at all his stops. But I rate Jim Marshall and a shitload of decent OL in that bunch.

 

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Who would you have ahead of Peppers and why? Julius is a slam dunk first ballot imo.

Peppers deserves to be there.

but Willis is a player like Calvin Johnson that i feel didnt play long enough to get in yet. and why i dont think Kuechly gets in next year.

 

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I'll concede on Peppers, he was a difference maker at all his stops. But I rate Jim Marshall and a shitload of decent OL in that bunch.

I think coz Peppers was a quiet sort of guy a lot of people overlook how good his career was. 4th all time in sacks, only player with 150 sacks and at least 10 picks, 13 blocked fgs and extra points which is 2nd all time. 11 sack season as a 38 year old. Freak.

 

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I think coz Peppers was a quiet sort of guy a lot of people overlook how good his career was. 4th all time in sacks, only player with 150 sacks and at least 10 picks, 13 blocked fgs and extra points which is 2nd all time. 11 sack season as a 38 year old. Freak.

Peppers was a quiet guy. He was never a "Look at me" showboat guy. he was quiet and wrecked your shit if you didnt give him attention.

 

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Peppers deserves to be there.

but Willis is a player like Calvin Johnson that i feel didnt play long enough to get in yet. and why i dont think Kuechly gets in next year.

Willis had to wait a few years, I would expect Kuechly to also.

 

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I think coz Peppers was a quiet sort of guy a lot of people overlook how good his career was. 4th all time in sacks, only player with 150 sacks and at least 10 picks, 13 blocked fgs and extra points which is 2nd all time. 11 sack season as a 38 year old. Freak.

Yeah, deservedly in the Hall of Fame.

And with that, a similar argument can be made for Jim Marshall. A member of the Vikings Purple People Eaters. 19 seasons played, 130-ish sacks (before it was an official stat), 30 fumble recoveries, 4 10+ sack seasons, but not in the modern era, sadly.

 

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There was an old site, which I can't find, that rated those not in the Hall of Fame, I wish I could find it.

On the returners argument, one could also make the argument for Mel Gray and Brian Mitchell to go along with Hester.