2024 Rolling ALL-Australian Team

[Trav 20]

Xerri should get the ruck gig

I suppose it depends what you want from your ruckman.

Gawn averages the same hitouts and marginally better hitouts to advantage.

Gawn averages more disposals and effective disposals.

Gawn averages more than double the marks and contested marks.

Gawn has kicked more goals.

But if you prefer tackles and clearances then Xerri is your man. He averages one more clearance (6 to 5) and more tackles.

As for Gawn Versus Marshall ? Gawn gave him one of the biggest thrashings I've ever seen when two good ruckman went head to head. I can give you the stats if you want.

I got this photo from the Saints board after the game:

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Clearly Cameron has been this year...

But here's the thing, he really hasn't been.

Don't get me wrong he's an honest goer and there are worse rucks going around but to say he's the third best ruck going around is simply ludicrous.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Bahahahaha Darcy Cameron. I mean Fmd that’s a genuine pisstake

I always think the selectors like to throw in a couple of absolute pisstakes every year just for s..t and giggles.

Usually they aren't quite as obvious as Rayner and Cameron though

 

[Fadge]

But here's the thing, he really hasn't been.

Don't get me wrong he's an honest goer and there are worse rucks going around but to say he's the third best ruck going around is simply ludicrous.

Maybe watch some games of footy before you make your judgement.

 

[SC_Power]

IN: Jason Horne-Francis, Zak Butters

These 2 have carried Port this season all the way to 2nd on the ladder

They both belong in the AA22

F*** the stats
F*** the player ratings
F*** the media & fan hype
F*** the sheeplike selections

Put ‘em in.

As much as I’d love to agree with you, I don’t think they’ll find a way to get JHF into the 22.
There are just too many mids having outstanding years.

But if they decide on impact and game winning ability and sheer will to generate momentum to winning games, then yeah he’s in the 22.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Darcy Cameron

14

Darcy Cameron

Age

29

Ht

204cm

Wt

103kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

3.5

5star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.3

2star

HB

2.7

3star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

averaged 4.7 intercept possessions a game. Big drop off to Gawn rank 2 (4.0), with another drop off to English rank 3 (3.5) and then Marshall rank 4 (3.3).

Obviously part of that is to do with Cameron staying a kick behind the play while Cox take attacking stoppages as opposed to Cox spending minutes in the ruck unlike other teams, but Cameron still has to get those intercepts.

I'm not entirely sure I'd have picked him ahead of Marshall personally, but I can see the argument.

 

[PhatBoy]

Zac Guthrie lol, shows where you’re at mate, and I watch plenty of footy. I understand my side is not much good and don’t overate players

He’s not at AA level but he’s not far off it. Will be close to BnF in a side that finished third this year. Has been huge this season and pretending he’s not a very good player is basically admitting you’ve hardly watched him play over the last 18 months.

 

[Sea fog]

He’s a game short … 16 is no go apparently

Yes you can miss no more than 7 according to the selectors. Have seen a lot of Taylor this year and he hasn't always been as srong as he was in previous years. He's very good but sometimes gets overrated by reputation. Weitering might get the nods because he's always in the squad.

 

[carlton_99]

Harry McKay? Interesting

In my opinion Jeremy Cameron is the only forward that has had more impact i50 and up the ground as McKay in 2024

 

[Orange crush]

Yes you can miss no more than 7 according to the selectors. Have seen a lot of Taylor this year and he hasn't always been as srong as he was in previous years. He's very good but sometimes gets overrated by reputation. Weitering might get the nods because he's always in the squad.

He was sluggish coming back after that nasty concussion and testicle injury

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Maybe watch some games of footy before you make your judgement.

Hey I get it, you want to defend his inclusion. And like I said I think he's a pretty decent ruck, a real goer who has been very good value pick up for the Pies.

But to say he is the third best ruck in the comp over players like Marshall, Grundy, etc is just bizarre.

Would have been like if the Hawks own Lloyd Meek had of made it. We love Meeksy at the Hawks but none of us realistically think he's the third best ruck in the league!

 

[paulige]

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Maybe total games counted against Izak but stiff.

The hit on Starcevich comes back to bite.

 

[Saintsone]

He’s not at AA level but he’s not far off it. Will be close to BnF in a side that finished third this year. Has been huge this season and pretending he’s not a very good player is basically admitting you’ve hardly watched him play over the last 18 months.

Watched him play, don’t rate him simple

 

[Baudolino]

Darcy Cameron

14

Darcy Cameron

Age

29

Ht

204cm

Wt

103kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

3.5

5star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.3

2star

HB

2.7

3star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

over Marshall is crazy, I really don't get that one.

 

[kreglze]

Flanders and maybe Rowell hard done by from a Suns POV. But we finished quite low down so I am not expecting to get 4 people in the team.

Rayner in there is a laugh though.

 

[PhatBoy]

Watched him play, don’t rate him simple

Yeah. Ok.

 

[Fadge]

Hey I get it, you want to defend his inclusion. And like I said I think he's a pretty decent ruck, a real goer who has been very good value pick up for the Pies.

But to say he is the third best ruck in the comp over players like Marshall, Grundy, etc is just bizarre.

Would have been like if the Hawks own Lloyd Meek had of made it. We love Meeksy at the Hawks but none of us realistically think he's the third best ruck in the league!

By including him in the 2024 AA Squad is not saying 'he's the 3rd best ruck in the comp. It's saying he's been in the top 3 rucks in 2024.

He'll finish second in Collingwood's best and fairest. Where will Grundy come in Sydney's count? Certainly not ahead of Heeney, Warner, Gulden, Rowbottom and Blakey. I haven't watched enough St. Kilda games to know where Marshall will finish in their count, but Buckley did call him out as the unlucky one to miss.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Would be happy if Gov makes it. Would be well deserved but defenders don’t often come from bottom 4 teams.

5 Dockers says a lot. It would have been 6 if Pearce hadn’t got injured. Must have some pretty strong advocacy on the selection panel from someone.

 

[The Jack]

Kane Cornes and St Kilda. Its getting comical. Try arguing with him. It’s impossible.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Strange selection agreed.

Essendon only got the two players selected, Merrett and D'Ambrosio - oh, wait there a minute

Hey that's still 1 more than Adelaide, who's only nominee was Nil (never heard of him but he must be alright).

 

[FreoRicci]

No Rowan Marshall

19

Rowan Marshall

Age

29

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

? Not even in the 40?
Jesus. He was miles better than Gawn.

It’s always reputation these selections

 

[FreoRicci]

Callum Wilkie

44

Callum Wilkie

Age

28

Ht

191cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

221.3

3star

D

12.6

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.6

2star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

223.1

3star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.2

4star

MG

170.0

3star

as well. He’s underrated and actually stood up in an otherwise lean St Kilda season.

 

[FreoRicci]

I suppose it depends what you want from your ruckman.

Gawn averages the same hitouts and marginally better hitouts to advantage.

Gawn averages more disposals and effective disposals.

Gawn averages more than double the marks and contested marks.

Gawn has kicked more goals.

But if you prefer tackles and clearances then Xerri is your man. He averages one more clearance (6 to 5) and more tackles.

As for Gawn Versus Marshall ? Gawn gave him one of the biggest thrashings I've ever seen when two good ruckman went head to head. I can give you the stats if you want.

I got this photo from the Saints board after the game:

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Please stop.
Gawn was well down this season. Melbourne weren’t effective. It’s laughable to suggest Marshall and Xerri didn’t have better season.
It’s all reputation now.
Gawn will probably get captain of the AA team to top it off

 

[SSwans2011]

Flanders and maybe Rowell hard done by from a Suns POV. But we finished quite low down so I am not expecting to get 4 people in the team.

Rayner in there is a laugh though.

Flanders was very stiff. I'd have had him in over a few others, especially given he's shown he can play anywhere and still be very prolific.

 

[Young Redleg]

Please stop.
Gawn was well down this season. Melbourne weren’t effective. It’s laughable to suggest Marshall and Xerri didn’t have better season.
It’s all reputation now.
Gawn will probably get captain of the AA team to top it off

Nah for me Gawn had his best season in a while. I think he gets marked harshly because he's set ridiculously high standards. Not to mention that he absolutely destroyed Marshall when they both went head to head.