USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris

[Chief]

 

[skipper kelly]

I've said my bit. cheers

 

[Chief]

I've said my bit. cheers

Read the post by Gethelred instead of pretending my joke post was the ban reason.

 

[skipper kelly]

Read the post by Gethelred instead of pretending my joke post was the ban reason.

tldr

 

[brutus76]

"In the year 2025 - will the USA survive? Will Joe Biden still be alive? Will Donald replace his wife?"

 

[Engimal v3]

Kamala Harris is paying better odds than Joe Biden to be the next US president on Sportsbet.

 

[peetoo]

Put it this way.

Humphrey in Yes Minister was able to ensure - most of the time - that the Prime Minister was guided towards doing something that was beneficial towards the public service, by presenting a series of options for him. His loyalty being towards the public service(1) and the British Empire (2). As such, he would frequently slow down, block, and make an obstacle of himself towards any policy he thought wasn't beneficial.

In Trump's last run, he kept running into public servants who steadfastly refused to do what he wanted them to do or told him he couldn't do certain things. Think of Mueller and the FBI, the inquests into collusion in 2016; he tried unsuccessfully to impede or prevent those from occurring, only to have public servants he couldn't fire or touch steadfastly do their job. In the final days of his term, he instituted Schedule F which reclassifies almost 80% of these public servants as political appointees; it meant he could dismiss them if they got in his way and he could employ someone who would play ball. It was one of the first things Biden got rid of, because you need that level of expertise within government; you need treasury to have mathematicians and economists used to dealing with government budgets, the DOJ to have experts in the law, law enforcement, constitutional law, the army to have experts in strategy (and so on) and these appointments cannot be purely made along partisan lines.

This is part of why Schedule F and Project 2025 is so terrifying. He didn't do as much damage as he could've last time because he was frequently stymied by that expertise who told him no. Next time, he can fire those people and replace them with Trump loyalists, as Project 2025 specifically discusses Schedule F and contains within it specific lists of people to be placed in specific positions to pull this off.

The next time he claims an election is rigged against him, he can do so knowing he has stacked the FEC with people loyal to him, and can order the army via people loyal to him, with the full knowledge that with the Supreme Court's most recent decision giving him complete immunity for any decision made within the auspices of the office of president. He could refuse to step down after his second term is up, because he categorises his opponent as an enemy of the state.

To state that this is akin to what Dan did in Victoria is... rather silly.

What part of ‘sounds a bit like’ means ‘equates’?

 

[Gethelred]

What part of ‘sounds a bit like’ means ‘equates’?

It's still a silly statement to make.

 

[peetoo]

It's still a silly statement to make.

I stand by it the Victorian PS is terrible right now. But it’s been rotting longer than the andrews govt

 

[FireKrakouer]

Guys there's too much fearmongering going on IMO. During Trump's first term people were worried he would start WW3 or lock all the minorities up in concentration camps or establish a fascist dictatorship but it didn't happen. He was criticised for opposing lockdowns during COVID, aiming to maximise civil liberties. Compare that to Dan Andrews' approach to see real authoritarian behavior.

The whole Project 2025 scare is this election's equivalent of the Russian collusion narrative. Trump's clearly not a devout Christian (likely not a Christian at all) who is out to push extreme religious policies. While Roe v. Wade being overturned due to his SC picks was a dissapointing step backwards, many current concerns are tinfoil-hat tier theories promoted by the MSM and on social media to drive engagement and profit from fear.

 

[Gethelred]

Guys there's too much fearmongering going on IMO. During Trump's first term people were worried he would start WW3 or lock all the minorities up in concentration camps or establish a fascist dictatorship but it didn't happen. He was criticised for opposing lockdowns during COVID, aiming to maximise civil liberties. Compare that to Dan Andrews' approach to see real authoritarian behavior.

The whole Project 2025 scare is this election's equivalent of the Russian collusion narrative. Trump's clearly not a devout Christian (likely not a Christian at all) who is out to push extreme religious policies. While Roe v. Wade being overturned due to his SC picks was a dissapointing step backwards, many current concerns are tinfoil-hat tier theories promoted by the MSM and on social media to drive engagement and profit from fear.

I suppose I'm not terribly convinced that when all these people are holding a crown out, Trump won't take it. While I'd love to think that despite absolutely everything else in his life he has the pettiness to do absolutely nothing with the whole kit and caboodle they're giftwrapping him - using government merely to line his pockets again - I don't think it likely.

They're genuinely offering him an opportunity to become as powerful within the American state as Putin is within Russia, between the current Supreme Court and Project 2025. Do you really think he won't take it with both hands?

 

[bourbons]

Yep, the dude is totally and utterly hilarious.

Not sure just picking the best comedian for POTUS is the way to go, to understate things somewhat.

 

[bourbons]

Correct. It’s a non issue legally speaking but the Democrats seem to think it’s a vote winner.

The truth is everyone knows abortion has not been outlawed and nothing is ever going to change in that space. But it does get the tin foil hatters tiled up.

rofl

I mean if you just ignore every data point provided to you proving thats not the case, yeah sure ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[bourbons]

Calling it a scandal is a bit over the top I think when you consider FOX reporting.

Yep, Biden is indeed cooked but I find the calls of 'scandal' a bit hysterical.

Partisan news org pretends the worst aspects of their preferred candidate don't exist. In other news, water wet and sky blue.

 

[Financialpanther]

Yep, Biden is indeed cooked but I find the calls of 'scandal' a bit hysterical.

Partisan news org pretends the worst aspects of their preferred candidate don't exist. In other news, water wet and sky blue.

Logic doesn't attract eyeballs.

 

[Present Not Past]

Guys there's too much fearmongering going on IMO. During Trump's first term people were worried he would start WW3 or lock all the minorities up in concentration camps or establish a fascist dictatorship but it didn't happen. He was criticised for opposing lockdowns during COVID, aiming to maximise civil liberties. Compare that to Dan Andrews' approach to see real authoritarian behavior.

The whole Project 2025 scare is this election's equivalent of the Russian collusion narrative. Trump's clearly not a devout Christian (likely not a Christian at all) who is out to push extreme religious policies. While Roe v. Wade being overturned due to his SC picks was a dissapointing step backwards, many current concerns are tinfoil-hat tier theories promoted by the MSM and on social media to drive engagement and profit from fear.

Trump saved the worst aspect of his term as President to the very last. His attempt to overturn the results of an election using fake electors.
And if he gets back in he will return to similar behaviour, the same way a dog returns to it's own vomit.

 

[Gough]

Trump saved the worst aspect of his term as President to the very last. His attempt to overturn the results of an election using fake electors.
And if he gets back in he will return to similar behaviour, the same way a dog returns to it's own vomit.

He was pretty willing to allow the execution of Federal prisoners to show what a tough guy he was too.

 

[campbell]

He was pretty willing to allow the execution of Federal prisoners to show what a tough guy he was too.

Also, disbelieves the science of covid, was pushing ivemectin and no masks, when millions were dying.

Thinks Climate Change is not happening.

This man is dangerous for all of us.

 

[swingdog]

One poll but this seems unexpected:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/new-poll-shows-biden-gaining-ground-on-trump-in-battleground-states-despite-disaster-debate/news-story/db4738e2d5f7fb957a5bc225853692df

 

[Chief]

the same way a dog returns to it's own vomit

Sounds like the American people who think another term of Trump would be good.

 

[Chief]

everyone knows abortion has not been outlawed

Except in the states where it is?

 

[Blue1980]

Trump saved the worst aspect of his term as President to the very last. His attempt to overturn the results of an election using fake electors.
And if he gets back in he will return to similar behaviour, the same way a dog returns to it's own vomit.

Trump is saying worse things now and has a bigger team of enablers than 8 years ago.

Also we have actual proof of what he would do by him actually doing it re refusing to accept the results of the election and looking to do fake elector schemes, asking people to find X amount of votes, then wanting Pence to do his bidding on Jan 6 and getting an angry mob to descend upon the capitol.

Thing is if trump gets in and say suspends the 2028 election because he claims some BS about Democrats about to cause violence or teaming up with antifa or something, no doubt all the Trump supporters here will believe it and defend it.

 

[Spearman]

For those who seem to have internet access but don't actually use its minimal capacity for information:

Abortion Laws by State
Here’s how the landscape of abortion stands in states as of June 28 2024, according to information from the Guttmacher Institute:

STATE POLICY EXEMPTIONS DETAILS
Alabama Banned Except in cases where “necessary in order to prevent a serious health risk to the unborn child's mother.”
Alaska No Restriction
Arizona 15 weeks In May, lawmakers repealed an 1864 law that banned nearly all abortions. Current law in the state instead bans abortions after the 15th week of pregnancy. The Civil War-era law could have taken effect this summer, but a recent decision by the state Supreme Court gave Attorney General Kris Mayes more time to decide whether to take further legal action. Mayes’ office said the earliest the law can now take effect is Sept. 26.
Arkansas Banned Except to “save the life of a pregnant woman in a medical emergency.”
California Restricted at viability A constitutional amendment states that “the state shall not deny or interfere with an individual’s reproductive freedom in their most intimate decisions.”
Colorado No Restriction
Connecticut Restricted at viability
Delaware Restricted at viability
District of Columbia No Restriction
Florida Six weeks Except for saving a woman's life. Abortions for pregnancies involving rape or incest are allowed until 15 weeks of pregnancy, provided a woman has documentation such as a restraining order or police report. Health care workers are still prevented from performing an abortion on a nonviable pregnancy that they know may become deadly until it actually becomes deadly. Florida's ban on most abortions after six weeks of pregnancy, before many women even know they are pregnant, went into effect on May 1. However, Floridians will decide whether to enshrine abortion rights into the state constitution through a ballot measure in November.
Georgia Fetal heartbeat, ~six weeks
Hawaii Restricted at viability
Idaho Banned Except in cases of rape or incest reported to law enforcement or when the procedure is “necessary to prevent the death of the pregnant woman.” The Idaho Supreme Court ruled in 2023 that access to abortion is not a fundamental right in the state constitution.
Illinois Restricted at viability
Indiana Banned Limited exceptions for rape, incest, the health of the mother and for cases of lethal fetal anomalies.
Iowa 22 weeks A law approved in July 2023 that would make most abortions illegal after about six weeks was temporarily blocked from being enforced until the state Supreme Court ruled in June 2024 that it could take effect. During an interim period, abortions remain allowed until 22 weeks.
Kansas 22 weeks In an August 2022 statewide referendum, Kansans voted to uphold the right to an abortion.
Kentucky Banned Except when necessary “to prevent the death or substantial risk of death due to a physical condition, or to prevent the serious, permanent impairment of a life-sustaining organ of a pregnant woman.”
Louisiana Banned Except in the case of medical emergency or if the pregnancy is “medically futile.”
Maine Restricted at viability Except in cases where it is necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother or when a physician believes it is medically necessary.
Maryland No Restriction A constitutional amendment that would enshrine the right to an abortion in the state constitution will go before voters in November 2024.
Massachusetts 24 weeks
Michigan No Restriction In 2022, voters enshrined the right to an abortion into the state constitution. The state’s “Reproductive Health Act” recently reduced barriers to abortion access, but laws like the 24-hour waiting period remain in effect.
Minnesota No Restriction Except if they are performed in a hospital or if a physician says it is necessary for the life or health of the mother. As of January 2023, Minnesota law states that “every individual has a fundamental right to make autonomous decisions about the individual’s own reproductive health” in the state.
Mississippi Banned Except when “necessary for the preservation of the mother's life or where the pregnancy was caused by rape” that was reported to law enforcement.
Missouri Banned Except “in cases of medical emergency.”
Montana 15 weeks Several laws passed in 2023 face legal challenges and are temporarily blocked as their legality is debated in court. In late February, a District Court ruling determined that three of the laws are unconstitutional, meaning they will not be enforced. Senate Bill 154: The right to privacy protected by the state constitution does not include the right to an abortion.
Nebraska 12 weeks The current ban became law in 2023, and remains in effect despite ongoing legal battles. After a District Court judge sided against Planned Parenthood, an appeal elevated the case to the state Supreme Court, which heard arguments in March.
Nevada 24 weeks A bill that would put protections for abortion into the state constitution was advanced by lawmakers in 2023. If lawmakers pass it again in 2025, and voters support the measure on the 2026 ballot, it will be added to the state constitution.
New Hampshire 24 weeks
New Jersey No Restriction
New Mexico No Restriction
New York No Restriction In 2024, voters will decide whether to ratify a state constitutional amendment that could add protections for reproductive rights.
North Carolina 12 weeks Except when the life of the pregnant woman is in danger, exceptions for rape or incest through 20 weeks of pregnancy and exceptions for “life-limiting” fetal anomalies through 24 weeks. In September 2023, two provisions in the law were blocked from taking effect, one of which would effectively prohibit all medication abortions in early pregnancies.
North Dakota Banned Except “to terminate a pregnancy that resulted from gross sexual imposition, sexual imposition, sexual abuse of a ward, or incest” or “to prevent the death of the pregnant female.”
Ohio 22 weeks A law that would ban abortion after about six weeks of pregnancy is blocked by a preliminary injunction. Voters enshrined access to abortion into the state constitution in November 2023.
Oklahoma Banned Except when necessary to preserve the life of the woman or if “the pregnancy is the result of rape, sexual assault, or incest that has been reported to law enforcement.” There has been legal debate over when an abortion should be considered “necessary” and who is allowed to make that call. In 2023, the state Supreme Court determined that abortion is legal if a physician says there is a “reasonable” chance that continuing the pregnancy will endanger the woman’s life, striking previous wording that required physicians to have “absolute certainty.” The state Supreme Court ruled that the state constitution protects the “inherent right of a pregnant woman to terminate a pregnancy when necessary to preserve her life.” The high court most recently reiterated that opinion in November.
Oregon No Restriction
Pennsylvania 24 weeks
Rhode Island Restricted at viability
South Carolina Fetal heartbeat, ~six weeks A “fetal heartbeat” bill bans most abortions at around six weeks of pregnancy.
South Dakota Banned Except when “necessary to preserve the life of the pregnant female.”
Tennessee Banned Except when “necessary to prevent the death of the pregnant woman or to prevent serious risk of substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function.” Doctors are allowed to use “reasonable medical judgment” to determine the medical necessity of an abortion to save the mother’s life.
Texas Banned State law allows an abortion to save a mother’s life or prevent serious bodily impairment. A measure that took effect in September 2023 also states that providers who exercise “reasonable medical judgment” in response to ectopic pregnancies or the “previable premature rupture of membranes” can be protected from civil liability and medical board discipline. The Texas Supreme Court in May denied a challenge from women who’d experienced serious pregnancy complications and had sought clarity on legally permissible exceptions to the state’s ban, vacating a lower court’s injunction.
Utah 18 weeks The state has restricted abortions indirectly through a law that prevents abortion clinics from obtaining or renewing licenses to practice. The law was blocked amid legal challenges, but if it does take effect, no clinic will have an active license to operate. Planned Parenthood has argued that nearly all abortions in the state, 95%, are provided through specialized clinics.
Vermont No Restrictions Voters passed Proposal 5 in 2022 via a statewide referendum, which enshrines a right to reproductive freedom in the state’s constitution.
Virginia Third trimester
Washington Restricted at viability
West Virginia Banned Exemptions for rape, incest and when medically necessary to save the life of the mother, applicable up to eight weeks for adults and up to 14 weeks for those under 18.
Wisconsin 22 weeks
Wyoming Restricted at viability Except “when necessary to preserve the woman from a serious risk of death or of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function,” or if the pregnancy is the result of incest or rape. While the state constitution gives adults the right to “make health care decisions,” the “Life is a Human Right Act” passed in 2023 explicitly states “abortion as defined in this act is not health care.” That determination is being challenged in court.

 

[DaTBird187]

And he shoots you dead and he eats your head
And then you're in the man from Mars
You go out at night eatin' cars
You eat Cadillacs, Lincolns too
Mercurys and Subaru
And you don't stop, you keep on eatin' cars
Then, when there's no more cars you go out at night
And eat up bars where the people meet

That makes 100% more sense than anything the two jackasses running have said.

 

[Vindicater]

I am going to be in California the day of the election...

Pray for me.

 

[The Sultan]

I am going to be in California the day of the election...

Pray for me.

I was in Florida for the 2000 election (Bush Jr vs Gore),