Position 2025 Fantasy Defenders

[4tune8]

After Petracca went down in round 13, Rivers averaged 64.5% CBAs, scoring roughly an average of 88 in that time, 10 games in the starting rotation in the midfield. He was pretty close behind Clarry and Viney as the #3.
Id imagine Petracca plays a bit more forward to start the year, maybe a 70/30 split while he gets to full fitness, opening up that spot for Rivers. ANB is also gone from his 20% CBAs, a bit more mid clock up for grabs.

He definitely scored better in the midfield, but its not like its way above where hes priced. Maybe we can put some of that down to being new to the role, and maybe a fully fit Clarry makes it easier for Rivers.

Either way, if in the middle hes value.

Just being at half back isnt enough, gotta be that guy who is the designated kicker, otherwise youre better off being in the middle imo

His value also stems from no early bye and a round 15 mid season bye

 

[bettingonbetts]

After Petracca went down in round 13, Rivers averaged 64.5% CBAs, scoring roughly an average of 88 in that time, 10 games in the starting rotation in the midfield. He was pretty close behind Clarry and Viney as the #3.
Id imagine Petracca plays a bit more forward to start the year, maybe a 70/30 split while he gets to full fitness, opening up that spot for Rivers. ANB is also gone from his 20% CBAs, a bit more mid clock up for grabs.

He definitely scored better in the midfield, but its not like its way above where hes priced. Maybe we can put some of that down to being new to the role, and maybe a fully fit Clarry makes it easier for Rivers.

Either way, if in the middle hes value.

Just being at half back isnt enough, gotta be that guy who is the designated kicker, otherwise youre better off being in the middle imo

He will be a close watch PS to see if he gets middle time with Petracca back.

On another note, been on Dale basically all preseason. Just looked at his run first up, not amazing and gone back to Sinclair. Seems to have a really easy run to start the year and not a bad bye.
What’s everyone think on these two?

 

[stallon]

He will be a close watch PS to see if he gets middle time with Petracca back.

On another note, been on Dale basically all preseason. Just looked at his run first up, not amazing and gone back to Sinclair. Seems to have a really easy run to start the year and not a bad bye.
What’s everyone think on these two?

Im on Dale, only because I think he should average closer to 100. I like the risk/reward.

Sinclair might be affected by the likes of Macrae and Poo taking the midfield clock, and a move more towards NWM being the main guy in d50. Then if Schoenmaker comes in to replace Battle, theyre going to want the ball in his hands a lot too.
Its just risk, albeit small risk, and imo hes got no upside, I want upside in all my players.

 

[Barrybran]

Im on Dale, only because I think he should average closer to 100. I like the risk/reward.

Sinclair might be affected by the likes of Macrae and Poo taking the midfield clock, and a move more towards NWM being the main guy in d50. Then if Schoenmaker comes in to replace Battle, theyre going to want the ball in his hands a lot too.
Its just risk, albeit small risk, and imo hes got no upside, I want upside in all my players.

Are they really going to move more toward NWM? We all thought that would happen last year.

 

[stallon]

Are they really going to move more toward NWM? We all thought that would happen last year.

Idk, but its a risk.
I cant imagine why theyd go more towards Sinclair at least, so theres only downside there for Sinclair imo.

Small risk vs basically no reward is how I see Sinclair.

 

[Barrybran]

Idk, but its a risk.
I cant imagine why theyd go more towards Sinclair at least, so theres only downside there for Sinclair imo.

Small risk vs basically no reward is how I see Sinclair.

I see Sinclair as status quo. I don't think he'll improve or get worse. But I do agree that he'll probably play less midfield and I don't know that he necessarily picks up any of the points left behind by Battle or Bonner. I'm just not sold on NWM either. Someone has to get those points though.

 

[stallon]

I see Sinclair as status quo. I don't think he'll improve or get worse. But I do agree that he'll probably play less midfield and I don't know that he necessarily picks up any of the points left behind by Battle or Bonner. I'm just not sold on NWM either. Someone has to get those points though.

Yes Sinclair more than likely goes at about 100 again, but theres still more risk than there is reward.
There is no upside to picking him, so theres no point.
Hes not a captain option, hes not going to make you cash, hes not going to do anything more than what you paid for which just isnt enough.

As I said, small risk, no reward
Id rather NWM if I had to pick but there is still uncertainty there

Nobody has to get those points from Bonner, they can just disappear, aside from the kickins. Most of his touches were from nothing sideways kicks anyway. If those 15m kicks to him, just for him to bomb it long were done by the guy who originally passed it to Bonner it would make 0 difference in the game.
Im interested to see if Schoenmaker takes many kickins from Bonner- NWM or Sinclair might not get a bump in kickins at all.

 

[bettingonbetts]

Yes Sinclair more than likely goes at about 100 again, but theres still more risk than there is reward.
There is no upside to picking him, so theres no point.
Hes not a captain option, hes not going to make you cash, hes not going to do anything more than what you paid for which just isnt enough.

As I said, small risk, no reward
Id rather NWM if I had to pick but there is still uncertainty there

Nobody has to get those points from Bonner, they can just disappear, aside from the kickins. Most of his touches were from nothing sideways kicks anyway. If those 15m kicks to him, just for him to bomb it long were done by the guy who originally passed it to Bonner it would make 0 difference in the game.
Im interested to see if Schoenmaker takes many kickins from Bonner- NWM or Sinclair might not get a bump in kickins at all.

I agree that he’s not a real big C option so you shouldn’t really pay up for him. But his start is nice and should knock out some pretty consistent 100’s to start with which is nice security

 

[pupstar]

Yes Sinclair more than likely goes at about 100 again, but theres still more risk than there is reward.
There is no upside to picking him, so theres no point.
Hes not a captain option, hes not going to make you cash, hes not going to do anything more than what you paid for which just isnt enough.

As I said, small risk, no reward
Id rather NWM if I had to pick but there is still uncertainty there

Nobody has to get those points from Bonner, they can just disappear, aside from the kickins. Most of his touches were from nothing sideways kicks anyway. If those 15m kicks to him, just for him to bomb it long were done by the guy who originally passed it to Bonner it would make 0 difference in the game.
Im interested to see if Schoenmaker takes many kickins from Bonner- NWM or Sinclair might not get a bump in kickins at all.

I think Sinclair is still going to be a top 6 def at years in so i would have thought you would need him at some stage as long as he doesn't lose a heap of money thought he would be a must. I have always thought it's easier to start them instead of trying to get them in. But only my opinion i have yet to win the CASH SO WHAT WOULD I KNOW.

 

[Corkintheocean]

Yes Sinclair more than likely goes at about 100 again, but theres still more risk than there is reward.
There is no upside to picking him, so theres no point.
Hes not a captain option, hes not going to make you cash, hes not going to do anything more than what you paid for which just isnt enough.

As I said, small risk, no reward
Id rather NWM if I had to pick but there is still uncertainty there

Nobody has to get those points from Bonner, they can just disappear, aside from the kickins. Most of his touches were from nothing sideways kicks anyway. If those 15m kicks to him, just for him to bomb it long were done by the guy who originally passed it to Bonner it would make 0 difference in the game.
Im interested to see if Schoenmaker takes many kickins from Bonner- NWM or Sinclair might not get a bump in kickins at all.

Sinclair's last 4 seasons; 21,22,23,22 games. Part of the payment for him is he gets on the park every week meaning you have one less player to deal with giving you a headache mid week.

He did avg 109 from his final 9 matches last year, so I don't necessarily agree there is no upside.

 

[stallon]

I think Sinclair is still going to be a top 6 def at years in so i would have thought you would need him at some stage as long as he doesn't lose a heap of money thought he would be a must. I have always thought it's easier to start them instead of trying to get them in. But only my opinion i have yet to win the CASH SO WHAT WOULD I KNOW.

Used to be the case, back when we had limited trades years ago. Nowadays most teams are "done" by the end of the mid season byes or just after, theres still at least 8-9 weeks of stuffing around sideways trading and whatever else to try to get the actual top 6 defenders/forwards and top 8 mids

 

[stallon]

Sinclair's last 4 seasons; 21,22,23,22 games. Part of the payment for him is he gets on the park every week meaning you have one less player to deal with giving you a headache mid week.

He did avg 109 from his final 9 matches last year, so I don't necessarily agree there is no upside.

Yeah hes had stretches, but do you think he can do it for the year? and why do you think he can do it for the year? What happened in those 9 matches that was different?

The thing that was different was Bonner was out, except for the few games Sinclair was forced to play big midfield minutes due to injuries.
He also had an 8 tackle game in there lol, if thats his normal 3 tackles then his average in those 9 games drops by a bit. Minor though.

That ordinarily would be enough for me, but the Saints have guys like Schoenmaker and Travaglia to come in.
Schoenmaker in particular seems the ideal type to give kickins to, his kick is better than NWM or Sinclairs imo.

Itll be a watch, but im still not sold :/

 

[Corkintheocean]

Yeah hes had stretches, but do you think he can do it for the year? and why do you think he can do it for the year? What happened in those 9 matches that was different?

The thing that was different was Bonner was out, except for the few games Sinclair was forced to play big midfield minutes due to injuries.
He also had an 8 tackle game in there lol, if thats his normal 3 tackles then his average in those 9 games drops by a bit. Minor though.

That ordinarily would be enough for me, but the Saints have guys like Schoenmaker and Travaglia to come in.
Schoenmaker in particular seems the ideal type to give kickins to, his kick is better than NWM or Sinclairs imo.

Itll be a watch, but im still not sold :/

You're making completely valid points. I'm not 100% sold on starting him but I do see some benefits.

What ususally happens when kids come in is they defer to senior players, so I'd view Schoenmaker and Travaglia playing as a positive for Sinclair he'll be completely in on collecting scraps from them.

I think his role was somewhat blunted early doors last season with Bonner hanging around.

If he is top 6, you likely don't have to burn a trade on him all year, unlike a Whitfield who will score like a top 6 but cop a knock (or a report) and miss weeks somewhere throughout the season. That's also an avenue to completing your team quicker.

The fixtures are great to start as well - Geelong and Richmond at Marvel in Rd 2 & 3 are genuine 140+ opportunities.

 

[Tex Danger]

Is shoenmaker viable D5/6?

I feel like Allen (WC) may be a poor scorer at high price and the upgrade to him may be a play (then a suspected strong bench of Travaglia, El-Hawli)

is he pretty confident as best 22?

Priced at 48 after averaging 58 (72, 52, 49, 60)
Can he match Battles 73 making him a good pick?

I’m interested but maybe lean to it being a bit awkward placed

eg if D6 and one of those bench guys matches him it’s probably a waste

Maybe a play as D5 given uncertainty of value higher up though

 

[Phar Ace]

Sinclair's last 4 seasons; 21,22,23,22 games. Part of the payment for him is he gets on the park every week meaning you have one less player to deal with giving you a headache mid week.

He did avg 109 from his final 9 matches last year, so I don't necessarily agree there is no upside.

Agree with this Corkie - for the moment he is a great placeholder - can trade to pretty much anyone who pops early, and if not, will be a top 6 Defender. He finished off among the best of the Defenders, or close to it, other than perhaps Martin, Whitfield and Newman. Dale and NWM stunk a bit at the end - I know, I had them.

My only point from that really is, at this stage of the year it not hard to make a case for and against anyone - it mostly depends on your predilection. And there is nothing wrong with that either! PS - I have Sinclair at this stage, just to confirm my point

 

[Corkintheocean]

Agree with this Corkie - for the moment he is a great placeholder - can trade to pretty much anyone who pops early, and if not, will be a top 6 Defender. He finished off among the best of the Defenders, or close to it, other than perhaps Martin, Whitfield and Newman. Dale and NWM stunk a bit at the end - I know, I had them.

My only point from that really is, at this stage of the year it not hard to make a case for and against anyone - it mostly depends on your predilection. And there is nothing wrong with that either! PS - I have Sinclair at this stage, just to confirm my point

I have him too and trying to justify his existence in my side (hence the long winded replies)