2025 player moves - ins and outs

[Carn The Berries]

Add a few others to this. Balwyn, Vermont, probably east ringwood now. Balwyn's last two coaches probably on $75k+

For south belgrave. Height's been a mercenary himself outside his whitefriars stints, one stint where he was 'working' a couple of days a week at the school doing sweet F all and getting paid. He would know how to sell it. I'd be worried if I was WF, he'd be after their best offering $$$$$ legit or not

I'm pretty sure he was a teacher at the school for a number of years and was head of the PE department for at least a couple, as well as teaching science. Not exactly the sort of roles that would be given to someone "phoning it in" under and circumstances.

 

[Carn The Berries]

The points cap is objectively not doing the job it was designed for.

When it was introduced (along with the salary cap) the stated aim was to encourage building from juniors, hence the huge discount (1 point) for home players).

But with the points at 47, it’s almost totally irrelevant.

Nearly every player in the state in 3 points. And after just one season they’re 2 points.

This is a perfectly acceptable mix that still has you under the limit:

8x 3 pointers
8x 2 pointers
6x 1 pointers

How can having just 6 homegrown players of 22 be within the rules if they want to encourage growth from juniors?

And that squad will drop by 16 points next year, so even more room to go buying players.

This is how the likes of South Belgrave operate.

The total is too high

Dropping every player by 1 point every year is too much. Maybe they could drop a point every second year? I don’t know.

The biggest issue, as it so often is, is with the leagues. They are narrow empires-building operations that do not want any of these measures because they want their league to be better than the league next door. When really, who gives a ****?

The one point annual discount is the biggest issue with the entire system in my opinion. It does absolutely nothing to promote genuine loyalty to a club. Happy for a player to get knocked down by a point after 3 years, but that should be it.

Until that's fixed, the system won't work.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

Dropping every player by 1 point every year is too much. Maybe they could drop a point every second year? I don’t know.

Three years is a decent enough showing of loyalty, not one.
Drop a player's points tally by one each year from the fourth consecutive season onwards until it reaches two.

 

[localfootylegend23]

I'm pretty sure he was a teacher at the school for a number of years and was head of the PE department for at least a couple, as well as teaching science. Not exactly the sort of roles that would be given to someone "phoning it in" under and circumstances.

Happy to be proven wrong, just not what I heard in the division 2 years.
Mentioned earlier he claimed that the new players had "links" to the club and thats why they moved. Pissing down our backs and saying its raining there. Huge cash more like it.

 

[thefunnelweb]

The one point annual discount is the biggest issue with the entire system in my opinion. It does absolutely nothing to promote genuine loyalty to a club. Happy for a player to get knocked down by a point after 3 years, but that should be it.

Until that's fixed, the system won't work.

When loyalty is spoken about if a player is offered money at another club call it “market value” is it then not loyalty from the local club to say maybe we have been under paying you and under valuing you because you were home grown talent?? So we will match the “market value” or should it be on the player to play for under market value? (Also taking into consideration you know nothing about the players financial situation or motivation behind moving)

 

[Nvent]

I haven't seen a club being done for breech of the cap, it may have happened but I haven't seen it. The point system is where clubs have been caught out. In my view, the points should be decreased even further. The salary cap can't be policed as there are too many loopholes.

Points need to be reviewed. Juniors recruited from other clubs should incur a much higher rate to be some kind of deterrent.

Also the cap has to be much more scrutinised. I’m sure administrators can see previous payments and it wouldn’t be that hard to spot a glaring rort. Players on big money previously don’t all turn up to the same club for well under what they were getting.

 

[champp53]

Points need to be reviewed. Juniors recruited from other should incur a much higher rate to be some kind of deterrent.

Also the cap has to be much more scrutinised. I’m sure administrators can see previous payments and it wouldn’t be that hard to spot a glaring rort. Players on big money previously don’t all turn up to the same club for well under what they were getting.

I believe the nature of some payments makes it extremely hard to prove. Most of them are paid outside salary cap by other means such as employment.

 

[Nvent]

I believe the nature of some payments makes it extremely hard to prove. Most of them are paid outside salary cap by other means such as employment.

Employment well that is tough and to be fair reasonable.

The glaring ones are players on $900 and club hopping then move to a club an hour away and put down $250.

 

[champp53]

Employment well that is tough and to be fair reasonable.

The glaring ones are players on $900 and club hopping then move to a club an hour away and put down $250.

That would be the old “ mates at the club” chestnut

 

[eflreceiver]

I believe the nature of some payments makes it extremely hard to prove. Most of them are paid outside salary cap by other means such as employment.

You can buy a player a car, a pool, a spa and it’s legit.

 

[Nvent]

That would be the old “ mates at the club” chestnut

Yes agreed. So obvious it’s stupid yet clubs continue to get away with it. Truely believe the powers above just turn their heads saying I’m not touching that.

 

[Squib]

When loyalty is spoken about if a player is offered money at another club call it “market value” is it then not loyalty from the local club to say maybe we have been under paying you and under valuing you because you were home grown talent?? So we will match the “market value” or should it be on the player to play for under market value? (Also taking into consideration you know nothing about the players financial situation or motivation behind moving)

Loyalty now is at an absolute low point. When junior coaches, I’m talking about 17.5 and below, are actively chasing the best players from rival clubs via phone call’s, what hope do senior clubs have when this occurs?! Clubs are loosing whole age groups after their better players are lured away, the rest jump ship, no one wants to lose so kids bail to stronger teams. A club with 2 teams in every age group at max numbers, yet their 2 neighbouring clubs can barely get a side on the park. Fix that, and then kids learn loyalty. IMO, it’s gone for the most part.
Pay local kids their value, anything less is disrespectful and taking the piss. Doesn’t have to be exhorborant, just make their loyalty worth something.

 

[Th3B1gD0g]

Norwood have signed Mitch Hardie from Geelong VFL, great player but can’t see him playing many more than 2-3 games for Norwood?

 

[Nvent]

Loyalty now is at an absolute low point. When junior coaches, I’m talking about 17.5 and below, are actively chasing the best players from rival clubs via phone call’s, what hope do senior clubs have when this occurs?! Clubs are loosing whole age groups after their better players are lured away, the rest jump ship, no one wants to lose so kids bail to stronger teams. A club with 2 teams in every age group at max numbers, yet their 2 neighbouring clubs can barely get a side on the park. Fix that, and then kids learn loyalty. IMO, it’s gone for the most part.
Pay local kids their value, anything less is disrespectful and taking the piss. Doesn’t have to be exhorborant, just make their loyalty worth something.

I believe that junior transfers have to be canned also. Sorry Little Johnny you live 100 meters from Lilydale oval your not getting cleared to East Ringwood Under 14’s.

 

[Squib]

I believe that junior transfers have to be canned also. Sorry Little Johnny you live 100 meters from Lilydale oval your not getting cleared to East Ringwood Under 14’s.

I’m not sure that’s the answer. Kids are fickle these days and more likely to just not play if that’s the case. Then lost to football all together. The transfer system is flawed. Only a few can move to a rival club unless the side falls over, then it’s a free for all. Which more often happens.
And ultimately kids want to play with mates, that I absolutely get. Not sure what the solution is but massive clubs with 45+ in every age group while up the road has 6 teams in total, isn’t good.