2025 Pre-Season chat

[Cataholic]

Pre-mod days I used to switch off from BF for a couple of months at this time of year...

I've had conversations with others over recent years, spoken about my own experiences of things and how taking a break to enjoy the sun or time away isn't the worse option if ones finding the lack of new footy talk to be getting the better of them

At this time of year it really can become a that never ending thread of "don't mention the war" as we seem to discuss the same shit on repeat

The lack of footy action means less subject variety and a far stronger tendency to look backwards.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Pre-mod days I used to switch off from BF for a couple of months at this time of year...

I've had conversations with others over recent years, spoken about my own experiences of things and how taking a break to enjoy the sun or time away isn't the worse option if ones finding the lack of new footy talk to be getting the better of them

At this time of year it really can have a that never ending thread of "don't mention the war" as we seem to discuss the same shit on repeat

 

[Mr Meow]

The lack of footy action means less subject variety and a far stronger tendency to look backwards.

Yes, it's truly mind blowing that our 2025 pre-season thread involves a dissection of players 2024 performances and their capability to play in 2025.

If only we were discussing the 2030 draft prospects instead.

 

[Cataholic]

How so? This is the exact same thing that happens all year round. Generally it's split into "this is the vibe" types and those who bring facts to the discussion.

Nobody is forcing you to engage, or even read it. People disagree and (ideally) present points that support their argument. Which IMHO is a more interesting contribution than the post you just made above, which doesn't discuss football at all.

If people are calling time on players careers they should be prepared to read arguments to the contrary and simply challenge the content of those posts on their merit.

Yep, happens every year.

Doesn't mean the quality of discussion improves any.

Nope, no-one forced me to engage or read it.

I merely observed that the discussion is triggering people and the discussion here would be less strained if we had a real footy to discuss.

I didn't profess to discuss footy in my original post. I simply observed and commented on the state of affairs in this thread right now.

I'm happy to entertain arguments as to Duncan's longevity and have indicated so in previous posts.

I've admired him as a player and don't see an acknowledgement that he is waning as being so controversial.

 

[Cataholic]

Yes, it's truly mind blowing that our 2025 pre-season thread involves a dissection of players 2024 performances and their capability to play in 2025.

If only we were discussing the 2030 draft prospects instead.

Who's doing that??

Discussion of Duncan's performance has obviously considered his 2024 performance and his ageing as a predictor of his 2025 performance.

Naturally there's a variation in interpretation.

 

[Mr Meow]

Yep, happens every year.

Doesn't mean the quality of discussion improves any.

Nope, no-one forced me to engage or read it.

I merely observed that the discussion is triggering people and the discussion here would be less strained if we had a tual footy to discuss.

I didn't profess to discuss footy in my original post. I simply observed and commented on the state of affairs in this thread right now.

I'm happy to entertain arguments as to Duncan's longevity and have indicated so in previous posts.

I've admired him as a player and don't see an acknowledgement that he is waning as being so controversial.

I just fail to see the point of attempting to shut down or complain about discussion. The topic is still about one of our players and people are free to ignore such discussions if they offend them, or else the moderators will act if anyone steps over the line.

Coming in simply to say "geez this isn't great, bring on footy as I'm not enjoying anything I'm reading here" is about as pointless as it gets. I would much rather the comments calling time on Duncan's career, and replies contesting or endorsing that, than some bizarre social commentary about whether the conversations are topical or pleasant.

Arguments from both sides around any GFC content should be welcomed and uncensored.

 

[Mr Meow]

Who's doing that??

Discussion of Duncan's performance has obviously considered his 2024 performance and his ageing as a predictor of his 2025 performance.

Naturally there's a variation in interpretation.

Discussion of Duncan or any other player and their capacity to play seniors in 2025 is entirely appropriate for this thread. They are relevant talking points and people can provide their points of view on whether said players will be useful or not. Just because I've said Duncan isn't completely useless/cooked yet doesn't mean I'm attempting to censor those who have an opposite view. I'm merely bringing a few points that support my position.

So again the comments like "geez we need the season to start" or "you need to stop, you're only making us criticise Duncan more" (Tony Barber's comment) are just nothing contributions IMO.

 

[Mr Meow]

I've admired him as a player and don't see an acknowledgement that he is waning as being so controversial.

Nobody has said Duncan remains at his absolute peak or has no age-related weaknesses though. What people seem to find controversial is the idea that (supported by statistics), Duncan's ball use has remained proficient, and that for most of the season his output was strong before a disappointing end. The decline in his agility, speed and reaction time is obvious but it does not mean his output with the ball was redundant. People are free to disagree. But let's not condense arguments into black and white extremes, when the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Also, nobody has accused others of disrespecting Duncan's overall career. If they say so, they are creating a strawman argument. The discussion is entirely on what he brings as a veteran.

 

[Cataholic]

I just fail to see the point of attempting to shut down or complain about discussion. The topic is still about one of our players and people are free to ignore such discussions if they offend them, or else the moderators will act if anyone steps over the line.

Coming in simply to say "geez this isn't great, bring on footy as I'm not enjoying anything I'm reading here" is about as pointless as it gets. I would much rather the comments calling time on Duncan's career, and replies contesting or endorsing that, than some bizarre social commentary about whether the conversations are topical or pleasant.

Arguments from both sides around any GFC content should be welcomed and uncensored.

Never once tried to shut down the discussion, or censor it.

I merely observed that the discussion was getting heated and the thread / board would be better off if we had actual footy to discuss.

Nope, not an actual observation of footy, or a critical analysis of footy per se....just a simple but 'bizarre' observation of this thread in this moment of time was all.

 

[cats_09]

Discussion of Duncan or any other player and their capacity to play seniors in 2025 is entirely appropriate for this thread. They are relevant talking points and people can provide their points of view on whether said players will be useful or not. Just because I've said Duncan isn't completely useless/cooked yet doesn't mean I'm attempting to censor those who have an opposite view. I'm merely bringing a few points that support my position.

So again the comments like "geez we need the season to start" or "you need to stop, you're only making us criticise Duncan more" (Tony Barber's comment) are just nothing contributions IMO.

I guess that depends on your interpretation of "2025 Pre-Season Chat"

If we're using this thread in the same manner as previous pre-season discussions, then the focus really should be about what's happening as part of the pre-season - training, injuries, who's smashing down the door etc

If the focus of your discussion is about a players prospects during the 2025 season, it would actually be more suitable for discussion in a thread about what our best 23 may look like - such as in the following thread

Strategy - Best 23, Post Draft edition for Season 2025 (updated)

I know this may seem early, but looking back 12 months, we're kicking this thread off a good 6 weeks later than we did last year Our initial list changes are in and the trade period complete; as things currently stand the confirmed changes are: Retirements: Foster Hawkins Tuohy Senior list...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Cataholic]

Discussion of Duncan or any other player and their capacity to play seniors in 2025 is entirely appropriate for this thread. They are relevant talking points and people can provide their points of view on whether said players will be useful or not. Just because I've said Duncan isn't completely useless/cooked yet doesn't mean I'm attempting to censor those who have an opposite view. I'm merely bringing a few points that support my position.

So again the comments like "geez we need the season to start" or "you need to stop, you're only making us criticise Duncan more" (Tony Barber's comment) are just nothing contributions IMO.

My comment that 'we need the season to start' was just a light hearted observation to ease the tension that I observed in here.

That's all.

Nothing personal or deeper than that.

 

[Tony Barber]

Discussion of Duncan or any other player and their capacity to play seniors in 2025 is entirely appropriate for this thread. They are relevant talking points and people can provide their points of view on whether said players will be useful or not. Just because I've said Duncan isn't completely useless/cooked yet doesn't mean I'm attempting to censor those who have an opposite view. I'm merely bringing a few points that support my position.

So again the comments like "geez we need the season to start" or "you need to stop, you're only making us criticise Duncan more" (Tony Barber's comment) are just nothing contributions IMO.

If you're going to quote me. Quote me correctly please.
You have a serious case of the grumps with everyone. I know this time of year brings that out in people, but I hope you're ok.

 

[Mr Meow]

I guess that depends on your interpretation of "2025 Pre-Season Chat"

If we're using this thread in the same manner as previous pre-season discussions, then the focus really should be about what's happening as part of the pre-season - training, injuries, who's smashing down the door etc

If the focus of your discussion is about a players prospects during the 2025 season, it would actually be more suitable for discussion in a thread about what our best 23 may look like - such as in the following thread

Strategy - Best 23, Post Draft edition for Season 2025 (updated)

I know this may seem early, but looking back 12 months, we're kicking this thread off a good 6 weeks later than we did last year Our initial list changes are in and the trade period complete; as things currently stand the confirmed changes are: Retirements: Foster Hawkins Tuohy Senior list...

www.bigfooty.com

What if Duncan's smashing down the door, training or injured?

But yeah even if the whole discussion was moved there, I think we'd have had the same social commentary on tension and conversational discourse as opposed to simply adding to the topic being discussed.

 

[Mr Meow]

If you're going to quote me. Quote me correctly please.
You have a serious case of the grumps with everyone. I know this time of year brings that out in people, but I hope you're ok.

Please refrain from such a pathetic and patronising reach.

If you're annoyed at what I say, simply contest it and offer something to support your point of view.

You were one small step away from saying "R U OK, I'm here if you need a cuddle" which is actually disrespectful of people who may be suffering mental health issues.

 

[Mr Meow]

My comment that 'we need the season to start' was just a light hearted observation to ease the tension that I observed in here.

That's all.

Nothing personal or deeper than that.

Tension? It's just a few people discussing football, robust or otherwise. If moderation is needed we have the suitable people to administer it. Or else all we are talking about is how people are talking about things...instead of actually chatting about football (which is what was happening).

 

[cats_09]

Just as the players are on holidays & taking a break from pre-season, seems like it'd be a good option here also

As discusssion has clearly moved away from football, thread will be locked for 24 hours


We know we aren't all going too agree on everything (be pretty boring if we did) but at the moment it seems that we all need to chill & just take a step back

The Boxing Day test looks like it'll go into day 5, so maybe sit back on the couch tomorrow & enjoy day 4 of the test

 

[dazbroncos]

Some posters need more sun.

And this is a great time to go get it.

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