Training 2025 Pre-Season Thread

[briztoon]

Rightio champ

Even if there is a bit of mayo, the point that Ross Lyon has previously made about clubs limited ability to have access to its players still stand even if it isn;t all training. The point still stands that all players get absurd periods of time off when they are "full time" compared to any other livliehood but I didn't realise that even at a minimum of 15 weeks annual leave is normal even if they have to do some training to keep fit - like what a lot people do anyway by exercising minimum of one hour per day.

 

[KissKiss]

This is why I dislike Kane Cornes. He gives the illusion of someone who puts across intelligent alternative views, but in his rush to do so glosses over the details. Like the assumption that players do no work in their breaks, just because they have the temerity to actually enjoy their leave in the snow or wherever.

That is half the problem with Kane. He is incredibly informed and fairly intelligent around these topics. He's a fair step above most other footy journos as well in his work rate. But he deliberately targets so much of his time and energy into making it as clickbait controversy as possible. And it works incredibly well for him, he gets a lot of well paying jobs from playing the outrage merchant. He could be better but it wont pay as well

 

[p4p1]

Rightio champ

Even if there is a bit of mayo, the point that Ross Lyon has previously made about clubs limited ability to have access to its players still stand even if it isn;t all training. The point still stands that all players get absurd periods of time off when they are "full time" compared to any other livliehood but I didn't realise that even at a minimum of 15 weeks annual leave is normal even if they have to do some training to keep fit - like what a lot people do anyway by exercising minimum of one hour per day.

Is the argument that the job is a 7 days per week job for the pre-season and season months?
2 extra days over a 35 weeks period is about 15 weeks. They're obviously compensated pretty well for it but the sacrifices that they have to make during the season, dieting, no drinking etc. is something that is not needed in other jobs.

 

[Nunez]

Rightio champ

Even if there is a bit of mayo, the point that Ross Lyon has previously made about clubs limited ability to have access to its players still stand even if it isn;t all training. The point still stands that all players get absurd periods of time off when they are "full time" compared to any other livliehood but I didn't realise that even at a minimum of 15 weeks annual leave is normal even if they have to do some training to keep fit - like what a lot people do anyway by exercising minimum of one hour per day.

Are you Dylan12?

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Even if there is a bit of mayo, the point that Ross Lyon has previously made about clubs limited ability to have access to its players still stand even if it isn;t all training. The point still stands that all players get absurd periods of time off when they are "full time" compared to any other livliehood but I didn't realise that even at a minimum of 15 weeks annual leave is normal even if they have to do some training to keep fit - like what a lot people do anyway by exercising minimum of one hour per day.

This seems to be a regular bugbear of those in upper management. "Let me have more control". Guess what, if you're a club outside finals and you're putting in more hours to condition your players and getting poorer results, I don't think even more contact is going to improve things. It's a job where several aspects of your life are still quite regimented. Even if you're not legally allowed to dictate to player what they eat or how much they exercise away from the club, that player is less likely to get picked if they lack the conditioning that testing those boundaries would bring on. I'd hazard a guess that all these entitlements are on par with most major sporting professions around the world, with a few outliers perhaps.

Kane's point in that video is the the game would be better served by players being fitter, that you'd get a better product, then in the same breath he would reduce interchange? What's the effect of that going to be I wonder?

All this is classic talkback radio shtick along the lines of "why do teachers get 10 weeks leave a year (or whatever it is) and still have the nerve to claim they're underpaid?". Walk a mile in their shoes and then tell us if you think it's unfair.

And, come on, by honest with yourself... you love to get worked up.

 

[mighty_lions]

FIFO workers make way bigger big sacrifices, actually they make more with the exception of the dieting and so do many other professions, but the way Dangerfield, AFLPA and the like act, its as if players are doing it tough.

this is such an irrelevant argument, you are comparing apples to oranges, FIFO don't have the general public analysing there performance/conditioning every week and they are not public figures

If you listened to the entire segment it was in relation to have access to players to be in the best possible condition to prevent injuries, even if the clubs got more access to the players it would only be marginally more anyway

We played 27 games last year across 30 weeks, I think they are entitled to their break, maybe the Christmas/new year could be shortened

 

[mighty_lions]

This seems to be a regular bugbear of those in upper management. "Let me have more control". Guess what, if you're a club outside finals and you're putting in more hours to condition your players and getting poorer results, I don't think even more contact is going to improve things. It's a job where several aspects of your life are still quite regimented. Even if you're not legally allowed to dictate to player what they eat or how much they exercise away from the club, that player is less likely to get picked if they lack the conditioning that testing those boundaries would bring on. I'd hazard a guess that all these entitlements are on par with most major sporting professions around the world, with a few outliers perhaps.

Kane's point in that video is the the game would be better served by players being fitter, that you'd get a better product, then in the same breath he would reduce interchange? What's the effect of that going to be I wonder?

All this is classic talkback radio shtick along the lines of "why do teachers get 10 weeks leave a year (or whatever it is) and still have the nerve to claim they're underpaid?". Walk a mile in their shoes and then tell us if you think it's unfair.

And, come on, by honest with yourself... you love to get worked up.

The point on interchange was the caller suggested more on the bench/more rotations, a higher impact game will increase injuries this was kanes point which is probably accurate

 

[p4p1]

FIFO workers make way bigger big sacrifices, actually they make more with the exception of the dieting and so do many other professions, but the way Dangerfield, AFLPA and the like act, its as if players are doing it tough.

FIFO workers on 1:1 swings get 6 months of the year off, FIFO workers on 2:1 swings get 4 months of the year off etc.
Guys on a 6:1 swing should be accruing 3 hours of annual leave for every 38 hours they work. If they are working 13 12 hour shifts every fortnight they should be accruing 36ish hours of leave per shift. There is 7 and half 6:1 shifts per year. Which is a total of 7 weeks annual leave, on top of the 7 weeks they get off already, so 14 weeks off.

 

[mighty_lions]

Even if you don't agree with that argument, how about CEO's then or any number of government officials or lackeys' with many that are public figures particularly in the AFR as an example. Sure there conditioning isn't questioned, but there performance is and no doubt to a higher standard or at the least accountable to boards and shareholders on a very regular basis. Where's there 20 weeks holidays then?

And let's be honest, if you want to bring the AFL W into this, then no one dare talk about conditioning or questioning their physique b/c thats clearly now a precious and sensitive issue.

the aflW don't get paid anywhere near CEO's so not sure what your point is

CEO's do not get critiqued by the general public anywhere near players, there's no talk back radio to discuss there weekly performance and most live anonymously to the general public apart from high profile ones, no one I know has ever gone to me, how about x CEO he had a shocker today should drop him and its irrelevant anyway

 

[Nunez]

Even if you don't agree with that argument, how about CEO's then or any number of government officials or lackeys' with many that are public figures particularly in the AFR as an example. Sure there conditioning isn't questioned, but there performance is and no doubt to a higher standard or at the least accountable to boards and shareholders on a very regular basis. Where's there 20 weeks holidays then?

And let's be honest, if you want to bring the AFL W into this, then no one dare talk about conditioning or questioning their physique b/c thats clearly now a precious and sensitive issue.

You're the one triggered by it. So bizarre Dylan.

 

[Elixuh]

I liked this thread better when ya’ll were talking about politics.

 

[Perrip]

Y'all got anymore of that Lions pre-season content?

 

[Dalions]

Y'all got anymore of that Lions pre-season content?

Na!

 

[Nunez]

What on earth are you on about. Triggered by what exactly?

Whenever I have an opinion on anything, you always come in with your bully boy posts and your usual suspect mates always pile in. Big deal, just block me hero

If you want to share shitty hot takes, you can't be shocked or surprised people call you out.

 

[Mayestro]

Y'all got anymore of that Lions pre-season content?

Bodes well for the future that we’ve won the flag but have such highly rated youth.

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Who has the best youngsters in the AFL? Your club’s under-23s ranked​

3. Brisbane Lions​

The Lions are rich in talent right through their list, and their younger demographic is no different. Father-son arrival Levi Ashcroft makes this group even stronger, adding to a nucleus that includes his Norm Smith Medal-winning brother Will and premiership players Kai Lohmann, Darcy Wilmot, Jaspa Fletcher and Logan Morris. Lohmann had a Norm Smith Medal case, too, and flourished this past season after Jack Gunston returned to Hawthorn, while Morris was a surprise packet in his debut year as a No.31 draft pick. Snaring Wilmot and Lohmann at No.16 and 20 respectively in the 2021 draft was shrewd recruiting.
Already a star: Will Ashcroft. Star upside: Lohmann, Levi Ashcroft.

Will Ashcroft won the 2024 Norm Smith medal.CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES

Brisbane’s under-23s (16)​

Kai Lohmann, James Tunstill, Darcy Wilmot, Henry Smith, Jaspa Fletcher, Darcy Craven, Sam Marshall, Reece Torrent, Levi Ashcroft, Shadeau Brain, Will McLachlan, Zane Zakostelsky, Will Ashcroft, Ty Gallop, Luke Lloyd, Logan Morris.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Bodes well for the future that we’ve won the flag but have such highly rated youth.

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Who has the best youngsters in the AFL? Your club’s under-23s ranked​

Pretty good balance within that group of rucks, talls, 3rd talls, inside and outside midfielders

Another key back would balance it up even better

 

[buttermuffs]

Even if you don't agree with that argument, how about CEO's then or any number of government officials or lackeys' with many that are public figures particularly in the AFR as an example. Sure there conditioning isn't questioned, but there performance is and no doubt to a higher standard or at the least accountable to boards and shareholders on a very regular basis. Where's there 20 weeks holidays then?

And let's be honest, if you want to bring the AFL W into this, then no one dare talk about conditioning or questioning their physique b/c thats clearly now a precious and sensitive issue.

I think the Ashes has shown that professional critique of women player’s fitness is perfectly acceptable. The English team are getting pantsed and in classic English fashion don’t want to be accountable to their shit cricket. Haven’t seen anyone else disagree with the criticism.

Unfortunately for women they could be playing world class and still be shamed if they don’t look an acceptable way. Prespakis is a good example.

There’s some Freo nuffie on Facebook who does nothing but fat shame Sean Darcy and it’s clearly toxic.

 

[Perrip]

Team photo got done today. Keen to see it.

 

[p4p1]

The point on interchange was the caller suggested more on the bench/more rotations, a higher impact game will increase injuries this was kanes point which is probably accurate

It feels like the AFL is dammed if they do, dammed if they don't with the rotations.
if they seriously limited rotations so footy was closer to the old days the complaint would be that more fatigued players are more likely to be injured.
Allow more rotations, have the players playing a higher impact game and have injuries increased.

 

[Perrip]

Team photo got done today. Keen to see it.

Tease

 

[briztoon]

Bodes well for the future that we’ve won the flag but have such highly rated youth.

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Who has the best youngsters in the AFL? Your club’s under-23s ranked​

Seeing as I can't jump the wall, can you list the clubs in order please.

 

[briztoon]

I'm still trying to workout where the players are getting 20 weeks off.

I work a 9 day fortnight, is someone going to count those 26 Fridays as time off? Because I don't get paid for those days off.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Call me out for what having a discussion about something.

You’re the one making childish references to something I’ve NFI what your on about.

Again, block me if you’re so insulted by any of my views or posts. I’m more than happy for anyone to correct me or to even change me views if someone has a differing opinion after a discussion but at least I’m not calling people names when I don’t know what your on about.

Genuine question, not meaning to have a go at you: Has anyone ever changed your views? I know we all have our own opinions, our values, our own hills to die on, but yours seem firmer than most people's.

 

[Perrip]

Quality content here.

Brisbane Lions [Instagram]: Recently

 

[thewatcher08]

Rightio champ

Even if there is a bit of mayo, the point that Ross Lyon has previously made about clubs limited ability to have access to its players still stand even if it isn;t all training. The point still stands that all players get absurd periods of time off when they are "full time" compared to any other livliehood but I didn't realise that even at a minimum of 15 weeks annual leave is normal even if they have to do some training to keep fit - like what a lot people do anyway by exercising minimum of one hour per day.

I get 26 weeks off a year as a full time employee and I don't do a single work related thing in my time off.
So it's not absurd compared to "any other livelihood", just mundane run of the mill ones.