List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread

[The Phantom]

He hasn't performed better then Naughton has to date.
Naughtons 4th season 2021 is better then Jamarahs 4th year 2024.
And Naughton didn't have the support then that Darcy and JUH have in large thanks to Naughton.

And Naughton is a pack buster, Jamarah is different in his approach.

Jamara is far more threatening up forward. And a better shot on goal.

If an oppo coach could choose one to be unavailable to coach against, they’d choose Jamara every time.

 

[Apex36]

English is on big coin. But they lost Smith, McCrae and Daniels who were on big coin. I personally think it is hard to judge how tight their cap is because they lost a lot of players on big coin.

They’d have known and been planning around Smith leaving for a good 12 months, and he was out of contract, so it wasn’t so much shedding a contract with him as his was already done. Macrae and Daniel are interesting ones, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were paying some of Daniels contract in particular given the unexpectedly good trade return they got for him.

Regardless though I still think their cap will be looking exceptionally tight. Darcy will be getting monstrous offers from other clubs and although the dogs won’t need to match them, they’ll still have to stump up an exceptionally large deal to retain him. I don’t think they’d be in a position to match a band 1 offer for Richards tbh.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

He hasn't performed better then Naughton has to date.
Naughtons 4th season 2021 is better then Jamarahs 4th year 2024.
And Naughton didn't have the support then that Darcy and JUH have in large thanks to Naughton.

And Naughton is a pack buster, Jamarah is different in his approach.

Naughton is underrated because of his kicking. He is one of the hardest working tall forwards in the game and covers more ground then 95% of them. He would be perfect for us because of his pressure and work rate. Aa good as JUH could be I would prefer Naughton if I could pick one.

 

[loki04]

Jamara is far more threatening up forward. And a better shot on goal.

If an oppo coach could choose one to be unavailable to coach against, they’d choose Jamara every time.

Yet he's not only kicked less goals then Naughton he's had less shots on goal then him. With both being at same stage of career.

Imo JUH lead and Mark style game is much easier to plan for then Nuaghton who is both capable on lead and as a contested marking pack buster.

 

[Exambolor]

Richards might be more gettable now, Dogs can’t fit everyone in salary cap wise, and how long is he gonna bide his time waiting for Libba and Treloar to retire? And they need to extend Bont when the time comes. Jamarra might want to depart too

12 years worth of contract combined for two forwards….. but Darcy is a gun and 100% deserves it FWIW

Four more years of Darcy

The gun forward has committed his long-term future to the Club.

www.westernbulldogs.com.au

 

[Jen2310]

Richards might be more gettable now, Dogs can’t fit everyone in salary cap wise, and how long is he gonna bide his time waiting for Libba and Treloar to retire? And they need to extend Bont when the time comes. Jamarra might want to depart too

12 years worth of contract combined for two forwards….. but Darcy is a gun and 100% deserves it FWIW

Four more years of Darcy

The gun forward has committed his long-term future to the Club.

www.westernbulldogs.com.au

What do you mean? He has been playing as a mid.. I don't think he needs to wait.

 

[Exambolor]

What do you mean? He has been playing as a mid.. I don't think he needs to wait.

Not full time though, as a DEF/MID, he’s definitely good enough to be a full time onballer, problem is Treloar and Libba can’t play any other position….

 

[The Phantom]

Yet he's not only kicked less goals then Naughton he's had less shots on goal then him. With both being at same stage of career.

Imo JUH lead and Mark style game is much easier to plan for then Nuaghton who is both capable on lead and as a contested marking pack buster.

How many games did each play to the same stage?
Jamara was certainly held back early.

 

[Apex36]

How many games did each play to the same stage?
Jamara was certainly held back early.

Naughton played immediately but he was played as a defender in his first year, so his goal average is actually even better than his numbers would suggest.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Going nowhere.

 

[Jen2310]

Despite his lengthy tenure in red and white, Parker senses a shift in club priorities at the Swans and signalled it could be a broader theme across the AFL when it came to long-serving players who could find themselves shifting unexpectedly in the future.

“I probably always had in my head that I’d be a one-club player, but these days things do change really quickly and clubs go in a different direction,” he said.

“That is going to happen more and more these days. I think it will be very rare to see a one-club player as they get over the 12 to 13-year mark.”
Parker, a former co-captain at the Swans, multiple best and fairest winner and a premiership player in 2012, said he sensed a long way out that the club was moving in a different direction, one that likely did not include him.

“It probably wasn’t until this year or halfway through,” Parker said on SEN Breakfast.

“For me, it was basically that I started to feel that the club or certain things were heading in a new direction. The club has got to do what is best for the club, and I can fully understand that.

This is what happened with Adams with us I reckon too. He sensed a shift.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/north-melbourne-recruit-luke-parker-says-veteran-player-movement-will-increase/news-story/61a05d27976c0baa9f5326f1f4ed4a01

 

[MooreDaicos]

I am hoping it's true. Rowell at his best is a ballistic animal that should be entering his prime years.

It seems that our competitive advantage is Oakleigh and Nick Daicos. And to me it makes perfect sense.

Kind of reuniting the band.

It's in his best interest to get his redhead skin out of that terrible heat up there and enjoy the cool winter days having a watchamacallit with Nick, soyboy latte? I'm sure I heard somewhere, the Daics boys have weird cuppas.
It would be awesome if we stole him like we stole Houston. I get a strange feeling there might be something up with him and Hardwick, no source or sauce, just a gut feel.

 

[Fat Jesus]

Jamara is far more threatening up forward. And a better shot on goal.

If an oppo coach could choose one to be unavailable to coach against, they’d choose Jamara every time.

JUH also 3 years younger.

 

[Jelly Bean]

It's in his best interest to get his redhead skin out of that terrible heat up there and enjoy the cool winter days having a watchamacallit with Nick, soyboy latte? I'm sure I heard somewhere, the Daics boys have weird cuppas.
It would be awesome if we stole him like we stole Houston. I get a strange feeling there might be something up with him and Hardwick, no source or sauce, just a gut feel.

But wouldn't we need to trade for him? We don't have ANY trade capital next year, and even our future first rounders we need to hang on to now. We need to accept that we aren't getting a big name now unless they are FA - which should be a somewhat open avenue as we will have a lot coin coming off the books in the next two years.

 

[TradeDraft]

But wouldn't we need to trade for him? We don't have ANY trade capital next year, and even our future first rounders we need to hang on to now. We need to accept that we aren't getting a big name now unless they are FA - which should be a somewhat open avenue as we will have a lot coin coming off the books in the next two years.

We don't have to trade just Picks in a Trade

 

[Jelly Bean]

We don't have to trade just Picks in a Trade

Yeah, but we don't have any young talent we would want to let go (as we need more young talent than less), our older talent won't fetch back much in return given their age, and we wouldn't want to trade out a mid aged player who is best 22 right now to bring in a mid aged player, even if it is Rowell.

The only way we get Rowell is as a FA whenever that happens.

 

[Jelly Bean]

If Rowell was on the trade table, someone is going to offer 2x top 12 first round picks as a starting point. We don't have enough good mid aged players to upstage that, without being net negative to our competitiveness.

 

[TradeDraft]

Yeah, but we don't have any young talent we would want to let go (as we need more young talent than less), our older talent won't fetch back much in return given their age, and we wouldn't want to trade out a mid aged player who is best 22 right now to bring in a mid aged player, even if it is Rowell.

The only way we get Rowell is as a FA whenever that happens.

Could trade a Older Player for someone younger or Picks IF another teams think they are close to a Flag

 

[MooreDaicos]

But wouldn't we need to trade for him? We don't have ANY trade capital next year, and even our future first rounders we need to hang on to now. We need to accept that we aren't getting a big name now unless they are FA - which should be a somewhat open avenue as we will have a lot coin coming off the books in the next two years.

Yes we would, if he's out of contract and is adamant about only coming to us then something will be worked out. We could lose someone and gain a higher pick or part trade someone who breaks out this year that they desire. Who knows, the selling of salary cap space could be an option too.
It's all up to Nick to go eat grass with him and chew their cuds while contemplating being dynamic together

 

[soreplums]

Could trade a Older Player for someone younger or Picks IF another teams think they are close to a Flag

I see where you are going with this.
Rowell to Pies, and Pendles packaged to go to GC as a player coach.

 

[manicpie]

I see where you are going with this.
Rowell to Pies, and Pendles packaged to go to GC as a player coach.

Pendles has earned the right to do whatever he wants and if he wanted to pursue a career in coaching, then good on him.

 

[TradeDraft]

I see where you are going with this.
Rowell to Pies, and Pendles packaged to go to GC as a player coach.

IF Pendles wanted too do that then something be Considered

 

[Jelly Bean]

Could trade a Older Player for someone younger or Picks IF another teams think they are close to a Flag

Yeah, it's an easy thing to say, but who? Give me an example of someone who we would be okay to trade away (noting that we are also close to a flag) that GC would want as compensation for losing one of the best young mids and the former number one draft pick? The likes of a De Goey or Cameron aren't going to get it done, they may consider Moore but we wouldn't (and we'd be going backwards if we did that). Anyone older they wouldn't do because you wouldn't give up 7-8 years left in Rowell's career for 2ish years left in one of our older guys. Anyone younger wouldn't turn out to be net positive for them losing Rowell.

The reality is that we won't trade a strong best 22 player for Rowell unless we have decided to take a step back from immediate contention to retool. To be fair, that might happen at the end of 2025, but I doubt it.

My prediction is that the only way we would ever be able to get Rowell is by FA.

 

[MooreDaicos]

Yeah, it's an easy thing to say, but who? Give me an example of someone who we would be okay to trade away (noting that we are also close to a flag) that GC would want as compensation for losing one of the best young mids and the former number one draft pick? The likes of a De Goey or Cameron aren't going to get it done, they may consider Moore but we wouldn't (and we'd be going backwards if we did that). Anyone older they wouldn't do because you wouldn't give up 7-8 years left in Rowell's career for 2ish years left in one of our older guys. Anyone younger wouldn't turn out to be net positive for them losing Rowell.

The reality is that we won't trade a strong best 22 player for Rowell unless we have decided to take a step back from immediate contention to retool. To be fair, that might happen at the end of 2025, but I doubt it.

My prediction is that the only way we would ever be able to get Rowell is by FA.

And yet, we got Houston cheap.
Have some faith in the miracles we can conjure up, after all, we are a mighty force

 

[Jen2310]

And yet, we got Houston cheap.
Have some faith in the miracles we can conjure up, after all, we are a mighty force

That would likely a one off. That only worked because there was players connected to the deal. Unlikely that would happen again.