20th AFL Team

[threenewpadlocks]

It's the whole point - you're wanting regular attendees.

Says who?

So if you are are a regular Melbourne footy fan and you want to see some footy action are you more likely to drive to Ballarat, Bendigo, Albury Wodonga or are you going to catch a plane to Busselton, hire a car and drive the 100km round trip to Bunbury ?

Sure. Doesn't pay North Melbourne's bills though if those places are offering less cash to North.

What you're saying is great for the region, great for the government but only minimally beneficial to an AFL club.

Except for the benefit of the cold hard cash going to North. That's of a benefit. Clearly North don't think it's minimal.

People go to the G.C. and what are the Suns crowds and what proportion of that from tourists?
People go to the G.C. presumeably because it's warm and sunny.

Cool. So you agree you can base a team in GC permanently because there's always going to be an element of consistency of away attendances for all home games contributing to crowds and financial stability. Nobody's suggesting a SW full time team (yet).

Have you been to the S.W. in winter ?

Probably the reason that they're buying a game in the first place is that they want to spread out the tourism more evenly throughout the year rather than just in summer. That is also of a benefit to the SW other than just additional tourism numbers.

 

[RedV3x]

Says who?

if you cannot work out the benefit of regular attendees then your hopeless.

Sure. Doesn't pay North Melbourne's bills though if those places are offering less cash to North.

Sounds like you're saying that N.M. are strapped for cash
I'm saying investigate some long term to permanent options.
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Except for the benefit of the cold hard cash going to North. That's of a benefit. Clearly North don't think it's minimal.

I'm saying investigate some long term to permanent options.

Cool. So you agree you can base a team in GC permanently because there's always going to be an element of consistency of away attendances for all home games contributing to crowds and financial stability.

Yes, but the degree is small.

Nobody's suggesting a SW full time team (yet).

then why did you waste all that posting on the attractiveness of the S.W.?

Probably the reason that they're buying a game in the first place is that they want to spread out the tourism more evenly throughout the year rather than just in summer.

Maybe a good point. So we're banking on the ignorance of eastern Staters !

That is also of a benefit to the SW other than just additional tourism numbers.

Again NOT AFL club related but yes, an excellent deal for N.M. take it
BUT don't let that stop investigation of some long term to permanent options.
Do understand the difference ?

 

[Coolangatta]

Honestly I think North will continue to struggle if they can’t turn their on field performances around. If they want to grow their base in Melbourne, then they need to be successful.

It’s no coincidence that the biggest VIC clubs have been the most successful. I know Carlton and Essendon haven’t been for decades, but they do have a history of success that North can only dream of.

And it’s going to be hard for them. They’re competing for success against 9 other teams from the same state plus 8 soon to be 9 other interstate teams.

If they fail under Clarkson and cannot get themselves into the 8 or deep into September by the time Tassie roll around then I’d be seriously looking at a Canberra relocation.

It’d be good for the club and it leaves the door open for a 3rd Perth side to come in as the 20th club but they’re probably going to fight for dear life to stay in Melbourne. Good luck is all I can say, they’ll need it.

 

[Bjo187]

Honestly I think North will continue to struggle if they can’t turn their on field performances around. If they want to grow their base in Melbourne, then they need to be successful.

It’s no coincidence that the biggest VIC clubs have been the most successful. I know Carlton and Essendon haven’t been for decades, but they do have a history of success that North can only dream of.

And it’s going to be hard for them. They’re competing for success against 9 other teams from the same state plus 8 soon to be 9 other interstate teams.

If they fail under Clarkson and cannot get themselves into the 8 or deep into September by the time Tassie roll around then I’d be seriously looking at a Canberra relocation.

It’d be good for the club and it leaves the door open for a 3rd Perth side to come in as the 20th club but they’re probably going to fight for dear life to stay in Melbourne. Good luck is all I can say, they’ll need it.

Even in the 90s when they were arguably the team of the decade with the most marketable player in the game, they still struggled to build their fanbase. The gap between them and the bigger teams I feel has almost tripled in the past 20 years though.

 

[RedV3x]

Honestly I think North will continue to struggle if they can’t turn their on field performances around. If they want to grow their base in Melbourne, then they need to be successful.

There aren't too many teams in Melbourne it's the uneven distribution that is the problem.
That distribution came about by uneven performances on the VFL.

There are so many teams in the AFL now that teams cannot afford to be off the pace for too long
Even the "big" teams feel the pinch now.
Teams like N.M. Melbourne, St. Kilda, G.C. and GWS need consistently good performances to grow market share.

 

[RedV3x]

Even in the 90s when they were arguably the team of the decade with the most marketable player in the game, they still struggled to build their fanbase. The gap between them and the bigger teams I feel has almost tripled in the past 20 years though.

Didn't they "buy" a premiersship ?
Lots of sandgropers poached.
Maybe that's the reason why they have larger than normal support in W.A.

 

[frenchconnection]

I’m talking more about career longevity, injury management etc.

Only 6 games in the city you live in (Darwin) would be a tough grind.

Tassie is a beautiful place by the way

I’d be going for a third WA side.

Why - why not SA or one of the other States - as will be difficult to do considering Freo or WCE play at Optus every alternate week. Would need another Stadium to do that - as if members don’t get their 11 home games I would think membership would drop off as would not be viable with the cost of ticketing as it presently is!

 

[frenchconnection]

There aren't too many teams in Melbourne it's the uneven distribution that is the problem.
That distribution came about by uneven performances on the VFL.

There are so many teams in the AFL now that teams cannot afford to be off the pace for too long
Even the "big" teams feel the pinch now.
Teams like N.M. Melbourne, St. Kilda, G.C. and GWS need consistently good performances to grow market share.

That’s where the AFL made a huge mistake imo - as when the AFL was formed then it should have been a whole new competition and all teams including any of the teams who had been in the VFL at the time should have had to apply to be in the AFL competition - and if you weren’t viable financially then too bad and would have saved the AFL having to prop up some of the less financial clubs. It’s a dog breakfast as things stand as it’s half VFL and 1/2 AFL!

 

[Coolangatta]

That’s where the AFL made a huge mistake imo - as when the AFL was formed then it should have been a whole new competition and all teams including any of the teams who had been in the VFL at the time should have had to apply to be in the AFL competition - and if you weren’t viable financially then too bad and would have saved the AFL having to prop up some of the less financial clubs. It’s a dog breakfast as things stand as it’s half VFL and 1/2 AFL!

Probably should've begun as John Elliott wanted it - 6 teams VIC, 2 WA, 2 SA, 1 each NSW and QLD. 12 teams.

From there, you add TAS and ACT in the 90s - 14 teams, then Gold Coast and Western Sydney - 16 teams.

 

[RedV3x]

That’s where the AFL made a huge mistake imo - as when the AFL was formed then it should have been a whole new competition

That is indeed history but I thought the AFLW could've learned from this with non AFL aligned teams.
Or at least limited the number of Melbourne teams.
Could have pre-empted the AFL with Tasmanian and Canberran teans etc.
could have had an Irish team -Sydney Celtics.

 

[RedV3x]

Why - why not SA or one of the other States

Adelaide has much smaller population.
Sydney has it's second team.
Brisbane might not even have a stadium.
Melbourne has too many already.

as will be difficult to do considering Freo or WCE play at Optus every alternate week. Would need another Stadium to do that

No. Look at how many games are played at the MCG.
The comfortable maximum would be four teams playing alternatively using Saturday & Sunday. Then there's Friday night etc.