Retired #21: Dyson Heppell - Goodnight, sweet prince. What a legend! 🤙 - 24/8

[Lore]

Contract Status: Unrestricted Free Agent 2024
My Boy Draft 2024: Pick 27, Highly Evolved

 

[Big Fresh]

I don't like the idea of having a captain who can get pushed around like Cotchin and Murphy do. Not sure Heppell is sufficiently physically imposing or aggressive. I can't see Myers getting bullied by other midfielders plus he plays with so much pride. You'd have to go to the players to find the best choice but I'd go with Myers.

 

[yaco55]

Murphy had a poor 2013,started off slowly in 2014, but has been in excellent form the last 5 weeks. He's not quite playing at his 2011/2012 standards but in those 2 years he played top quality football. We need to remember that until the end of 2010, Murphy was running head to head with pendlebury.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Would have Marc Murphy at Essendon.

 

[Bomberblitzer]

Would have Marc Murphy at Essendon.

Every club in the AFL would have him. Not captain material, though.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Murphys been exceptionally good this year - lets not mistake that.

He was absolute horseshit the first 4 rounds and bad against Collingwood and Adelaide. Really only dominates shit opposition. Don't know what happened to him, maybe that huge bump from Dangerfield a while back, but he has dropped away from the player he was 3-4 years into his career.

 

[Autobahn]

He was absolute horseshit the first 4 rounds and bad against Collingwood and Adelaide. Really only dominates shit opposition. Don't know what happened to him, maybe that huge bump from Dangerfield a while back, but he has dropped away from the player he was 3-4 years into his career.

Add the broken from the Hodge collision, and everyman's fear:

The T-1000

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Haha still makes me laugh.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Still think Myers is the more likely candidate at this point.

Either one, we are blessed for young leaders actually, even someone like Merrett could be in that group. If I had to pick it would be Heppell with Myers VC but it is really close.

 

[Keystone agony]

He was absolute horseshit the first 4 rounds and bad against Collingwood and Adelaide. Really only dominates shit opposition. Don't know what happened to him, maybe that huge bump from Dangerfield a while back, but he has dropped away from the player he was 3-4 years into his career.

I disagree with your first 4 rounds assumption.

It got media tyres mainly due to the way Carlton were performing yet he was a solid player in such bad times for the club. Leadership id be happy to qestion but on field performance not so.

He only doesnt play well when he gets the best taggers Kerridge, Macaffer ect Against Melbourne he also gave his game away to take out N.Jones from the contest who obviously mick saw to be the best player on that field between the 2 teams which id agree with.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I disagree with your first 4 rounds assumption.

It got media tyres mainly due to the way Carlton were performing yet he was a solid player in such bad times for the club. Leadership id be happy to qestion but on field performance not so.

Probably a little overstated .

I think you can't separate leadership and performance. His performances would have angered me if I was a blues supporter because there wasn't an ounce of leadership in the way he played; he'd run forward of the ball, he wouldn't go when he had to, he wouldn't work defensively. Statiscally he looks alright, but he actually played a huge part in the misfortunes of team.

Personally I think he's a bit mentally broken after getting taken out really hard a couple of times. Though he has been on the improve.

 

[Keystone agony]

Probably a little overstated .

I think you can't separate leadership and performance. His performances would have angered me if I was a blues supporter because there wasn't an ounce of leadership in the way he played; he'd run forward of the ball, he wouldn't go when he had to, he wouldn't work defensively. Statiscally he looks alright, but he actually played a huge part in the misfortunes of team.

Personally I think he's a bit mentally broken after getting taken out really hard a couple of times. Though he has been on the improve.

You can certainly seperate leadership and performance. Thats like saying no matter how good a young guy plays in his 5th game but has no leadership has performed poorly. They are exclusive to each other.

Check his tackle stats? to see how 'defensively' poor he is? might be a surprise.

Your drawing a long bow now mate.

No matter who was captain at carlton would be copping it

 

[Red Black and Blue]

You can certainly seperate leadership and performance. Thats like saying no matter how good a young guy plays in his 5th game but has no leadership has performed poorly. They are exclusive to each other.

Check his tackle stats? to see how 'defensively' poor he is? might be a surprise.

Your drawing a long bow now mate.

No matter who was captain at carlton would be copping it

You can't separate leadership and performance of a Captain. It is their primary role to set the standards of team.

Drawing a long bow is claiming tackling is a definitive reflection of defensive working. These days it's part and parcel of being a guts midfielder, spending 70% of your time in there you are bound to find yourself standing next to one in seven people who are going to pick up the ball. Also you're more likely to tackle someone if you're not attack the contest yourself.

Though I'm referring to running hard on transition to fill space, pick up loose opponents, put your body on the line to make a 50/50.

 

[Keystone agony]

You can't separate leadership and performance of a Captain. It is their primary role to set the standards of team.

Drawing a long bow is claiming tackling is a definitive reflection of defensive working. These days it's part and parcel of being a guts midfielder, spending 70% of your time in there you are bound to find yourself standing next to one in seven people who are going to pick up the ball. Also you're more likely to tackle someone if you're not attack the contest yourself.

Though I'm referring to running hard on transition to fill space, pick up loose opponents, put your body on the line to make a 50/50.

I think you need to watch more of Marc Murphy this season. His on field performances have been great from a captain or leader and the best or 2nd best (Kade Simpson) at the club this year. His tackle numbers have been right up. He pushes as hard defensively as Heppell does - thats for sure.

I think we are going to agree to disagree on this one and we will leave it there.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

He pushes as hard defensively as Heppell does - thats for sure.

I think you need to watch him more, you commended his game against Nathan Jones,when he got beaten individually and his side lost to one of the worst teams in the competition. Have a look at Jones' goal, Murphy stops chasing him and points for others to pick up his man.

Also Heppell is a horrible defensive runner. That is doing your case no favours.

 

[Keystone agony]

I think you need to watch him more, you commended his game against Nathan Jones,when he got beaten individually and his side lost to one of the worst teams in the competition. Have a look at Jones' goal, Murphy stops chasing him and points for others to pick up his man.

Also Heppell is a horrible defensive runner. That is doing your case no favours.

Well it originally started by comparing him to Heppell.

Murphy put his own game to sacrifice to take N.Jones out of the midfield. It by no means was an excellent display just a role and sacrificial performance to take the best player on field out of the main play into defense which certainly wouldnt have suited him.

 

[Zach Package]

hang on, wasn't it the other way around?

Jones tagged Murphy out of it didn't he?

 

[Keystone agony]

hang on, wasn't it the other way around?

Jones tagged Murphy out of it didn't he?

They went H2H. Jones was winning the battle which im happy to admit and won the battle and was taken out of the game by Murphy sacrficing his game to go forward in basically a role to void N.Jones.

Murphys only had poor games when hes been heavily tagged this season, the same can be said for Heppell. The difference is Murphy has also played well when with the tag on occassions this season whereas we are yet to see that from Heppell.

 

[yaco55]

I disagree with your first 4 rounds assumption.

It got media tyres mainly due to the way Carlton were performing yet he was a solid player in such bad times for the club. Leadership id be happy to qestion but on field performance not so.

He only doesnt play well when he gets the best taggers Kerridge, Macaffer ect Against Melbourne he also gave his game away to take out N.Jones from the contest who obviously mick saw to be the best player on that field between the 2 teams which id agree with.

How many perform at their optimum when tagged - That's the nature of the beast - Murphy has been a very good player for 6 years with one down year in 2013 - Which is fairly much par for the course - Love Murphy in our team.

 

[yaco55]

hang on, wasn't it the other way around?

Jones tagged Murphy out of it didn't he?

Players sometimes play head to head - Do we think that Watson tagged Cotchin or vice-versa ?

 

[Keystone agony]

How many perform at their optimum when tagged - That's the nature of the beast - Murphy has been a very good player for 6 years with one down year in 2013 - Which is fairly much par for the course - Love Murphy in our team.

Yep and that poor year only came to a fairly significant knee injury played with for the whole year which stopped his preseason and thus nullify his great strength in running.

 

[Keystone agony]

This guy needs to learn to go both ways. Seriously soon aswell. Saw him trailing his man 5-10m multiple occasions into the opposition forward 50. Cheating the contest - no wonder he gets so much of the ball each week. He relies on our quality defenders beating their man and his and popping it over the top to him.

 

[ant555]

Two things Dyson lacks, defensive pressure and the mind set to put on a block and help his team mates. His tractor slow pace does not help his
defensive running and he is easy to run away from but he also struggles to roll over in defense and pick up the next man.
I do not understand the block thing as it is not like he is soft, he goes in as hard as anyone and has been smashed around a bit by the opposition over the
journey but he simply refuses to block for team mates.

 

[Keystone agony]

We will get to see how good Dyson Heppell really is over the next month without Jobe. He will start to get some hard tags maybe a Daniel Cross, Kerridge in the next 2 weeks. They may go to Stanton/Goddard ahead of him but will be interesting to see him handle the added pressure if it comes. Personally i wouldnt tag him id go H2H and burn him the other way highlighting his defensive running.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

If any of our midfielders apart from Jobe had Dyson's inside ability and clean hands we'd be a premiership contender.

Absolute gun and unfortunately carrying too many at too young an age.

 

[Zach Package]

Also needs to work on hitting the scoreboard