Traded #25: Jake Stringer - 📦 Traded to GWS for Pick #53 - 16/10

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Contract Status: Out of contract 2024
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ant555 said:
You are putting everyone in one box. The level he has to train at the look the way you want him to does not work for him . That has been proven two seasons in a row when he has been in great condition at the end of December and broken down in March.
If the coach is happy then I have no issues.
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How am I putting everyone in one box. It’s common knowledge athletes with bulk shed size to ease up the toll on their bodies as they play into their 30s and half the time they’re athletes that don’t have half the injury history of Jake.

Don’t know why you have so much angst about the idea of Jake shedding some weight/ muscle to help his longevity
 
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andleanback said:
How am I putting everyone in one box. It’s common knowledge athletes with bulk shed size to ease up the toll on their bodies as they play into their 30s and half the time they’re athletes that don’t have half the injury history of Jake.
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Because even the bulk athletes are not all the same and not all of them have had the injury Stringer had before he was drafted. It is not that simple. Secondly Jake is not an athlete. He is a bloke with massive footy ability but very limited athletic ability . The workload is always going to be higher. I would have to check but I am reasonably sure he was 90kg when he was drafted. He has not really got a lot bigger. If you are 90kg at 18 and playing at 95-96 at 28 you are not really going to be getting back to 90kg.
 
ant555 said:
Because even the bulk athletes are not all the same and not all of them have had the injury Stringer had before he was drafted. It is not that simple. Secondly Jake is not an athlete. He is a bloke with massive footy ability but very limited athletic ability . The workload is always going to be higher. I would have to check but I am reasonably sure he was 90kg when he was drafted. He has not really got a lot bigger.
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Anyone playing afl is an athlete, come on now.
So an pre draft injury affects your ability to change your diet, because he broke his leg he’ll never be able to cut weight?

His shape A6A7889C-A830-41B6-B9F8-AFD00355E3AE.png at the end of 2017
 
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andleanback said:
Anyone playing afl is an athlete, come on now.
So an pre draft injury affects your ability to change your diet, because he broke his leg he’ll never be able to cut weight?
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Just looked it up. Have found sites saying he was drafted at 92 kg and the AFL site 94kg. I thought it was 90kg. He is currently listed at 95. So you are saying he should be able to get under the weight he was when he was 18 ? Have to ask have you ever had to deal with weight issues yourself ? They guy is still within 3kg of the weight he was 10 years ago. It has nothing to do with his diet. He is almost guaranteed to be over 105kg when he retires. And do you know his diet is off track or is it just another 1+1=3
And no not all AFL players are athletes. They are highly trained but they are not all natural athletes.
 
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From Brad Scott's interview.

He had been playing sore for most of 2022 and being a power type player he lacked the power because of his groin issues. So the plan was to strip things back and train him up in the right area to get him back to full power. If that sets him back in conditioning for round 1 then they will live with that.

Notice he did a little bit of work with the main group today but did not do match sim from all reports.
 
ant555 said:
Just looked it up. Have found sites saying he was drafted at 92 kg and the AFL site 94kg. I thought it was 90kg. He is currently listed at 95. So you are saying he should be able to get under the weight he was when he was 18 ? Have to ask have you ever had to deal with weight issues yourself ? They guy is still within 3kg of the weight he was 10 years ago. It has nothing to do with his diet. He is almost guaranteed to be over 105kg when he retires. And do you know his diet is off track or is it just another 1+1=3
And no not all AFL players are athletes. They are highly trained but they are not all natural athletes.
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You’re giving him way too much benefit of doubt for a guy who has constantly fluctuated in weight and fitness due to his professionalism and training standards. If he diet was constantly on track he wouldn’t be rocking up with puppy fat every off season and every time he misses 4/5 weeks off footy. You could almost guarantee he wouldn’t watch his diet like some of the pros in the league that are eagle eyed on everything they put into their body, like a Dylan shiel or Travis boak., a lot of players don’t have a professional diet but can get away with it by having a great metabolism.
 
andleanback said:
You’re giving him way too much benefit of doubt for a guy who has constantly fluctuated in weight and fitness due to his professionalism and training standards. If he diet was constantly on track he wouldn’t be rocking up with puppy fat every off season and every time he misses 4/5 weeks off footy. You could almost guarantee he wouldn’t watch his diet like some of the pros in the league that are eagle eyed on everything they put into their body, like a Dylan shiel or Travis boak., a lot of players don’t have a professional diet but can get away with it by having a great metabolism.
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Yep his weight has fluctuated around 5kg or 6kg over a 10 year period.
Do tell me what facts you have about his diet ? been hiding in the bushes at the KFC drive through ? Looking in his window at night ? going through his rubbish ? or just total guess work ?
I am not denying he has had periods where he has not looked after himself 100% but the fact is he could hardly drop a lot more weight if he is within 5kg of his weight 10 years ago.
I think I will go with what the coach has said about him and what is going on.
 
Keystone agony said:
Kornes goes whack
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Not surprised. I like how Korn always owns what he says but he also goes off without a lot of facts and he still has not worked out that he does not have to get it if people do something differently to him. Maybe it would pay him to listen what the coach has said about his preparation this week.
 
ant555 said:
Not surprised. I like how Korn always owns what he says but he also goes off without a lot of facts and he still has not worked out that he does not have to get it if people do something differently to him. Maybe it would pay him to listen what the coach has said about his preparation this week.
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What Scott said does not counteract / contradict what Kornes said. Scott said he’s being managed because of his groin. Kornes effectively said Stringer’s skin folds are poor and that is likely a contributor to his injury history.

I like Cornes as a straight shooter too though I agree he goes off half cocked often. But not sure this is one of those times.
 

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fairbump_playon said:
What Scott said does not counteract / contradict what Kornes said. Scott said he’s being managed because of his groin. Kornes effectively said Stringer’s skin folds are poor and that is likely a contributor to his injury history.

I like Cornes as a straight shooter too though I agree he goes off half cocked often. But not sure this is one of those times.
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Well it does as Scott simply said they are not worried about him being 2 or 3 kg over his playing weight right now. His skin folds the last two seasons have been fine in the pre season. His condition deteriorated once he missed a lot of training due to injury and then came back without the conditioning. It may have contributed in a few of the past seasons (2016,2017,2020) but not in the last two seasons when he was fit and lean in early Jan but failed to make it to make it to round 1.
People need to learn that there are a small percentage of people who can put on 5kg on a normal healthy diet if they can not train at a high level.
 
andleanback said:
Anyone playing afl is an athlete, come on now.
So an pre draft injury affects your ability to change your diet, because he broke his leg he’ll never be able to cut weight?

His shape View attachment 1602738at the end of 2017
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Pretty sure that was the first preseason with us where we tried to turn him in to a midfielder and he lost all his power and couldn't do the spectacular things that Stringer can do when he has that strength and power.

If he could run midfield loads and maintain his power he'd be a Dustin Martin level player. He can't, so we'll just have to be content that he's still one of the most dynamic medium forwards in the comp that can play a cameo role at centre bounces.
 
Didn't play the intra yesterday but might've done some of the warm ups coz he's in the photo deck;

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He says get stuffed to the doubters. :)
 
fairbump_playon said:
What Scott said does not counteract / contradict what Kornes said. Scott said he’s being managed because of his groin. Kornes effectively said Stringer’s skin folds are poor and that is likely a contributor to his injury history.

I like Cornes as a straight shooter too though I agree he goes off half cocked often. But not sure this is one of those times.
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Cornes isn’t a straight shooter, he’s just a click ****. He says whatever will get the most attention, that’s why SEN and Channel 9 love him. Calling blokes fat is just one of the things he has.
 
MiguelM said:
Smart imo. He is a burst player at his best. Always a compromise between strength and endurance. Too much of one and you lose the other.

For Stringer, he doesn't need super endurance of a midfielder and with more depth there he will probably only spend 5 minute bursts in the midfield and only if needed there.
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Like anything you can be seduced by what he can do with his ability but there seems to be a number of factors in limiting being able to produce that level. I think what you say is where we are at. We need him on the field as a 40 to 50 goal forward and someone that can take the odd center bounce.
 
Just on his broken leg. From what I know it gives him an awkward running gate that puts pressure on other parts of his body which is why he was always on some sort of modified program with the Dogs. I know my view is the minority and that others have different opinions which is fine. From what I know it is not just a black and white issue with him being over weight and diet. Yes he has had seasons where he has let himself down with a lack of professionalism and preparation including one with us but there have been other factors involved in the last two seasons.
 
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