Traded #25: Jake Stringer - 📦 Traded to GWS for Pick #53 - 16/10

[Lore]

Contract Status: Out of contract 2024
My Boy Draft 2024: Pick 19, Harlequin

 

[fairbump_playon]

Smart imo. He is a burst player at his best. Always a compromise between strength and endurance. Too much of one and you lose the other.

For Stringer, he doesn't need super endurance of a midfielder and with more depth there he will probably only spend 5 minute bursts in the midfield and only if needed there.

Stringer with more endurance would be the number 1 player in the AFL.

His issue is not that he loses power when he pushes the endurance, it’s that his body breaks down.

Is that because he is unprofessional with his diet and weight? Or his body is screwed from previous injuries (notably the broken leg)? Or just unlucky? Not sure but we are definitely getting only 70% of what could have been.

 

[ant555]

Stringer with more endurance would be the number 1 player in the AFL.

His issue is not that he loses power when he pushes the endurance, it’s that his body breaks down.

Is that because he is unprofessional with his diet and weight? Or his body is screwed from previous injuries (notably the broken leg)? Or just unlucky? Not sure but we are definitely getting only 70% of what could have been.

Previous injury. A period where he did not look after himself that well and he is not an endurance athlete and can not handle the work load. His career has been 70% of what he could have been due to his broken leg.

 

[andleanback]

Get a new source. He has completed what they have wanted him to do until this week and was one of the better players in the last match sim. He has not been in rehab. He has been on a different program so he does not get the groin soreness he has had in the last two pre seasons because of the heavy running load. He stayed of the track yesterday because of back tightness. They are not running the same midfield program they had him on in the past.

Rehab / running program that’s what I meant. He wasnt training with the main squad and doing his own restricted program. He gets hurt in preseason because his body shape cannot cope with the load. He needs to change his body shape if he wants to prolong his career.

 

[ant555]

Rehab / running program that’s what I meant. He wasnt training with the main squad and doing his own restricted program. He gets hurt in preseason because his body shape cannot cope with the load. He needs to change his body shape if he wants to prolong his career.

Sometimes the body shape is the body shape. I just said hi to him at training . He looks in good shape . He is not and never was an athlete. Yes he has had a period where he had professional issues but the last two seasons issues have been too much work load resulting in injury. This year he is on a different program.

 

[faible]

Rehab / running program that’s what I meant. He wasnt training with the main squad and doing his own restricted program. He gets hurt in preseason because his body shape cannot cope with the load. He needs to change his body shape if he wants to prolong his career.

FWIW some people are just injury prone. Same as some people have knees that give way easily (e.g. Morabito and Naismith).

Stringer isn't a model athlete by any means, but from what we've seen he can get to a certain level without breaking down, but beyond that his body can't handle it.

If he wasn't a full-time AFL player and could afford to spend years building up just to run higher loads maybe he'd tolerate it.

 

[bennyg12]

Running very slow laps today

 

[ant555]

Running very slow laps today I

That’s not unusual. He did medium pace run throughs on Saturday. Not uncommon to be doing slow base work at the start of the week .

 

[faible]

That’s not unusual. He did medium pace run throughs on Saturday. Not uncommon to be doing slow base work at the start of the week .

No you must be flogged each and every session.

 

[yodellinhank]

No you must be flogged each and every session.

How many players have had a vom on the boundary line this pre season? I'd say not enough.

 

[fairbump_playon]

No you must be flogged each and every session.

I think we have to teach players to be more professional in their recovery but also fully eliminate any risk by making sure there isn’t anything they need to recover from. Train smarter, not harder. In fact, train easier.

 

[faible]

I think we have to teach players to be more professional in their recovery but also fully eliminate any risk by making sure there isn’t anything they need to recover from. Train smarter, not harder. In fact, train easier.

I get the sense when the fitness guy came from hawthorn and talked about players needing to learn how to train, it was this kind of thing.

Managing their effort properly and doing all the necessary steps to maximise their recovery so they can get through as much of the preseason workload as possible without injury.

I suspect a club like Geelong has a huge number of guys already doing this to a really high level who ensure any new guys learn it quickly.

Meanwhile at EFC…

 

[yodellinhank]

I get the sense when the fitness guy came from hawthorn and talked about players needing to learn how to train, it was this kind of thing.

Managing their effort properly and doing all the necessary steps to maximise their recovery so they can get through as much of the preseason workload as possible without injury.

I suspect a club like Geelong has a huge number of guys already doing this to a really high level who ensure any new guys learn it quickly.

Meanwhile at EFC…

I guess the question is how long it takes for changes to take effect and what changes are being made. The review pointed out not much and our fitness is stuffed, there's been no changes to what we're doing fitness wise widely spoken about as yet. And we've got stories like that of Francis getting to Sydney and saying "Oh, a football club!" In the meantime

 

[faible]

I guess the question is how long it takes for changes to take effect and what changes are being made. The review pointed out not much and our fitness is stuffed, there's been no changes to what we're doing fitness wise widely spoken about as yet. And we've got stories like that of Francis getting to Sydney and saying "Oh, a football club!" In the meantime

I don't think our fitness is too far off the mark really, rolling out a pretty young side meant we faded as the year wore on, even a guy like Cox who came in as an elite aerobic runner was pretty cooked by the end of his first season, then hasn't had a clean preseason since.

Certainly I'd prefer instead of being say 3% off the best, we were the best, but I think it's a combination of a young list + injuries more than it is totally incompetent fitness staff, plus we haven't traditionally drafted hard running aerobic guys regularly.

 

[Old Campaigner]

I get the sense when the fitness guy came from hawthorn and talked about players needing to learn how to train, it was this kind of thing.

Managing their effort properly and doing all the necessary steps to maximise their recovery so they can get through as much of the preseason workload as possible without injury.

I suspect a club like Geelong has a huge number of guys already doing this to a really high level who ensure any new guys learn it quickly.

Meanwhile at EFC…

There's a bunch of people at work training for ironman triathlons and it sounds like the normal way to build up a high level of fitness is a lot of low intensity work with just a small number of really intense sessions. The low intensity training doesn't build up your fitness base as the high intensity training but you can do a lot more of it for a given amount of recovery time.

Different sports with different fitness goals of course but I think there would be a bit of carryover between the two.

 

[Keystone agony]

There's a bunch of people at work training for ironman triathlons and it sounds like the normal way to build up a high level of fitness is a lot of low intensity work with just a small number of really intense sessions. The low intensity training doesn't build up your fitness base as the high intensity training but you can do a lot more of it for a given amount of recovery time.

Different sports with different fitness goals of course but I think there would be a bit of carryover between the two.

There wouldnt be too much long slow stuff. Thats a bit archaic now

Football is very much interval training now. Sometimes longer/slow stuff for guys returning from rehab just to get the kms up but even then its probably no longer than 1km of running at once and that for very rare players

Football stops/starts. Bench rotations. Kick outs, stoppages ect

Still think were one of the poorer fitness sides. I was surprised Dom Sheed who i didnt see as a huge gun endurance runner, running 6:12 for 2km. Eagles have also been notorious of recent years for not caring about skin folds ect, but i just wonder how many of Shiel, Zerrett, Parish, Langford are running under 6:30? I wouldnt be confident they are

 

[Nifft]

How many players have had a vom on the boundary line this pre season? I'd say not enough.

And then a smoke and a tinnie straight after...

 

[yodellinhank]

And then a smoke and a tinnie straight after...

Possibly before?

 

[ant555]

There wouldnt be too much long slow stuff. Thats a bit archaic now

Football is very much interval training now. Sometimes longer/slow stuff for guys returning from rehab just to get the kms up but even then its probably no longer than 1km of running at once and that for very rare players

Football stops/starts. Bench rotations. Kick outs, stoppages ect

Still think were one of the poorer fitness sides. I was surprised Dom Sheed who i didnt see as a huge gun endurance runner, running 6:12 for 2km. Eagles have also been notorious of recent years for not caring about skin folds ect, but i just wonder how many of Shiel, Zerrett, Parish, Langford are running under 6:30? I wouldnt be confident they are

You have not seen AFL training recently have you. They use both and the slow stuff is often 2km to 4km (5 to 10 laps ) either in one lot or two split over trining .They do not do high intensity / interval training every day. A lot of the high intensity stuff we are doing is mixed in with the ball drills or even game sim as the did for 40 minutes on Saturday where they played a scenario and then had to sprint back to the coach on the other side and then after 30 seconds sprint back to position.
As for 2km times. 2km is a mid range distance to run. It is a semi endurance distance. Clubs use it as it is a one distance fits all as a guide .

Our fitness level has not just been one thing . It has been a combination of missing some fitness work trying to work on game plan . Playing young blokes with lower fitness base . Not having a lot of genuine endurance runners . Lack of team defence leading to having to chase the other way and increased load in games and injuries to a few of the endurance runner we have .

 

[faible]

There's a bunch of people at work training for ironman triathlons and it sounds like the normal way to build up a high level of fitness is a lot of low intensity work with just a small number of really intense sessions. The low intensity training doesn't build up your fitness base as the high intensity training but you can do a lot more of it for a given amount of recovery time.

Different sports with different fitness goals of course but I think there would be a bit of carryover between the two.

Ironman is very much a pure aerobic sport where everything you do builds the aerobic engine, there's little need for any speed work or skills based training like the AFL guys do. People drastically underrate the benefits of easy aerobic training to the level of fitness you can build too, you're almost always better doing more volume at easy pace than you are anything else when it comes to endurance sports (obviously there's a time constraint to this).

Most aerobic sports are similar; ~ 80% of your training should be easy (talking type easy) with 20% above that (either moderate or maximal effort). AFL would be similar, but having to balance the aerobic running with football skills, strength training to stand up in tackles, and speed work around that requirement means there's only a limited portion of their training time that can be dedicated to any one thing.

Someone like Stringer who isn't naturally an aerobic guy would have to invest an overly large proportion of time in to his running for an extended period to get to the point that maybe he could handle midfield running loads, but at the expense of his power from stoppages and basically all the strength type stuff that makes him the dangerous player he is, and IMO isn't a sacrifice worth making. At forward running loads he's one of the most dangerous medium forwards / centre bounce players in the league.

 

[faible]

You have not seen AFL training recently have you. They use both and the slow stuff is often 2km to 4km (5 to 10 laps ) either in one lot or two split over trining .They do not do high intensity / interval training every day. A lot of the high intensity stuff we are doing is mixed in with the ball drills or even game sim as the did for 40 minutes on Saturday where they played a scenario and then had to sprint back to the coach on the other side and then after 30 seconds sprint back to position.
As for 2km times. 2km is a mid range distance to run. It is a semi endurance distance. Clubs use it as it is a one distance fits all as a guide .

Our fitness level has not just been one thing . It has been a combination of missing some fitness work trying to work on game plan . Playing young blokes with lower fitness base . Not having a lot of genuine endurance runners . Lack of team defence leading to having to chase the other way and increased load in games and injuries to a few of the endurance runner we have .

Good call. Too much left to too few means those few are getting flogged every week trying to cover for everyone else.

 

[Keystone agony]

You have not seen AFL training recently have you. They use both and the slow stuff is often 2km to 4km (5 to 10 laps ) either in one lot or two split over trining .They do not do high intensity / interval training every day. A lot of the high intensity stuff we are doing is mixed in with the ball drills or even game sim as the did for 40 minutes on Saturday where they played a scenario and then had to sprint back to the coach on the other side and then after 30 seconds sprint back to position.
As for 2km times. 2km is a mid range distance to run. It is a semi endurance distance. Clubs use it as it is a one distance fits all as a guide .

Our fitness level has not just been one thing . It has been a combination of missing some fitness work trying to work on game plan . Playing young blokes with lower fitness base . Not having a lot of genuine endurance runners . Lack of team defence leading to having to chase the other way and increased load in games and injuries to a few of the endurance runner we have .

Been to plenty of preseason training last year and not once did i see one player continuously do more than 1km

Btw 2kms split into 2 is 1km

 

[dank420_]

Btw 2kms split into 2 is 1km

Calm down Einstein

 

[yodellinhank]

Been to plenty of preseason training last year and not once did i see one player continuously do more than 1km

Fitness is more of a concern than i thought.

 

[faible]

Calm down Einstein

Did you know 2km is 2000m?

Therefore 4 x 500m is 2000m is 2km.

 

[dank420_]

Did you know 2km is 2000m?

Therefore 4 x 500m is 2000m is 2km.