Preview 2nd Semi Final, 2020: Richmond v St.Kilda - Metricon Stadium, Friday 9th October, 7:50PM AEDT

[Mat Mann]

I wonder if they saw the vision where Long ceased his momentum whilst Macrae ran at him, you know, that half step?

I'm guessing not given Gleesons response.

yeh there is a definite deceleration in Longs movement before the hit when Ben corrects his trajectory

 

[HillToKing]

AFL"The important distinction between the low and medium examples ... is the force of the blow."
Isn't force related to impact?

 

[DT_35]

This reminds of the Stevie Baker on Farmer? (May have been a different player). Attempted striking he got done for. Absolute f****** laugh

 

[PoppedCorn]

"Up to gods will"


Just lmfao

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St Kilda will appeal the AFL Tribunal’s decision after Ben Long remained suspended for one match for rough conduct.

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[StFly]

yeh there is a definite deceleration in Longs movement before the hit when Ben corrects his trajectory

Never had a physics lessen in his life has Gleeson, or seems to understand the concept of momentum and what it is.

Edit:

"..The question for you is whether a player who comes in with this momentum [read: Long's, which was intermittent with a deceleration], who had the potential to tackle by the way [read: supposition, previous statement indicated Macrae turned, likely head clash due to opposed forces] ... and makes significant contact with the face [read: supposition, see medico report] ... does this have the chance to cause significant injury? [/read: supposition, does walking? Does breathing? Does doing literally anything have a risk attached to it for injury?]"

 

[BrutThough]

I'm not liking our chances.

Guessing Savage for Long it is.

 

[Munga]

Macrae was running 4 seconds later!!! Someone mention that please!

 

[PoppedCorn]

St Kilda: There are some basic and fundamental facts which don't require interpretation. However my learned friend Mr Gleeson tries to weave a way through the way impact is described ... what we know, what is concrete - the medical report says there was no head injury. The player stayed on the ground. He continued to play. These things cannot be disputed.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

St Kilda: There are some basic and fundamental facts which don't require interpretation. However my learned friend Mr Gleeson tries to weave a way through the way impact is described ... what we know, what is concrete - the medical report says there was no head injury. The player stayed on the ground. He continued to play. These things cannot be disputed.

Arguing hard and trolling at the same time. Good.

 

[BrutThough]

St Kilda: There are some basic and fundamental facts which don't require interpretation. However my learned friend Mr Gleeson tries to weave a way through the way impact is described ... what we know, what is concrete - the medical report says there was no head injury. The player stayed on the ground. He continued to play. These things cannot be disputed.

 

[PoppedCorn]

St Kilda: The impact from Ben Long was not of sufficient impact to cause any injury at all to player Macrae. That's a critical factor and we say it goes, significantly, to the grading of impact in this matter.

 

[kernelT]

Live vision of the AFL approved prosecutor...

 

[PoppedCorn]

St Kilda: On the basis of the medical report, which is concrete evidence, we'd suggest that's a really good starting point to understand this impact was low.

 

[4tune8]

Sorry to intrude, but I hope Long gets off. The bump was high but with minimal impact, should be a fine. Was pissed off last year when both Dusty and Grimes got a week each for the "potential" to cause injury!!! It's a bloody joke.

 

[BrutThough]

St Kilda says the jurors are being invited to "speculate" on the potential to cause injury which adds "a slippery slope to the way we should interpret bumps on the footy field".

 

[LiterallyNobody]

Who’s arguing for us? I like their moxy. The learned friend me Gleeson line cracked me up!

 

[StFly]

Look at the language used thus far by both sides;

AFL is largely "this is word of law, this is realm of possibility"
Thus far we are "this is slightly antagonistic, but these are what exist at present"

It's like opposites day.

 

[RBW_007]

Arena App

Sports are more fun when you chat in the moment.

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Sorry I meant a link to what Wallace said.

 

[PoppedCorn]

St Kilda: "Here there is not significant head contact. At the last minute, Long has turned around ... we agree there's a 360 pivot by Macrae, but there's no significant head contact."

 

[HillToKing]

St Kilda asks the jurors to deal "on certainty, not on speculation".

 

[Strahany]

tl;dr

St Kilda: “It should be low impact because [robust objective information]”

AFL: “It should be medium impact because [the vibe]”

 

[PoppedCorn]

St Kilda says Ben Long did not follow through with a full, front-on bump. "He in fact turned ... in an attempt to reduce impact. What he did by that action was reduce the potential to cause injury, not enlarge it. It's the very opposite of what is being contended by Mr Gleeson. Rather than create a potential (for serious injury), he has turned at the last minute and has in effect reduced the capacity for injury."

 

[LiterallyNobody]

St Kilda says Ben Long did not follow through with a full, front-on bump. "He in fact turned ... in an attempt to reduce impact. What he did by that action was reduce the potential to cause injury, not enlarge it. It's the very opposite of what is being contended by Mr Gleeson. Rather than create a potential (for serious injury), he has turned at the last minute and has in effect reduced the capacity for injury."

 

[Plugger35]

They have a jury in these cases now?

Sounds like a murder trial.

 

[lewdogs]

Has to get downgraded. Absolute disgrace if it doesn't.