AFL Player # 3: Darcy Parish

[Beerfish]

Contract Status: Unrestricted free agent 2028 or 2029
My Boy Draft 2024: Pick 18, doug85

 

[Keystone agony]

Equal 10th in score involvements with Dangerfield.
Top 9 includes forwards C Curnow, J Cameron, Greene, Hawkins and mids Petracca, Coniglio, Laird, Oliver, Cripps.
Then Parish.
So 6th best mid I suppose in that regard.

Delist

 

[Old Campaigner]

I'd trade him, a player can be unquestionably elite while simultaneously lacking in key aspects we desperately need.

 

[DERO]

I'd trade him, a player can be unquestionably elite while simultaneously lacking in key aspects we desperately need.

He is also unquestionably elite in key aspects that we need.

 

[Gabe251]

Trade him if he wants to stay?

Lol whoops. No the other way around.

 

[Dudoro]

The problem perhaps isn’t Parish as much, it’s rather who else Dodoro has brought in. Caldwell and Hobbs virtually same player as Parish obviously not as good tho. Merrett and Shiel other small midfielders. As seen yesterday with Danger and De Goey the previous week, a midfielder with burst is still missing. Stringer can’t do it every week

 

[bombadeer]

Can someone remind me why is Parish a problem? He's a ball magnet who gains plenty of territory and is working on his defensive game. If he does this for another 150 games, he'll have had a fine career.

 

[TheGrizz]

I honestly couldn't fathom why you would want to get rid of Parish at this stage.

 

[ghostdog]

The problem perhaps isn’t Parish as much, it’s rather who else Dodoro has brought in. Caldwell and Hobbs virtually same player as Parish obviously not as good tho. Merrett and Shiel other small midfielders. As seen yesterday with Danger and De Goey the previous week, a midfielder with burst is still missing. Stringer can’t do it every week

As I was reminded the other day, the mid with burst should be Tsatas.

 

[faible]

The problem perhaps isn’t Parish as much, it’s rather who else Dodoro has brought in. Caldwell and Hobbs virtually same player as Parish obviously not as good tho. Merrett and Shiel other small midfielders. As seen yesterday with Danger and De Goey the previous week, a midfielder with burst is still missing. Stringer can’t do it every week

Hobbs is a hardball get type of player, Parish isn’t that, his strength is reading a moving ball quicker than most and being clean when collecting it. A valuable skill no doubt, but hardball gets is what wins you big clearances in big moments in big games.

Think Jobe versus Parish for a key clearance to win a game, who would you trust to win a ball under physical pressure?

If Hobbs can become a player like Liberatore or Taylor Adams who thrive on winning that hardball get, Parish will look better for it IMO.

 

[citizen-erased]

Hobbs is a hardball get type of player, Parish isn’t that, his strength is reading a moving ball quicker than most and being clean when collecting it. A valuable skill no doubt, but hardball gets is what wins you big clearances in big moments in big games.

Think Jobe versus Parish for a key clearance to win a game, who would you trust to win a ball under physical pressure?

If Hobbs can become a player like Liberatore or Taylor Adams who thrive on winning that hardball get, Parish will look better for it IMO.

Adams not a bad comparison for hobbs. Though i hope hobbsy has better disposal

 

[doug85]

I honestly couldn't fathom why you would want to get rid of Parish at this stage.

Does anyone want to “get rid of him”? I think the sentiment is that if we were to receive an absolute bounty for him we should let him go as he is replaceable. FTR, I don’t think we’ll receive enough compo to make it worth letting him go.

 

[carloss]

Trade him for picks? How much faith do people have in our recruiting?

 

[citizen-erased]

posted this elsewhere

the comp standard is Bont
Parish is matching or beating him in most midfield key metrics outside tackles (where Bont is a monster and has size on his side)

Madness to let him go unless he wants it and we can get a top 5 pick for him...which is unders.
Now that Scott is finding the way to play him, Merrett and Shiel together, it'd be disappointing to see him go.

 

[Milanista28]

posted this elsewhere

the comp standard is Bont
Parish is matching or beating him in most midfield key metrics outside tackles (where Bont is a monster and has size on his side)

Madness to let him go unless he wants it and we can get a top 5 pick for him...which is unders.
Now that Scott is finding the way to play him, Merrett and Shiel together, it'd be disappointing to see him go.

Who would pick Parish over Bont though?

Bont, Petracca, De Goey, Dawson, Neale and Dangerfield, I'd say Parish has most of these guys covered for stats in the most important midfield metrics, but I would also say he's the least damaging player of that lot.

Bonts Parish is Libba, Petraccas is Oliver, Adams, Laird, Dunkley, Guthrie etc.

Parish is playing as our attacking clearance player, for us to go to the next level he needs to be the defensive workhorse for a superstar.

 

[faible]

posted this elsewhere

the comp standard is Bont
Parish is matching or beating him in most midfield key metrics outside tackles (where Bont is a monster and has size on his side)

Madness to let him go unless he wants it and we can get a top 5 pick for him...which is unders.
Now that Scott is finding the way to play him, Merrett and Shiel together, it'd be disappointing to see him go.

Only on a stat sheet would someone say Parish is ahead of Bontempelli....

 

[citizen-erased]

Only on a stat sheet would someone say Parish is ahead of Bontempelli....

well, that's why i said metrics

Have to recognise he's stepped up his game this year in many areas of previous deficiencies but also building on his strengths
Merrett and Parish are back in AA form.

But as you say, i'd have Bont & Oliver comfortably ahead as mids so far.

 

[citizen-erased]

Who would pick Parish over Bont though?

Bont, Petracca, De Goey, Dawson, Neale and Dangerfield, I'd say Parish has most of these guys covered for stats in the most important midfield metrics, but I would also say he's the least damaging player of that lot.

Bonts Parish is Libba, Petraccas is Oliver, Adams, Laird, Dunkley, Guthrie etc.

Parish is playing as our attacking clearance player, for us to go to the next level he needs to be the defensive workhorse for a superstar.

see above.
it was a comparison on stat metrics.

Eye test, i'd have him up there with Neale and Danger was pretty flat first few games.
Parish has been consistent, but he's a different player to what Danger/Bont do.

Asking him to be a defensive workhorse is square plug/round hole.
It's like saying Daicos is not a superstar cos his tackling numbers are even less than Parish, despite kid being in Brownlow form.

Should clarify im not saying he's the best midfielder in the comp, but we're talking about letting a top 10'er go for a pick likely well outside the top 5 in the draft.

 

[Milanista28]

see above.
it was a comparison on stat metrics.

Eye test, i'd have him up there with Neale and Danger was pretty flat first few games.
Parish has been consistent, but he's a different player to what Danger/Bont do.

Asking him to be a defensive workhorse is square plug/round hole.
It's like saying Daicos is not a superstar cos his tackling numbers are even less than Parish, despite kid being in Brownlow form.

Should clarify im not saying he's the best midfielder in the comp, but we're talking about letting a top 10'er go for a pick likely well outside the top 5 in the draft.

The bolded is the main reason I'd be ok with losing him for good compo, he wants to be the attacking threat but he's not damaging enough, a lot of his clearances end up on the wing/HFF or shallow entries, Danger and Petracca hit the goal square.

Parish is a fine footballer don't get me wrong but we need a guy to jump in front of him and be the alpha in our midfield, and then Parish supports that guy.

Jake is the guy who can do it but he's super inconsistent.

 

[faible]

The bolded is the main reason I'd be ok with losing him for good compo, he wants to be the attacking threat but he's not damaging enough, a lot of his clearances end up on the wing/HFF or shallow entries, Danger and Petracca hit the goal square.

Parish is a fine footballer don't get me wrong but we need a guy to jump in front of him and be the alpha in our midfield, and then Parish supports that guy.

Jake is the guy who can do it but he's super inconsistent.

Parish will be the Mitch Duncan to Tsatas as Dangerfield is what I'm reading.

Hobbs the Selwood.

 

[Milanista28]

Parish will be the Mitch Duncan to Tsatas as Dangerfield is what I'm reading.

Hobbs the Selwood.

Yeah Tsatas could be our ace, he can transform the midfield if his under age form translates to the big time, if he can add goal kicking from stoppage then we are talking.

 

[citizen-erased]

The bolded is the main reason I'd be ok with losing him for good compo, he wants to be the attacking threat but he's not damaging enough, a lot of his clearances end up on the wing/HFF or shallow entries, Danger and Petracca hit the goal square.

Parish is a fine footballer don't get me wrong but we need a guy to jump in front of him and be the alpha in our midfield, and then Parish supports that guy.

Jake is the guy who can do it but he's super inconsistent.

agree

We're probably a piece down in that respect.
or we need to design a system that makes use of our parts.
We've played some good football this year. When we've lost, it's been on the back of some bulls really hitting our midfield (Danger, De Goey and Ross specifically were good when the tide turned against us)

but we also went toe to toe with Oliver/Tracc quite well, which is no mean feat.

 

[Milanista28]

agree

We're probably a piece down in that respect.
or we need to design a system that makes use of our parts.
We've played some good football this year. When we've lost, it's been on the back of some bulls really hitting our midfield (Danger, De Goey and Ross specifically were good when the tide turned against us)

but we also went toe to toe with Oliver/Tracc quite well, which is no mean feat.

Yeah, we need to find that game breaker. We sign Parish it's most likely 5-7 years, we'll need to add the Rolls Royce next to him to get the best out of our midfield, maybe Tsatas.

I was keen for JDG last year, If we had been able to get him and he was in his current form, we'd be top of the ladder or close to.

 

[eth-dog]

Parish will be the Mitch Duncan to Tsatas as Dangerfield is what I'm reading.

Hobbs the Selwood.

Duncan is much more damaging due to his foot skills.

 

[ant555]

My view is simple. Have said it a few times but maybe it gets lost in the wash.
Looking at list profile.
If you think we will be in the top 4 window shorter term (2 to 3 seasons) and being a solid top 4 team by say 2026 then you do not trade him. You make sure you equip the midfield with some solid blokes who can maximize what he does.
If you are like me and see us as maybe around the bottom end of the 8 for the next 2 years but maybe 4 to 5 years from pushing into the top 4 as a serious side then you are looking at your options and what you may gain longer term when you are in the window. He is a seriously good player so what could you get for him that will help you in 4 to 5 years time.
I understand those who just can not swallow trading one of our best players in his prime. My view is simply based on what I have learnt in list management. You never say never and you have to have a real view of the list. Not saying I will be 100% right. It could turn quicker.
It comes down to Parish anyway. If he wants to stay then I am not pushing him out the door. If the club thinks he can be a major player in our premiership window I have no issue with them paying him a decent wage to keep him.
Personally I do not think he is super star level. He is the next level down. He will help you win games but he will not drag you over the line in a way that Dangerfield or Martin or Fyfe could do in their prime. If you give him the right midfield mix he will work within it to be one of your best players most weeks.
I will add that the only reason I look at him as a potential trade is he gets the best value and short term we can cover close to what he does with Shiel and Hobbs. Shiel does not have the trade value. I will conced that if someone came knocking for Shiel then that changes things. You would almost take an early third round to clear the cap space. I just do not think anyone is really looking at Dylan unless he wants out.

 

[jmoo wan]

My view is simple. Have said it a few times but maybe it gets lost in the wash.
Looking at list profile.
If you think we will be in the top 4 window shorter term (2 to 3 seasons) and being a solid top 4 team by say 2026 then you do not trade him. You make sure you equip the midfield with some solid blokes who can maximize what he does.
If you are like me and see us as maybe around the bottom end of the 8 for the next 2 years but maybe 4 to 5 years from pushing into the top 4 as a serious side then you are looking at your options and what you may gain longer term when you are in the window. He is a seriously good player so what could you get for him that will help you in 4 to 5 years time.
I understand those who just can not swallow trading one of our best players in his prime. My view is simply based on what I have learnt in list management. You never say never and you have to have a real view of the list. Not saying I will be 100% right. It could turn quicker.
It comes down to Parish anyway. If he wants to stay then I am not pushing him out the door. If the club thinks he can be a major player in our premiership window I have no issue with them paying him a decent wage to keep him.
Personally I do not think he is super star level. He is the next level down. He will help you win games but he will not drag you over the line in a way that Dangerfield or Martin or Fyfe could do in their prime. If you give him the right midfield mix he will work within it to be one of your best players most weeks.
I will add that the only reason I look at him as a potential trade is he gets the best value and short term we can cover close to what he does with Shiel and Hobbs. Shiel does not have the trade value. I will conced that if someone came knocking for Shiel then that changes things. You would almost take an early third round to clear the cap space. I just do not think anyone is really looking at Dylan unless he wants out.

can I have 50 cents each way on #3 please?