AFL Player # 3: Darcy Parish

[Beerfish]

Contract Status: Unrestricted free agent 2028 or 2029
My Boy Draft 2024: Pick 18, doug85

 

[TheGrizz]

If we finish 14th or 15th (very much on the cards) the FA compo starts to look pretty good

Except by signing McKay we lose any compensation for Parish.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Except by signing McKay we lose any compensation for Parish.

Trade him for a second round pick instead. Or pay Zerk so he stays and we don’t need McKay

 

[Bjchan13]

Except by signing McKay we lose any compensation for Parish.

I'll ask you again TheGrizz what do you think Parish is worth per annum?

 

[TheGrizz]

I'll ask you again TheGrizz what do you think Parish is worth per annum?

Whatever I said the last time you asked me. I dont think his value has dropped in a month.

 

[citizen-erased]

Trade him for a second round pick instead. Or pay Zerk so he stays and we don’t need McKay

We need a lockdown, spoiling kpd. McKay ain't that. He just adds to the logjam of interceptors we already have
But I also don't think parish is going anywhere

Id like to see him spend time back on HFF and bring that pressure he's introduced into his game.

He and Merrett
Jye and Hobbsy
Tsatas and setterfield

Do those rotations. I think that works

 

[Bjchan13]

Whatever I said the last time you asked me. I dont think his value has dropped in a month.

You didnt answer the last time. Thats why ive asked you again. Whats his value?

 

[TheGrizz]

You didnt answer the last time. Thats why ive asked you again. Whats his value?

Bullshit

Jacob Hopper is on 750k a year at Richmond, and he hasn't got the accolades in terms of AA and brownlow votes that Darcy has and Darcy has had much better forms past few years.

David King said Darcy was worth 900k in April, but I dont have him that high (very small group of players worth that).

So probably 800-850k ish on the open market, maybe a bit less to us with the traditional discount to stay.

The least you can do is actually read replies that you ask for.

 

[Bjchan13]

Bullshit

The least you can do is actually read replies that you ask for.

Easy Grizz. Apologies. Thats way too much though. You overrate him

 

[Bjchan13]

Thank you for answering. I think thats way too high for Parish personally and i dont think there is a club in the comp that would offer anything with an 8 in front of it long term. What do you think Redman and Martin are worth in salary? The reason i ask is because we are trying to sign all 3 simultaneously long term. To be clear i think Redman and Martin are worth 650k a year on long term deals. Id have Parish below those 2

This is the one you didnt answer TheGrizz

 

[BrunoV]

So if it only gets us pick 20 then your ok with letting him go?

I'd take a pick inside 85.

 

[Keystone agony]

I'd take a pick inside 85.

Glad we have Dodoro still then

 

[BrunoV]

Glad we have Dodoro still then

You'll be waiting for offers that will never come.

 

[Westlo]

Haha yes! Knew you’d cite Langfords goal. The hard work from Hobbs, handball over the top to parish. Finally hits a target inside 50. What a star

finally? he hit a target in the first 20 seconds for langers first goal lol

also had a few this game and in the past weeks where wright, bryan have missed more than gettable shots.

difference in this game was wright dropping that mark with a min to go in the 3rd.

Parish 27 disposals @ 53%.
Gulden 37 disposals @ 87%
Lloyd 31 disposals @ 87%

Your highest possession winners have to also be your best ball users.

So you would tell Taranto to keep hiking if he said he was coming here last year?

 

[TheGrizz]

Easy Grizz. Apologies. Thats way too much though. You overrate him

He is on 750k now? So basically I would keep his wage the same as it is to keep him.
Also remember that we don't build in CBA triggers to our contracts generally, so in the next CBA when the median wage is 500k, he will be 50% above average, which is about right.
Not to mention we have some 2m in cap space we need to use, so front loading it means he is probably on league average by the end of his deal...

He is paid less than Shiel at the moment, I don't know how the above can be 'overrating him', if a club comes in and offer 800+, I have to at least have a conversation about letting him go, but we don't get any FA compo (see below).

I am getting sick of being accused of overrating him or being a 'fanboi' because I dare not buy into the hysterics.

He is a borderline AA mid that has some truly elite traits, mostly perfectly solid in other areas, but also has other areas of issue that need to be fixed (the odd clangers and spotty defensive running). The reality is that if he didn't get injured earlier this year (and Setterfield, who does a lot of defensive grunt work to release him), a lot of media commentators had him in AA form, which would have had him 2 x AA by the age of 26, but 750k is too much to pay? Spare me.
No one is saying he is Tracc, Bont, Neale or that class, but they are paid 1m+ so it is a different pay scale.
The argument that he has 'no hurt factor' and 'defensive liability' to justify getting rid of a player of his quality at any cost is hyperbolic nonsense.

And the return for letting him go has to be considered as well.
If we were bottom 4 like last year, and could get pick 5 - then cool let's have a frank conversation about letting him go.
But if what the media says is correct, and we are getting McKay and Norf are getting pick 3, we get NOTHING for him if he leaves as a FA unless we match for a trade. At which point the appeal of Parish dies away for oppo clubs (like McKay would for us). So whatever trade return you get, it is not going to be anywhere close to a 26yo AA quality contested ball/clearance machine. But hey, leading the team in score involvements ISnT dAmAGiNG tHOugH so it's OK.

I have seen people suggest that it doesnt matter and we should just get rid of him, and we should just trade him for a 2nd round pick.
I mean, am I overrating a very good player or is this board just ****ing deluded.

 

[MiguelM]

He is on 750k now? So basically I would keep his wage the same as it is to keep him.
Also remember that we don't build in CBA triggers to our contracts generally, so in the next CBA when the median wage is 500k, he will be 50% above average, which is about right.
Not to mention we have some 2m in cap space we need to use, so front loading it means he is probably on league average by the end of his deal...

He is paid less than Shiel at the moment, I don't know how the above can be 'overrating him', if a club comes in and offer 800+, I have to at least have a conversation about letting him go, but we don't get any FA compo (see below).

I am getting sick of being accused of overrating him or being a 'fanboi' because I dare not buy into the hysterics.

He is a borderline AA mid that has some truly elite traits, mostly perfectly solid in other areas, but also has other areas of issue that need to be fixed (the odd clangers and spotty defensive running). The reality is that if he didn't get injured earlier this year (and Setterfield, who does a lot of defensive grunt work to release him), a lot of media commentators had him in AA form, which would have had him 2 x AA by the age of 26, but 750k is too much to pay? Spare me.
No one is saying he is Tracc, Bont, Neale or that class, but they are paid 1m+ so it is a different pay scale.
The argument that he has 'no hurt factor' and 'defensive liability' to justify getting rid of a player of his quality at any cost is hyperbolic nonsense.

And the return for letting him go has to be considered as well.
If we were bottom 4 like last year, and could get pick 5 - then cool let's have a frank conversation about letting him go.
But if what the media says is correct, and we are getting McKay and Norf are getting pick 3, we get NOTHING for him if he leaves as a FA unless we match for a trade. At which point the appeal of Parish dies away for oppo clubs (like McKay would for us). So whatever trade return you get, it is not going to be anywhere close to a 26yo AA quality contested ball/clearance machine. But hey, leading the team in score involvements ISnT dAmAGiNG tHOugH so it's OK.

I have seen people suggest that it doesnt matter and we should just get rid of him, and we should just trade him for a 2nd round pick.
I mean, am I overrating a very good player or is this board just ******* deluded.

Well put. I could post all day in this thread but it is futile and exhausting!

I have always rated Parish, you could see where he was elite from the early days. Yeah, he may not be a Bont, Petracca, Butters etc. but as you say they are the cream.

Fact is he is best 22 in most sides in the comp. Do cats fans bemoan every wayward kick from Danger?

Sometimes fans just have it in for someone. He goes to Geelong and the same fans will cry blue murder every time he has a blinder.

 

[DERO]

I’ma fanboy

 

[doug85]

He is on 750k now? So basically I would keep his wage the same as it is to keep him.
Also remember that we don't build in CBA triggers to our contracts generally, so in the next CBA when the median wage is 500k, he will be 50% above average, which is about right.
Not to mention we have some 2m in cap space we need to use, so front loading it means he is probably on league average by the end of his deal...

He is paid less than Shiel at the moment, I don't know how the above can be 'overrating him', if a club comes in and offer 800+, I have to at least have a conversation about letting him go, but we don't get any FA compo (see below).

I am getting sick of being accused of overrating him or being a 'fanboi' because I dare not buy into the hysterics.

He is a borderline AA mid that has some truly elite traits, mostly perfectly solid in other areas, but also has other areas of issue that need to be fixed (the odd clangers and spotty defensive running). The reality is that if he didn't get injured earlier this year (and Setterfield, who does a lot of defensive grunt work to release him), a lot of media commentators had him in AA form, which would have had him 2 x AA by the age of 26, but 750k is too much to pay? Spare me.
No one is saying he is Tracc, Bont, Neale or that class, but they are paid 1m+ so it is a different pay scale.
The argument that he has 'no hurt factor' and 'defensive liability' to justify getting rid of a player of his quality at any cost is hyperbolic nonsense.

And the return for letting him go has to be considered as well.
If we were bottom 4 like last year, and could get pick 5 - then cool let's have a frank conversation about letting him go.
But if what the media says is correct, and we are getting McKay and Norf are getting pick 3, we get NOTHING for him if he leaves as a FA unless we match for a trade. At which point the appeal of Parish dies away for oppo clubs (like McKay would for us). So whatever trade return you get, it is not going to be anywhere close to a 26yo AA quality contested ball/clearance machine. But hey, leading the team in score involvements ISnT dAmAGiNG tHOugH so it's OK.

I have seen people suggest that it doesnt matter and we should just get rid of him, and we should just trade him for a 2nd round pick.
I mean, am I overrating a very good player or is this board just ******* deluded.

Nice melt.

But really, the only time we should have entertained a Parish exit as a positive is if we were getting a top 5 pick in return. Or maybe two later first round picks.

 

[Bjchan13]

He is on 750k now? So basically I would keep his wage the same as it is to keep him.
Also remember that we don't build in CBA triggers to our contracts generally, so in the next CBA when the median wage is 500k, he will be 50% above average, which is about right.
Not to mention we have some 2m in cap space we need to use, so front loading it means he is probably on league average by the end of his deal...

He is paid less than Shiel at the moment, I don't know how the above can be 'overrating him', if a club comes in and offer 800+, I have to at least have a conversation about letting him go, but we don't get any FA compo (see below).

I am getting sick of being accused of overrating him or being a 'fanboi' because I dare not buy into the hysterics.

He is a borderline AA mid that has some truly elite traits, mostly perfectly solid in other areas, but also has other areas of issue that need to be fixed (the odd clangers and spotty defensive running). The reality is that if he didn't get injured earlier this year (and Setterfield, who does a lot of defensive grunt work to release him), a lot of media commentators had him in AA form, which would have had him 2 x AA by the age of 26, but 750k is too much to pay? Spare me.
No one is saying he is Tracc, Bont, Neale or that class, but they are paid 1m+ so it is a different pay scale.
The argument that he has 'no hurt factor' and 'defensive liability' to justify getting rid of a player of his quality at any cost is hyperbolic nonsense.

And the return for letting him go has to be considered as well.
If we were bottom 4 like last year, and could get pick 5 - then cool let's have a frank conversation about letting him go.
But if what the media says is correct, and we are getting McKay and Norf are getting pick 3, we get NOTHING for him if he leaves as a FA unless we match for a trade. At which point the appeal of Parish dies away for oppo clubs (like McKay would for us). So whatever trade return you get, it is not going to be anywhere close to a 26yo AA quality contested ball/clearance machine. But hey, leading the team in score involvements ISnT dAmAGiNG tHOugH so it's OK.

I have seen people suggest that it doesnt matter and we should just get rid of him, and we should just trade him for a 2nd round pick.
I mean, am I overrating a very good player or is this board just ******* deluded.

As said id keep him long term on a fair deal as i think he has the scope to keep working on his deficiencies and become a more rounded player for us. For me thats around 600k. Hes not in the 800k and above league. The more players we sign to fair deals while keeping our cap space available means more best 22 players we can attract via trade/free agency. Also can help keep our players we want to keep when other clubs come looking to poach.

 

[ant555]

There is no way you trade him out unless you get some value for him . He is a good player.

 

[Bjchan13]

There is no way you trade him out unless you get some value for him . He is a good player.

He's a free agent though. The value you get for him will be in the compo. As has been pointed out by many if we sign McKay the compo is gone. So option is to match and keep or match and force a trade. Id match and keep. We'll end up signing him first anyway, just haggling over money.

 

[ant555]

He's a free agent though. The value you get for him will be in the compo. As has been pointed out by many if we sign McKay the compo is gone. So option is to match and keep or match and force a trade. Id match and keep. We'll end up signing him first anyway, just haggling over money.

All I am saying is you do not lose him without getting something decent. That is my point. His trade value was at the end of last season which is when I said I would have looked at a trade.

 

[Bjchan13]

All I am saying is you do not lose him without getting something decent. That is my point. His trade value was at the end of last season which is when I said I would have looked at a trade.

What do you think you could have got for him end of last season?

 

[ant555]

What do you think you could have got for him end of last season?

Something in the top 10 but obviously someone had to be interested.

 

[Bjchan13]

Something in the top 10 but obviously someone had to be interested.

Dont think the interest was there and we obviously knew we'd get something similar this year if he were to leave. I agree dont let him or any players go without extracting max value and that is something Dodo is actually good at. As you say he is a good player and im in the keep him boat and keep working on his game. If he got a mega offer that was going to get us band 1 compo (highly unlikey) then you look at letting him walk.

 

[ant555]

Dont think the interest was there and we obviously knew we'd get something similar this year if he were to leave. I agree dont let him or any players go without extracting max value and that is something Dodo is actually good at. As you say he is a good player and im in the keep him boat and keep working on his game. If he got a mega offer that was going to get us band 1 compo (highly unlikey) then you look at letting him walk.

There was some interest from what I know but we where not really going too far down that track so it ran its course and did not amount to anything.