30 Years of The AFL

[Gibbke]

Can you bring me up to speed on the changes that have been made in Tas footy since the dramas early this year? I know there have been people/funds deployed but unsure of details. In your opinion will these measures work/be well received/have any effect?

The best people to ask would be the guys on the TSL forum. They're a bit closer to the action, and in some cases know the main players. I live in FNQ, so while certain aspects of the situation which have been going on for 35 years are pretty clear, the finer details would be better observed by the locals...

My overall impression is that McLachlan's efforts are token, and the new AFL Tas staff are treading the fine line still of not biting the hand that feeds them while trying to make their point. Better than the attitude Fitzpatrick and Andy used to give us, but same result...

 

[flamingEMBERS]

AFL Era (post 1990) is the Super Bowl era of Australian Football.

 

[FootyJunkie]

AFL Era (post 1990) is the Super Bowl era of Australian Football.

So flags before 1990 don't count?

 

[citizen-erased]

First official AFL flag = 1990
Therefore
30th Anniversary = 2020.

My OCD won't accept it any other way

EDIT: 30th Anniv. not years

 

[Dank Academy]

First official AFL flag = 1990
Therefore
30 years = 2020.

My OCD won't accept it any other way

It’s an OCD dilemma of the highest order: I’d say that celebrating the 30th season in what is actually the 31st AFL season would be worse?

 

[citizen-erased]

It’s an OCD dilemma of the highest order: I’d say that celebrating the 30th season in what is actually the 31st AFL season would be worse?
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why would you post that....i need a lie down.

EDIT: my post should have said 30th Anniversary, not 30 years.
A job in the AFL media awaits.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

So flags before 1990 don't count?

VFL flags hold their place in history. An AFL flag is significantly greater. When counting flags/premierships it should be noted the difference. It should not be for example Essendon; 16 VFL/AFL Premierships. It should be 1 AFL Premiership, 15 VFL Premierships.

 

[Ian Patche]

should in 1976 or summin yeah wen the aust football night champinship started, den became bigger in 1987 with 7 states doing a round robin, playn each other twice, like the same in da NRL too, the nrl is mainly in nsw, like de afl is mainly vic, yeh nrl should be 7 states, playing 2 times, with state leagues too, be similliar to usa nfl or baseball league or the english soccer

 

[Interstater]

Something must have changed:

• 1985 – Ch7 pay 3.5 million for 1986 TV rights
• 1987 – Ch7 pays 6 million a year ($30 million) for 5 years from 1988 – 1992
  
  
• 1992 – Ch7 pays 17 million a year for 1993 – 1998 (100 million)
• 1998 – Ch7 Pays 40 million a year for rights to 2001
• 2001 – Fox, Ch9 and Ch10 pays 500 million for rights for 5 years from 2002-2006, Radio nets the AFl 2 million
• 2006 – Ch7, Ch10 and Foxtel bid 750 million for 5 years from 2007-2011, Radio nets the AFl 8 million
• 2011 – Ch7, Foxtel and Telstra bid 1.25 billion for 5 years to 2017.

Amazing what rotating a letter 180 degrees and bracing it can do.

 

[Wallaby]

Something must have changed:

• 1985 – Ch7 pay 3.5 million for 1986 TV rights
• 1987 – Ch7 pays 6 million a year ($30 million) for 5 years from 1988 – 1992
  
  
• 1992 – Ch7 pays 17 million a year for 1993 – 1998 (100 million)
• 1998 – Ch7 Pays 40 million a year for rights to 2001
• 2001 – Fox, Ch9 and Ch10 pays 500 million for rights for 5 years from 2002-2006, Radio nets the AFl 2 million
• 2006 – Ch7, Ch10 and Foxtel bid 750 million for 5 years from 2007-2011, Radio nets the AFl 8 million
• 2011 – Ch7, Foxtel and Telstra bid 1.25 billion for 5 years to 2017.

Amazing what rotating a letter 180 degrees and bracing it can do.

One thing that did change in the last few years (10-15) is being able to show every game free-to-air and every game replayed during the week.

In the early/mid-80s (pre West Coast and Brisbane), there was no live TV except for the Swans on (every 2nd) Sunday. There were 1-2 quarters replays available on the Sat night, and maybe some on Sunday Morning (World of Sport Replay would come and go for a few years). So an average per week of 2 quarters of football live plus 2-4 quarters replay available. And only a one-time replay. With West Coast and Brisbane we got an extra 1-2 games free-to-air per week.

Then we got Live Friday Nights, live Saturday Nights and it just grew from there. So new we get all 36 quarters of football live, plus 36 quarters available for replay every week - and the replays happen several times during the week, so there is always a time you can catch them.

Even if there were no interstate sides, the TV rights would still have risen significantly. Sure the interstate sides add 50% more base content and probably 50-75% more viewers than when it was just Victorian based - but that main thing is the volume of content available for the TV networks to show has risen 20+ times. If it was still just the 12 VFL sides, the content available would still have risen at least 10+ times, and the TV rights would increase proportionally.

 

[telsor]

Something must have changed:

• 1985 – Ch7 pay 3.5 million for 1986 TV rights
• 1987 – Ch7 pays 6 million a year ($30 million) for 5 years from 1988 – 1992
  
  
• 1992 – Ch7 pays 17 million a year for 1993 – 1998 (100 million)
• 1998 – Ch7 Pays 40 million a year for rights to 2001
• 2001 – Fox, Ch9 and Ch10 pays 500 million for rights for 5 years from 2002-2006, Radio nets the AFl 2 million
• 2006 – Ch7, Ch10 and Foxtel bid 750 million for 5 years from 2007-2011, Radio nets the AFl 8 million
• 2011 – Ch7, Foxtel and Telstra bid 1.25 billion for 5 years to 2017.

Amazing what rotating a letter 180 degrees and bracing it can do.

Sporting comps the world over had similar rises. Going national doubtless helped, but it was a relatively small factor compared to the overall increase in the thirst for content by media groups.

Foxtel starting in 1995 was probably a bigger influence.

 

[Ian Patche]

AFL Era (post 1990) is the Super Bowl era of Australian Football.

era should be 1976 when the aussie national champs night series, or 1987 when the west coke eagles and the bears came in the league

 

[flamingEMBERS]

era should be 1976 when the aussie national champs night series, or 1987 when the west coke eagles and the bears came in the league

Or when the name of the league actually changed...

 

[Coaster2012]

It was a clever marketing strategy and a token gesture towards WA and SA footy to soften the psychological death blow to their state leagues.

It’s still a Victorian league ..just with satellite teams flying in to have the privilege of playing at the MCG and having a tilt at the premiereship.

You spelt winning wrong.

 

[telsor]

Or when the name of the league actually changed...

That there are so many possible dates just shows that it's the same comp.

It evolved, gradually. It didn't stop and restart anew.

 

[telsor]

You spelt winning wrong.

Adelaide fans would disagree...

 

[Roddy]

I'm happy for the start date to be '87, means we have 7 flags in the AFL era....

 

[Bunk Moreland]

The league really started in 2012 with GC and GWS.

 

[Dank Academy]

I’m still sticking with 1990 season as the start of the AFL comp. Plenty of changes happened either side of that season, but none quite as significant as the rebadging itself.


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[Dazzler9]

I’m still sticking with 1990 season as the start of the AFL comp. Plenty of changes happened either side of that season, but none quite as significant as the rebadging itself.


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100%. You have to draw the line somewhere, so you may well do it when, you know, they actually changed it to AFL.

 

[telsor]

100%. You have to draw the line somewhere, so you may well do it when, you know, they actually changed it to AFL.

So why not draw the line at the same point the AFL itself draws the line?

 

[Gibbke]

I’m still sticking with 1990 season as the start of the AFL comp. Plenty of changes happened either side of that season, but none quite as significant as the rebadging itself.


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No way. Just a name change, that's it. There was no difference between 1989 and 1990 apart from a logo, about as significant as the Benson & Hedges World Series Cup becoming the VB Cup or whatever once cigarette advertising was outlawed.

In 1986, the three mainland leagues and possibly Tassie were regarded as the equivalent as today's Tier 1. SA and WA teams competed in the night series as equals, with the SA Roosters making the SF. The draft was inaugurated, salary capping and its rules operated under an entirely different structure, and tv rights were cosy with 7. In 1987, all of it was upended. The interstate leagues were relegated, and the draft completely overhauled due to new teams. Teams like the Hawks and Blues were now forced to act like the rest of the pack, no longer free to take anyone they wanted in Australia. The ABC got a 1 year deal, and the return in 1988 to 7 brought with it irreversible changes to tv coverage. If anything, the rebadging was an afterthought, brought on because once the dust had settled a few years later, it was clear the final step towards national acceptance would be dropping the big V from the name for something more inclusive. But make no mistake, the biggest upheaval was that summer on 1986-87, and nothing even came close. In 1990, the name change was even done half-arsed - a badge on the jumper, but it still the VFL logo on the shorts...!

The AFL started in 1990. The national league, the actual era, and footy as we know it started in 1987, and had already been fermenting with the 1930's Foreign Legion, leading to the 1960-70's VFL acquisition of interstaters in greater numbers, and then the proliferation of interstate club footy culminating in the relocation of the Swans...

 

[flamingEMBERS]

No way. Just a name change, that's it. There was no difference between 1989 and 1990 apart from a logo, about as significant as the Benson & Hedges World Series Cup becoming the VB Cup or whatever once cigarette advertising was outlawed.

In 1986, the three mainland leagues and possibly Tassie were regarded as the equivalent as today's Tier 1. SA and WA teams competed in the night series as equals, with the SA Roosters making the SF. The draft was inaugurated, salary capping and its rules operated under an entirely different structure, and tv rights were cosy with 7. In 1987, all of it was upended. The interstate leagues were relegated, and the draft completely overhauled due to new teams. Teams like the Hawks and Blues were now forced to act like the rest of the pack, no longer free to take anyone they wanted in Australia. The ABC got a 1 year deal, and the return in 1988 to 7 brought with it irreversible changes to tv coverage. If anything, the rebadging was an afterthought, brought on because once the dust had settled a few years later, it was clear the final step towards national acceptance would be dropping the big V from the name for something more inclusive. But make no mistake, the biggest upheaval was that summer on 1986-87, and nothing even came close. In 1990, the name change was even done half-arsed - a badge on the jumper, but it still the VFL logo on the shorts...!

The AFL started in 1990. The national league, the actual era, and footy as we know it started in 1987, and had already been fermenting with the 1930's Foreign Legion, leading to the 1960-70's VFL acquisition of interstaters in greater numbers, and then the proliferation of interstate club footy culminating in the relocation of the Swans...

AFL era is 1990. That's when they changed the name, thats the AFL. 1987 is the VFL. So simple.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

AFL era is 1990. That's when they changed the name, thats the AFL. 1987 is the VFL. So simple.

Every year someone thinks they have the argument to change history. Problem is it's the same flawed argument and it goes nowhere.

Do the AFL refer to their 29 year history or their 122 year history? Which one would most companies opt for?

Change your name, lose your history. Nice one.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Every year someone thinks they have the argument to change history. Problem is it's the same flawed argument and it goes nowhere.

Do the AFL refer to their 29 year history or their 122 year history? Which one would most companies opt for?

Change your name, lose your history. Nice one.

No one's neglecting the past Victorian League. However the AFL is a different comp. Proper professional comp.