#31 Welcome to the Bulldogs Josh Dolan

[weltschmerz]

Yeah saw that. Was more wondering did they have a camera set up when talking about all of the potential draftees. Obviously they would never show the rest of the tape. Would just be interesting to see.

I'm sure they do. When Charlie Clarke's footage went up, they start with "and this one's the other small forward", making me think they'd been just talking about Konstanty.

 

[_Cerberus_]

Elite kicking inside 50? Hope we actually allow him to do that, instead of instructing him to bomb it to the middle of the outback and hope someone marks it in the air 1 vs 3. We need more players lowering their eyes and hitting forwards on the lead.

Love this guys personality and confidence.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Twomey just named him as the "under the radar popular pick of the draft", and said that Port, Freo, Hawthorn and Essendon all wanted to take him in the 30s. A lesson to the couple of comments that questioned why we traded up to take a player that we could have had later. Don't be fooled by the mock drafts, teams usually rank players a lot differently.

 

[Wizard17]

Twomey just named him as the "under the radar popular pick of the draft", and said that Port, Freo, Hawthorn and Essendon all wanted to take him in the 30s. A lesson to the couple of comments that questioned why we traded up to take a player that we could have had later. Don't be fooled by the mock drafts, teams usually rank players a lot differently.

I said it straight away that we traded up for someone we thought those teams would be keen on

 

[_Cerberus_]

Twomey just named him as the "under the radar popular pick of the draft", and said that Port, Freo, Hawthorn and Essendon all wanted to take him in the 30s. A lesson to the couple of comments that questioned why we traded up to take a player that we could have had later. Don't be fooled by the mock drafts, teams usually rank players a lot differently.

Hannaford, Oliver, Faull, were all tipped to go with picks in the 20s. Yet all of them went in the teens. Shows that recruiters see more than people who watch a few videos online do. Direct interviews is something clubs also have, that watchers do not have. Plus most mocks are based on best available rankings and forgetting what clubs actually need.

 

[stefoid]

I know we have said it before, but talk about our recruiters putting their balls on the line.

1) By targeting Sanders last year, we missed out on some other player in the teens in 23, along with one of Reid, Hannaford or Oliver in 24

2) Hynes - you will always keep an eye on who you took with your 1st rounder vs others available.

3) specifically trading up to get Dolan vs keeping 35+48 (35 would have been moraes Im guessing, and 48 Davidson + whoever we would have picked with our 3rd rounder in 25)

 

[_Cerberus_]

I know we have said it before, but talk about our recruiters putting their balls on the line.

1) By targeting Sanders last year, we missed out on some other player in the teens in 23, along with one of Reid, Hannaford or Oliver in 24

2) Hynes - you will always keep an eye on who you took with your 1st rounder vs others available.

3) specifically trading up to get Dolan vs keeping 35+48 (35 would have been moraes Im guessing, and 48 Davidson + whoever we would have picked with our 3rd rounder in 25)

That is assuming every player is still picked at their same pick though, which would not have been the case if all picks stayed at their original pick, and were not moved around. Every single move causes a chain reaction down the line. Someone who stayed put instead of trading back, could have targeted a player another X team wanted, who then turned to Dolan as their back up plan, and suddenly we have missed him. So we take Moraes instead, and Port then be like "damn we wanted him, at least our back up Davidson is there". And we missed out on the player we wanted again. And so forth.

The club moved picks because they had a plan, and targeted players who filled big needs. Next years third round picks would have been much later on in the draft, given how very compromised the draft will be with academy and father son picks, plus it likely being a much shallower draft. Means we had access to players with a higher ceiling in this years third round, compared to next years.

I wouldn't fret over missing one single pick in the teens this year. Sanders is solid, and there is no saying Reid, Hannaford or Oliver would have been our first choice, yet alone go on to be stars. This is something that you revisit after 5 years to get a proper rating on.

I genuinely like the fact the club has been bold, had clear cut plans, and chased the players that we wanted. As opposed to just sitting back and taking the left overs. Last years draft also looks meh. Only Wilson taken around our original pick, prior to the trade, looks decent. So we would have likely ended up with a blown pick likely to be delisted/fringe 22, and Croft. Instead of Sanders and Croft. Probably saved us blowing the pick tbh.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I said it straight away that we traded up for someone we thought those teams would be keen on

Turns out it was a slick af move, knowing what we know now

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Hannaford, Oliver, Faull, were all tipped to go with picks in the 20s. Yet all of them went in the teens. Shows that recruiters see more than people who watch a few videos online do. Direct interviews is something clubs also have, that watchers do not have. Plus most mocks are based on best available rankings and forgetting what clubs actually need.

Not to mention any player that's been injured for a decent stretch gets underrated in mock drafts. Faull and Dolan both examples.

As an aside (and to bignote myself), I was certain Hannaford was going first round, despite where most had him going. I called it out as GWS's pick right before it happened. He had Giants written all over him.

 

[JohnnySteel]

Dolan is exactly what we need in our forward line. Hopefully he comes on quickly / is fast tracked.

 

[Golden_6]

Dolan is exactly what we need in our forward line. Hopefully he comes on quickly / is fast tracked.

It will be purely down to whether the defensive game can by up to AFL level straight away.

The offensive side won’t hold him back given the lack of skills and impact that Vandermeer & McNeil gave us in the forward half.

The club has proven it will prioritise defensive effort from this role over anything else.

 

[Dogs 13]

That is assuming every player is still picked at their same pick though, which would not have been the case if all picks stayed by all teams were not moved around. Every single move causes a chain reaction. Someone who stayed put instead of trading back, could have targeted a player another X team wanted, who then turned to Dolan as their back up plan, and suddenly we have missed him. So we take Moraes instead, and Port then be like "damn we wanted him, at least our back up Davidson is there". And we missed out on the player we wanted again. And so forth.

The club moved picks because they had a plan, and targeted players who filled big needs. Next years third round picks would have been much later on in the draft, given how very compromised the draft will be with academy and father son picks, plus it likely being a much shallower draft. Means we had access to players with a higher ceiling in this years third round, compared to next years.

I wouldn't fret over missing one single pick in the teens this year. Sanders is solid, and there is no saying Reid, Hannaford or Oliver would have been our first choice, yet alone go on to be stars. This is something that you revisit after 5 years to get a proper rating on.

I genuinely like the fact the club has been bold, had clear cut plans, and chased the players that we wanted. As opposed to just sitting back and taking the left overs. Last years draft also looks meh. Only Wilson taken around our original pick, prior to the trade, looks decent. So we would have likely ended up with a blown pick likely to be delisted/fringe 22, and Croft. Instead of Sanders and Croft. Probably saved us blowing the pick tbh.

The ESPN article rating each team’s performance in the draft said we were sweating on Reid, but happy to take Hynes.

 

[Pencil case]

The ESPN article rating each team’s performance in the draft said we were sweating on Reid, but happy to take Hynes.

Reid screams bust, that’s why he slid

 

[Bonti 5416]

The club has proven it will prioritise defensive effort from this role over anything else.

We’ve never had any other decent options in this area. Davidson, Dolan and even Luke Kennedy give us some much needed depth in these crucial roles.

I love how we targeted very specific roles. Fingers crossed this guy is the high half forward connecter that we desperately need.

 

[DiamondDogs8]

Is he still rehabbing his knee?

 

[5 Bucks]

Looks to have similar attributes as Dylan Moore. I like it.

 

[Hoges64]

I know we have said it before, but talk about our recruiters putting their balls on the line.

1) By targeting Sanders last year, we missed out on some other player in the teens in 23, along with one of Reid, Hannaford or Oliver in 24

2) Hynes - you will always keep an eye on who you took with your 1st rounder vs others available.

3) specifically trading up to get Dolan vs keeping 35+48 (35 would have been moraes Im guessing, and 48 Davidson + whoever we would have picked with our 3rd rounder in 25)

Not really, because our first could / would quite easily have been chewed up by Croft.

At this stage, and obviously it's very early doors, there's really only Darcy Wilson outside the top 10 that's done anything of note YET. Moving up to get Sanders cost us basically nothing of note last year.

Yes, it has cost us a Hannaford, Oliver or Reid this year, but had we grabbed Hannaford or Oliver we'd have a gaping hole in our future mid stocks, or question marks on Reid.

I'm perfectly happy with what they've done with the situation in front of them. Don't think what they did was that "ballsy", just what had to be done with the Croft situation, though as most of us said at the time we'd have much preferred a second or at least a third back from the Suns in the original trade.

 

[Martyn_30_]

Not really, because our first could / would quite easily have been chewed up by Croft.

At this stage, and obviously it's very early doors, there's really only Darcy Wilson outside the top 10 that's done anything of note YET. Moving up to get Sanders cost us basically nothing of note last year.

Yes, it has cost us a Hannaford, Oliver or Reid this year, but had we grabbed Hannaford or Oliver we'd have a gaping hole in our future mid stocks, or question marks on Reid.

I'm perfectly happy with what they've done with the situation in front of them. Don't think what they did was that "ballsy", just what had to be done with the Croft situation, though as most of us said at the time we'd have much preferred a second or at least a third back from the Suns in the original trade.

Last year they should've traded traded the two first rounders into this draft and done some other trades for Crofts points. Which would ended up with three first rounders this year instead of Sanders and one later one which ended up happening, it's unlikely that the trade doesn't turn out to be a big mistake in hindsight.

 

[X_box_X]

Hannaford, Oliver, Faull, were all tipped to go with picks in the 20s. Yet all of them went in the teens. Shows that recruiters see more than people who watch a few videos online do. Direct interviews is something clubs also have, that watchers do not have. Plus most mocks are based on best available rankings and forgetting what clubs actually need.

Yep. Don't underestimate the importance of personality which usually only comes out when clubs interview players. It might not always be the deciding factor, but I reckon more often than not, if recruiters are 50-50 about a couple of players, they'd end up going with the player who impresses them the most in terms of their personality, upbringing, lifestyle, appearance of the family home, etc. All small things that could have a big difference to whether the player goes in the 30s or 40s.

 

[Mojorisin]

Last year they should've traded traded the two first rounders into this draft and done some other trades for Crofts points. Which would ended up with three first rounders this year instead of Sanders and one later one which ended up happening, it's unlikely that the trade doesn't turn out to be a big mistake in hindsight.

That would've been my preference aswell but you need to find a willing participant to do a trade with.

 

[Hoges64]

Last year they should've traded traded the two first rounders into this draft and done some other trades for Crofts points. Which would ended up with three first rounders this year instead of Sanders and one later one which ended up happening, it's unlikely that the trade doesn't turn out to be a big mistake in hindsight.

So easy to say, virtually impossible to do.