Player Watch #33: Kamdyn McIntosh Re-Signed until 2025

[Boston tiger]

Auto selection / gifted games.. these terms are just throw away lines for supporters.. unless you are talking about aging superstar legends such as Dusty and Jack calibres.
The club had a little peek last year of life without Kmac and we looked a little light and underdeveloped. Kmac is a beast.
There is definitely a spot on the wing for someone but it’s a tough gig. Ralph Smith looks like he’s made it and the other one is there for the taking.
As someone said before .. Kmac will be filing holes.

 

[Punt Road Feral]

The “gifting games” argument goes both ways.

If one of our younger kids are getting games ahead of Kmac despite inferior conditioning, preparation and intensity at training, two way running then what sort of standards is our club setting for our future.

The ball is in our kids court at the moment. If you can be up there with Kmac in terms of some serious professional KPI’s I’m certain the club will pick them over someone like Kmac.
If they aren’t getting picked it’s obvious they aren’t doing enough on and off the track on a consistent basis to warrant selection in the side.

 

[Muddiemoose]

The “gifting games” argument goes both ways.

If one of our younger kids are getting games ahead of Kmac despite inferior conditioning, preparation and intensity at training, two way running then what sort of standards is our club setting for our future.

The ball is in our kids court at the moment. If you can be up there with Kmac in terms of some serious professional KPI’s I’m certain the club will pick them over someone like Kmac.
If they aren’t getting picked it’s obvious they aren’t doing enough on and off the track on a consistent basis to warrant selection in the side.

That’s how I see it as well, Kmac is now essentially the measuring stick for our young wingers to try and emulate

If they can match or beat him they get first nod but if they can’t meet the standards required Kmac is the one who creates pressure on that position to perform

Also a great plug and play guy to fill a role elsewhere if needed depending on injury’s if other draftees aren’t ready or not the right player position wise

Throw in the other intangible factors as well (culture, leadership, mentorship, ect ect ect)

 

[lizard man]

I really hope he plays better next year

 

[tora tora tora]

Yze didn’t drop senior players last year because he simply didn’t have any viable alternatives to pick from for 80% of the season

Me and the whole footy world saw Jayden Short dog that marking contest. Late year vs GWS I think. Kaleb Smith was available and should've walked into the side.


2 full games from Smith & then late late call on as Sub. half a qtr. sucked too. Flew his parents from Freo too. Made em travel to Geelong. 17th on the ladder

 

[Muddiemoose]

Me and the whole footy world saw Jayden Short dog that marking contest. Late year vs GWS I think. Kaleb Smith was available and should've walked into the side.


2 full games from Smith & then late late call on as Sub. half a qtr. sucked too. Flew his parents from Freo too. Made em travel to Geelong. 17th on the ladder

Smith literally debuted the next game after the GWS game you mentioned, with Short still in the side

Played two more games (with short still in the side) missed the game against North Melbourne for personal reasons (round 21) and didn’t play the other two remaining games

So I’m not sure why you are bringing up Short in regards to Smith not getting a game when it was obviously Smiths individual form and not being ready that kept him out of the side

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Needs to drop the gratuitous nail belt and in rd 1 get back to doing what he does best, spear tackling Carlton campaigners into the Austin with a multiple subluxes, whatever they are.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

I can understand the argument. He’s a running machine and if we want to keep shutting down that side of the ground we don’t have anyone else.

He’s coming to the end I agree but we need some senior players to stick around for a bit. I wouldn’t turf him.

I'll happily agree he used to do this really well...

But he's been shit at that role for the last two years!!!!

Does he stop running, no to his credit he doesn't...

But the fact remains that he doesn't do the role created for him well anymore.

That many times in the last two seasons, all he has done is chase tail up and down the wing, rather than close down space before the ball even gets there.

The he has zero positive impact on the game, misses tackles, turns it over from the handful of times he gets it each game.

Once a month he will have an 8-10 possession qtr (still finish the game with 12-14 possessions) then nothing for a month.


It's not that we don't appreciate whats he done, WE DO, but it's gone past him, and there is no point wasting games on him that a kid should be getting under his belt.

 

[Moppey]

Should have been delisted is a bona fide list clogger and has been for years.

He may be an off field leader but he for sure and certain is not one onfield.Good old flappers McIntosh sheesh.
His role was made redundant four years ago and the only thing that has probably saved him has been our horrid drafting in that time and our refusal to address obvious list needs.

For me i would be looking for nothing more than a simple upgrade on him if experience was the excuse for keeping him. To upgrade McIntosh is a simple thing to do.

If he is so valuable as a clubman then keep him in a paid vfl role but ffs stop clogging the list with these types.

He offers nothing to the kids, onfield he is a battler with poor disposal a fumbler and does not lead from the front. In fact just about the biggest momentum killer we have.
If We play him forward what does that achieve. Just one thing it denies kids and developing players senior games.
We have a few running types who have been in the system and are hardly kids anymore if they have not gone past him then i suggest people start questioning the wisdom of keeping them also.

We don't even need his experience we have enough mature players right thru the side.
Balta 25, Broad 31 Vlastuin 30, miller 25yo Young 26yo Short 29yo well maybe i go to far with him down back.
Hopper28 Taranto27 Prestia32 Ross24 Hrs 23 yo Nankervis 30 midfield none are kids.
Lynch 32 Kossie 24, Lefau 26 Mansell 24 Mrj 23 forward.

 

[All Aust]

I'll happily agree he used to do this really well...

But he's been shit at that role for the last two years!!!!

Does he stop running, no to his credit he doesn't...

But the fact remains that he doesn't do the role created for him well anymore.

That many times in the last two seasons, all he has done is chase tail up and down the wing, rather than close down space before the ball even gets there.

The he has zero positive impact on the game, misses tackles, turns it over from the handful of times he gets it each game.

Once a month he will have an 8-10 possession qtr (still finish the game with 12-14 possessions) then nothing for a month.


It's not that we don't appreciate whats he done, WE DO, but it's gone past him, and there is no point wasting games on him that a kid should be getting under his belt.

What he needs is to score 2 goals per game and a goal assist or 2...then, oppo are forced to change their tactics.
At the minute every team knows exactly what they will get and it doesn't hurt them.

 

[Infamy]

What he needs is to score 2 goals per game and a goal assist or 2...then, oppo are forced to change their tactics.
At the minute every team knows exactly what they will get and it doesn't hurt them.

He would be All Australian with averages like that, that's a pretty high bar

 

[All Aust]

He would be All Australian with averages like that, that's a pretty high bar

I am All Aust. He's a Tigers player.

If he kicked 80 and assisted 60 in season he'd have the regulation no lube buggerall chance of getting named.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

The “gifting games” argument goes both ways.

If one of our younger kids are getting games ahead of Kmac despite inferior conditioning, preparation and intensity at training, two way running then what sort of standards is our club setting for our future.

The ball is in our kids court at the moment. If you can be up there with Kmac in terms of some serious professional KPI’s I’m certain the club will pick them over someone like Kmac.
If they aren’t getting picked it’s obvious they aren’t doing enough on and off the track on a consistent basis to warrant selection in the side.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

I'll happily agree he used to do this really well...

But he's been shit at that role for the last two years!!!!

Does he stop running, no to his credit he doesn't...

But the fact remains that he doesn't do the role created for him well anymore.

That many times in the last two seasons, all he has done is chase tail up and down the wing, rather than close down space before the ball even gets there.

The he has zero positive impact on the game, misses tackles, turns it over from the handful of times he gets it each game.

Once a month he will have an 8-10 possession qtr (still finish the game with 12-14 possessions) then nothing for a month.


It's not that we don't appreciate whats he done, WE DO, but it's gone past him, and there is no point wasting games on him that a kid should be getting under his belt.

Let me refresh your memory...
The whole side was sheet this year...
The tsunami of physical injuries just put huge pressure on what players were left to carry the side...
Guess what, none...absolutely none...could do it on a regular basis or with quality performance...
Even the GOAT looked like a mongrel dog at times...
We were collectively sheet...
So you would cull Kmac...
A seasoned hard physical unit who drives high training standards from our side...while we are still sheet...
At the bottom of the AFL Ladder sheet...
And from whom would the youngsters learn?!
Kmac right now is a valuable addition to the RFC until his high standards suffer and/or he gets squeezed out...
The whole side is in transition...not competiting for a GF...on that basis alone one would cut Kmac some slack.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

Let me refresh your memory...
The whole side was sheet this year...
The tsunami of physical injuries just put huge pressure on what players were left to carry the side...
Guess what, none...absolutely none...could do it on a regular basis or with quality performance...
Even the GOAT looked like a mongrel dog at times...
We were collectively sheet...
So you would cull Kmac...
A seasoned hard physical unit who drives high training standards from our side...while we are still sheet...
At the bottom of the AFL Ladder sheet...
And from whom would the youngsters learn?!
Kmac right now is a valuable addition to the RFC until his high standards suffer and/or he gets squeezed out...
The whole side is in transition...not competiting for a GF...on that basis alone one would cut Kmac some slack.

you don't have to refresh anything Jak...

If you think that Kmac is the basis/standard to build our entire future on, then we might as well scrap the rebuild before it even starts.

He was lucky to survive not being delisted, anyone who thinks he is a benchmark of some sort doesn't know what setting standards mean.

 

[Livonski]

you don't have to refresh anything Jak...

If you think that Kmac is the basis/standard to build our entire future on, then we might as well scrap the rebuild before it even starts.

He was lucky to survive not being delisted, anyone who thinks he is a benchmark of some sort doesn't know what setting standards mean.

Not building the future on him, don't think anyone has said that.

But while the kids are building afl bodies this guy is made of granite and can shoulder the physical load to a degree.
Yep he's a butcher, doesn't seem to get it enough, but there'll be times next year when four of the kids are cooked halfway thru the third quarter. He'll be there to take the punishment, run his guts out to protect the kids.
So no, we're not building the future on him, he's helping others to build it.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Not building the future on him, don't think anyone has said that.

But while the kids are building afl bodies this guy is made of granite and can shoulder the physical load to a degree.
Yep he's a butcher, doesn't seem to get it enough, but there'll be times next year when four of the kids are cooked halfway thru the third quarter. He'll be there to take the punishment, run his guts out to protect the kids.
So no, we're not building the future on him, he's helping others to build it.

Zackly right...let's not get facts in the way of a bad cherry-picking post!

 

[Grrr]

What he needs is to score 2 goals per game and a goal assist or 2...then, oppo are forced to change their tactics.
At the minute every team knows exactly what they will get and it doesn't hurt them.

Surely you are not advocating scoreboard pressure, what sort of talk is that.

 

[All Aust]

Surely you are not advocating scoreboard pressure, what sort of talk is that.

Wishful fools gabble

 

[Moppey]

Not building the future on him, don't think anyone has said that.

But while the kids are building afl bodies this guy is made of granite and can shoulder the physical load to a degree.
Yep he's a butcher, doesn't seem to get it enough, but there'll be times next year when four of the kids are cooked halfway thru the third quarter. He'll be there to take the punishment, run his guts out to protect the kids.
So no, we're not building the future on him, he's helping others to build it.

What kids? It is not kids challenging him for his spot.

Main contenders.

HRS - 23yo drafted 2019 entering yr 6. Not sure if he is an answer but he has passed McIntosh.
Ross- 24yo drafted 2018 entering yr 7. Played wing a reasonable performer also gone passed McIntosh.
Banks - 22yo Drafted 2021 entering yr 4. Another who is at least on par with him and is showing good signs is now at an age where we need to play him.

Kids who have good attributes for the role

Campbell 20 yo drafted 2022 entering yr 3. Played 21 games this yr as a forward. He has a huge tank really good pace and is a good ball user and he has a go. He has all the attributes of a winger and it would be damn smart of us not to just pencil him in as a forward. Already prefer him to McIntosh in any role and my #1 preference for a wing spot going fwd.

Clarke 21 yo drafted 2021 entering yr 4. Another with good attributes for a running role weather it be high fwd or wing. Also at an age where we need to play him if he is over injury.

Smith 19 yo drafted 2022 entering yr 3. Foot problems has been the problem stifling his growth.
Of all the players we have on the list he probably has the best attributes for either a wing or hb role.
Pace delivery a good motor will defend and breaks the lines. I have him pencilled in as our future sml defender instead of Short but no reason why he cannot be played on a wing.

Older option

Broad 32 yo. With the emergence of Brown to take over Broads role at hb we could easily just roll Broad up to a wing. Infinately better older option to McIntosh who is accountable a very good runner already provides rebound from the back half with the added bonus of Brown taking over his role long term role.
Want a defensive winger for the short term well here we have one.

Every player mentioned is a better option to McIntosh for several good reasons.

I will make the point again why does it have to be mutually inclusive to keep McIntosh at the club and on the list at the same time..

People are saying they want him there for his work ethic and he is such a good club man. So keep him at the club but do not put him on the list. Give him a job as playing assistant coach in the vfl or some such thing but being a good bloke and liked is not a good enough reason to keep him on the list.
He provides us with so little when he gets games.

 

[Wrenny]

Zackly right...let's not get facts in the way of a bad cherry-picking post!

 

[Hoos]

What he needs is to score 2 goals per game and a goal assist or 2...then, oppo are forced to change their tactics.

More chance of Crystal Palace winning the Champions League.

 

[Noidnadroj]

What kids? It is not kids challenging him for his spot.

Main contenders.

HRS - 23yo drafted 2019 entering yr 6. Not sure if he is an answer but he has passed McIntosh.
Ross- 24yo drafted 2018 entering yr 7. Played wing a reasonable performer also gone passed McIntosh.
Banks - 22yo Drafted 2021 entering yr 4. Another who is at least on par with him and is showing good signs is now at an age where we need to play him.

Kids who have good attributes for the role

Campbell 20 yo drafted 2022 entering yr 3. Played 21 games this yr as a forward. He has a huge tank really good pace and is a good ball user and he has a go. He has all the attributes of a winger and it would be damn smart of us not to just pencil him in as a forward. Already prefer him to McIntosh in any role and my #1 preference for a wing spot going fwd.

Clarke 21 yo drafted 2021 entering yr 4. Another with good attributes for a running role weather it be high fwd or wing. Also at an age where we need to play him if he is over injury.

Smith 19 yo drafted 2022 entering yr 3. Foot problems has been the problem stifling his growth.
Of all the players we have on the list he probably has the best attributes for either a wing or hb role.
Pace delivery a good motor will defend and breaks the lines. I have him pencilled in as our future sml defender instead of Short but no reason why he cannot be played on a wing.

Older option

Broad 32 yo. With the emergence of Brown to take over Broads role at hb we could easily just roll Broad up to a wing. Infinately better older option to McIntosh who is accountable a very good runner already provides rebound from the back half with the added bonus of Brown taking over his role long term role.
Want a defensive winger for the short term well here we have one.

Every player mentioned is a better option to McIntosh for several good reasons.

I will make the point again why does it have to be mutually inclusive to keep McIntosh at the club and on the list at the same time..

People are saying they want him there for his work ethic and he is such a good club man. So keep him at the club but do not put him on the list. Give him a job as playing assistant coach in the vfl or some such thing but being a good bloke and liked is not a good enough reason to keep him on the list.
He provides us with so little when he gets games.

If Macca plays seniors next year whilst we have fully fit players like Banks, Clarke, Smith, Green, Hugo or even Sonsie playing VFL I’ll be pretty disappointed.

I heard a lot about how Pickett and Macca were retained in the wings because of their defensive running etc… but then I saw Hugo finally get an opportunity on the wing for a decent run of games and he was superior to both of them in that role. He helped with defensive spoils and defensive running throughout 2024 way more than Macca or Pickett had done for 18-months.

All Hugo needed as a good size player with a good tank and some leg speed was AN OPPORTUNITY…. Hugo may not make it long-term, but at least he might be a valuable part of the future and he has gone past Macca. And majority of posters had written Hugo off.

So I don’t care if Kaleb Smith, Sam Banks, Clarke or even Sonsie’s form isn’t great at VFl level … they must be played ahead of Macca on a wing, because we just don’t know what they may produce if they are not given an extended opportunity.

So I’m happy for Macca to be a ‘break glass’ player on the list and to provide leadership and cultural benefits … but unless absolutely desperate he should not be played ahead of anyone who might be part of the future.


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[THE_GUN]

you don't have to refresh anything Jak...

If you think that Kmac is the basis/standard to build our entire future on, then we might as well scrap the rebuild before i

How the hell did you get that from the post you replied to ??

Go have a nap

 

[Hank Heavenly]

How the hell did you get that from the post you replied to ??

Go have a nap

I got that from the belief that everyone seems to have around Kmac setting standards...
That the kids will learn of him around standards etc...

1 - If you don't think all our senior players have high training standards, that would be a big worry
2 - If these new kids aren't driven enough to train their guts out already, we drafted the wrong kids
3 - If a bloke who had to wait until after the draft to see if he retained a spot is setting standards, we might as well pack up


Now if people just admitted, I think he's a ripper bloke, just happy for him to be around the club, I wouldn't argue with them, I might disagree, but that's just personal opinion. But people trying to say that Kmac is bringing anything to the club but pure depth player with a lot of experience, then they are on the wrong track.