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is ellis or short better?
Player Watch #33: Kamdyn McIntosh Re-Signed until 2025
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is ellis or short better?
Like Caddy, it looks like he's being sent back to the twos to learn a new role.
Interesting that Caddy is being taught to play as a defensive wing, and McIntosh is being taught to play as a defender.
All about flexibility I guess.
Interesting that Caddy is being taught to play as a defensive wing, and McIntosh is being taught to play as a defender.
All about flexibility I guess.
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Caddy ----> Ellis
Mcintosh ----> Short
tweaking the best 22 for finals football
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I'd pick him ahead of Ellis and Short. Until the Brisbane game, I would have had Kamdyn in front of Baker as HBF. (Lineball now).
But, the results are clear for everyone to see. The team is flying. Ellis, Short and Baker are contributing to that.
Looks to me like KMac is playing KPD, or at least lock-down defender, in the VFL. It's a very different job to his work on the wing or even HBF. Always on a dangerous tall forward. No spreading into space, let alone looking for a handball receive. And I reckon his going alright, but the stats probably don't show it. Not getting much footy, but maybe that's not what the coaches want him to do. He was bloody important in big moments against Port last week.
Maybe we're looking for extra cover for the likes of Grimes, Broad and Vlas?
But, the results are clear for everyone to see. The team is flying. Ellis, Short and Baker are contributing to that.
Looks to me like KMac is playing KPD, or at least lock-down defender, in the VFL. It's a very different job to his work on the wing or even HBF. Always on a dangerous tall forward. No spreading into space, let alone looking for a handball receive. And I reckon his going alright, but the stats probably don't show it. Not getting much footy, but maybe that's not what the coaches want him to do. He was bloody important in big moments against Port last week.
Maybe we're looking for extra cover for the likes of Grimes, Broad and Vlas?
I've been wondering who Kamdyn is getting trained to compete with. Caddy clearly was given the opportunity to compete with Kamdyn.
After watching the VFL prelim, it makes me wonder whether he's being prepped to compete with Broad - third tall lock-down defender, not great accumulator of the ball but makes an impact when he does.
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hasn't got big stats in the games and bits of games I've seen but is a cool as a cucumber when near the ball
he looks above level in the VFL
is he being retrained as a defender
is he having some part of his game fixed
or has he slipped back in the queue in our very strong list ???
shouldnt take to much to retrain him as a defender so to speak. Imo i reckon we have continually played him out of his best position thru out his career.
He was a very good developing defender when at peel, Peel gave him a few games on the wing in the seniors and did okay and we recruited him. Reckon we pidgeon holed him as a winger wrongly imo.
I have always thought he should have been developed as a tall defender who gives an ability to play one on one against tallish opponents and bigger bodied mediums while providing some run and carry.
I think Balta is being groomed as a kpd and most likely Rances long term replacement.
Next yr we get Rance back and i think Sydney Stack is our best bet as a small running defender who will play one v one.Sydney is a type that will have oppo small fwds looking over their shoulder. Unlike Ellis, Houli and Short.
Next yr i cannot see the following players not making up the backline especially with Houli going around again, although id be very tempted to play blokes like Stack in front of him.
Grimes - Astbury - Vlastuin
Houli - Rance - #####
Reckon the last spot should be Stacks with Broad in contention along with Balta hopefully getting games in preparation for Rances retirement.
We lose absolutely nothing by playing Grimes as a small on smalls in fact he is our best defender for these types. It would allow the very Mobile and agile talls in Rance or Balta to play third tall or Kpd
I wouldnt have a problem if our backline went like this next yr
Grimes - Astbury - Vlastuin
Stack - Balta - Rance.
All said im not sure there is a spot for McIntosh in the backline moving fwd and im hoping we are looking for more rounded running types on the wings than both McIntosh and Ellis. Without a doubt there is plenty of room for improvement to be had in these roles.
He was a very good developing defender when at peel, Peel gave him a few games on the wing in the seniors and did okay and we recruited him. Reckon we pidgeon holed him as a winger wrongly imo.
I have always thought he should have been developed as a tall defender who gives an ability to play one on one against tallish opponents and bigger bodied mediums while providing some run and carry.
I think Balta is being groomed as a kpd and most likely Rances long term replacement.
Next yr we get Rance back and i think Sydney Stack is our best bet as a small running defender who will play one v one.Sydney is a type that will have oppo small fwds looking over their shoulder. Unlike Ellis, Houli and Short.
Next yr i cannot see the following players not making up the backline especially with Houli going around again, although id be very tempted to play blokes like Stack in front of him.
Grimes - Astbury - Vlastuin
Houli - Rance - #####
Reckon the last spot should be Stacks with Broad in contention along with Balta hopefully getting games in preparation for Rances retirement.
We lose absolutely nothing by playing Grimes as a small on smalls in fact he is our best defender for these types. It would allow the very Mobile and agile talls in Rance or Balta to play third tall or Kpd
I wouldnt have a problem if our backline went like this next yr
Grimes - Astbury - Vlastuin
Stack - Balta - Rance.
All said im not sure there is a spot for McIntosh in the backline moving fwd and im hoping we are looking for more rounded running types on the wings than both McIntosh and Ellis. Without a doubt there is plenty of room for improvement to be had in these roles.
I think criticism of him being in the VFL has been a bit harsh. When he was dropped Hardwick publicly stated that this was a 'step back to take two steps forward' kind of situation. He hasn't slipped back in the queue, he's being invested in for the team's long-term benefit.
Just further developing the possible thinking behind the junk yard dog to the backline....De Goey is a player who has caused us some grief, including versus Grimes and Rance, possibly also v Broad. Could they be thinking of a lock down match up on a player like him that leaves the rest of the defence playing more familiar intercepting roles? Would a MacIntosh have the ability to go with someone like De Goey? I suppose grooming MacIntosh for a role like that gives you the ability to get him to follow De Goey into the midfield whereas with Grimes or Broad you are not doing that.
Not sure that is the thinking but it could be one possibility.
Not sure that is the thinking but it could be one possibility.
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If Grimes Rance and Broad cant stop or limit DeGoey then K Mac wont.
K Macs strength is as a defensive runner and space taker and outlet blocker when we are in defensive transition.
Agree with your point but I guess my thinking is each time you put one of the high quality defenders on De Goey you are also taking them out of the intercepting roles that could ultimately be the best way to limit a payer like De Goey. I suppose you might say well then Broad should be able to play on De Goey and allow Vlastuin, Grimes and Rance to play intercepting roles....but maybe MacIntosh is a bit stronger, faster or more awkward than Broad?
Or maybe the club reasons that with Grimes stepping so well into the main intercepting role this year in Rance's absence that they would like to keep him in that sort of role when Rance returns and they just need one more longer term lockdown hybrid tall/small back option as well as Broad and MacIntosh is that man. I am just trying to follow the reasoning, but it could be along those lines.
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Has been poor but still has Plenty of upside. He should be entering his peak years about now.
He can do everything ellis can do and plus not lose as many one on ones
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Well sadly no, performance history shows he can't or he would be getting a game. He is better defensively but Ellis is miles better offensively and actually runs to find the ball. He barely gets over 15 touches a game, while Ellis consistently gets more and at his best has 30+ possession games.
One is limited offensively, the other defensively.
Unfortunately there isn't a role for Kam right now.
juss Good post... players have roles... some /same same some /different same, all crucial to our team plan, we have 3,4 maybe 5 match winners, maybe just maybe they are allowed stray slightly away from the golden rules and use some initiative or me time because they are our elite guns or on the fly good decision makers.....
Macca lost me a little in the GC game where we flogged em but for a ten minute period in the 3rd Macca was shocking and GC got on a roll and in that time he fumbled, he fumbled, he fumbled and then a handball miss the targe, then a fumble and a kick OOTF.
Love the guy but from this....turnover city, the butterfly effect happened our blokes caught out of position, prestia springs to mind, threw ellis under a bus where he was in the right spot but had to run back and defend and ended up being late in the spoil, broad was put under the hammer etc etc, my apols as my memory might be sketchy as going on 8 games ago... Ellis copped a barrage but he was supplying outside run in his role but had to go back and defend and team suffered.
Here is my tip of the day if anyone hasn't done it B4, all you need is a recording of ANY game in HighDef and some spare time - watch good and bad highlights at half or one third speed in the knowledge of hindsight and soak in the whole screen not just the ball area.
Amazing how you pick up 2nd time around the blocks, the tap ons, the smothers etc etc etc and combine this with the fact we already know Sheds is creative, Astbury spoils but will take the grab if he's confident, Shai loves to run and weave B4 deciding what to do, Graham is a bull dozer, Lambo looks straight for the handball etc etc etc....maybe not everyones cup of tea but our game plan is so frantic it makes it a bit clearer...well for me anyway.
Macca lost me a little in the GC game where we flogged em but for a ten minute period in the 3rd Macca was shocking and GC got on a roll and in that time he fumbled, he fumbled, he fumbled and then a handball miss the targe, then a fumble and a kick OOTF.
Love the guy but from this....turnover city, the butterfly effect happened our blokes caught out of position, prestia springs to mind, threw ellis under a bus where he was in the right spot but had to run back and defend and ended up being late in the spoil, broad was put under the hammer etc etc, my apols as my memory might be sketchy as going on 8 games ago... Ellis copped a barrage but he was supplying outside run in his role but had to go back and defend and team suffered.
Here is my tip of the day if anyone hasn't done it B4, all you need is a recording of ANY game in HighDef and some spare time - watch good and bad highlights at half or one third speed in the knowledge of hindsight and soak in the whole screen not just the ball area.
Amazing how you pick up 2nd time around the blocks, the tap ons, the smothers etc etc etc and combine this with the fact we already know Sheds is creative, Astbury spoils but will take the grab if he's confident, Shai loves to run and weave B4 deciding what to do, Graham is a bull dozer, Lambo looks straight for the handball etc etc etc....maybe not everyones cup of tea but our game plan is so frantic it makes it a bit clearer...well for me anyway.
Kmac has played defence a bit...can't remember what year. (Just checked: 2017 he played down back a bit.) But I didn't mind him there. Now he is good depth for Broad. But when Stack is fit he'll be straight back in. 2020 selectors will want to look at Pickett. Others are pushing past him
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KMac started out doing defensive work, then transitioned to the wing.
His strength is running power, size and grunt. He can be a very dangerous playmaker. But his possession count just hasn't grown. Caddy isn't anywhere near him as a runner, but is a tough nut and very very dangerous. Kmac really needs to become a more rounded player to get back into the AFL. He's got all the tools, but doesn't make full use.
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If Kamdyn McIntosh is better you would think Hardwick would know best who is better by now given how much they have played, Obviously he does see Ellis & Short being better players.
De Goey/Cox and the pies fwd line going well was a result of silver service from pendlearse getting it 100 times. Dusty /Lambert running around sick etc etc. Our good defenders couldn't deal with it. Shut the delivery down and our defenders have a chance. (Using Nank/Soldo is very important to keeping Grundy in check) Kmac has been reduced to depth. Which is great. I mean should any of the defenders (bar Astury) not get up. Kmac could almost come in. I'd prefer him IN ahead of Balta or Garth in defence.
Assuming Pies and us win
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