Player Watch #38 Noah Cumberland - Delisted

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Yeh I don't fully agree with your first point, kicking only 42, 49, 42, 44 points consecutive weeks suggest we don't get the easy ones out the back.

He's about as competitive in the air as every other small/medium forward (Bolton the exception) we have at the moment. Even the GOAT about to play his 300th can't compete in the air...

How is it remotely comparable to put him up against Stewart? I don't like him as much as the next guy, but he's been one of the best defenders in the league over the last few years. A bloke in what his 25th game is going to need a bit of time to develop.

But I do agree, his discipline does need work, but he's shown he wants to give it a crack.
If he can continue kicking goals and looking dangerous while minimizing the lapses - I'd keep him in.
Good old scoreboard pressure. 3 goals instead of 1 goal 5 in the VFL.

The whole team was better in front of goal.

Combos a 184 half forward. can mark & kick long. why play him of a gun interceptor? got 50 million small forwards let them take the Gullivers

No Dusty. he played better too. Gunna be a selection challenge when Hopper pushes someone out of forward line too.
 

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He obviously has a few screws loose.
Its frustrating to watch because i think he can be a 40 goal player but he is just silly.
Hopefully he matures soon

Or you can look at it this way, without him we lose!! No screws loose there, just a mistake, how mature were you at 23? Plenty of others have done worse mate


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Not sure if anyone else noticed, but later in the last Q, Adelaide were building from half back and Cumberland was chasing. He saw what was happening and sprinted 50 odd metres up the ground to fill the hole where Adelaide could next run into. That was after repeated efforts. (I also notice Brown unable to do that, got a bit to go in regard to his tank.)

The old Cumberland who never have done that, never even thought about it, which was probably Dimma's reason for not playing him.
 
Or you can look at it this way, without him we lose!! No screws loose there, just a mistake, how mature were you at 23? Plenty of others have done worse mate


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True, but i wasnt a professional athlete.
I'm just saying that he could be a B+ to a A grader but his brain farts are whats holing him back which is why he is so freaking frustrating
 
Someone has to kick the cheap ones, especially when we haven’t been getting them all year.

If someone said before the game Cumbo will kick 3, you’d absolutely take it
Absolutely I would, but I don't let that fool me like lots of others have into thinking he's a half decent AFL player or prospect. He isn't.
Keep dreaming kiddo. You don’t want him to make it. That’s what it’s about. For some stupid reason. You a tiger supporter?
How childish. I want him to be Royce Hart the second but my wants don't really come into it.
What game were you watching?

Which goal did he get out the back?
First goal from a free he got out the back and was lucky that the Adelaide bloke made front on contact because he completely missed the fall of the ball.

It's also infuriating when there's a good deal of empty space to lead into as you'll see below where he should be coming up at the ball carrier:
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Good bit of work for his second but lets not pretend that we shouldn't have exploited the ruck matchup to greater advantage than we did last night.

My issue is that he runs out the back at every opportunity anticipating that we win the contest up field leaving his opponent to zone off and intercept which they do with impunity.

There were at least four to five times that happened last night and even have a look at the Campbell goal in the last he's running away from the ball carrier when every good forward in the league would be leading up to make an option.

It's indicative of a bloke that is out to get himself a few goals and not do the team thing.

His defensive effort has improved to some extent but he still needs to do more and let's face it his discipline is not good.

He's 183cm tall. He's only got those blokes playing on him because we've been going into games with 1.5 key forwards.

That's debatable. He's the sort of bloke opposition coaches will always try and match up their interceptors on for the very reason that he isn't tall or great in the air.

It seems lots of you disagree and that is your prerogative. A few others may be indulging in that warm glow of a rare win which I also get. I know what I see however and don't have particularly high hopes unless Noah decides to do something about it.
 
Absolutely I would, but I don't let that fool me like lots of others have into thinking he's a half decent AFL player or prospect. He isn't.

How childish. I want him to be Royce Hart the second but my wants don't really come into it.

First goal from a free he got out the back and was lucky that the Adelaide bloke made front on contact because he completely missed the fall of the ball.

It's also infuriating when there's a good deal of empty space to lead into as you'll see below where he should be coming up at the ball carrier:
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Good bit of work for his second but lets not pretend that we shouldn't have exploited the ruck matchup to greater advantage than we did last night.

My issue is that he runs out the back at every opportunity anticipating that we win the contest up field leaving his opponent to zone off and intercept which they do with impunity.

There were at least four to five times that happened last night and even have a look at the Campbell goal in the last he's running away from the ball carrier when every good forward in the league would be leading up to make an option.

It's indicative of a bloke that is out to get himself a few goals and not do the team thing.

His defensive effort has improved to some extent but he still needs to do more and let's face it his discipline is not good.



That's debatable. He's the sort of bloke opposition coaches will always try and match up their interceptors on for the very reason that he isn't tall or great in the air.

It seems lots of you disagree and that is your prerogative. A few others may be indulging in that warm glow of a rare win which I also get. I know what I see however and don't have particularly high hopes unless Noah decides to do something about it.
Goal 1 his opponent is 10m in front of him when Nank gets the ball. Nank saw it & kicks it to the Combo's advantage out the back, by which time his opponent closes but is forced to give a free away.
Bolton too far away...Combo was our deepest fwd when Nank kicked. That's his position forward. Thats a selection call.

The goal he crumbed from the ruck contest is what you want your small fwds doing.

Crumbing ruck contests~ That is not his forte. hope he does it again.
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Absolutely I would, but I don't let that fool me like lots of others have into thinking he's a half decent AFL player or prospect. He isn't.

How childish. I want him to be Royce Hart the second but my wants don't really come into it.

First goal from a free he got out the back and was lucky that the Adelaide bloke made front on contact because he completely missed the fall of the ball.

It's also infuriating when there's a good deal of empty space to lead into as you'll see below where he should be coming up at the ball carrier:
View attachment 2012632

Good bit of work for his second but lets not pretend that we shouldn't have exploited the ruck matchup to greater advantage than we did last night.

My issue is that he runs out the back at every opportunity anticipating that we win the contest up field leaving his opponent to zone off and intercept which they do with impunity.

There were at least four to five times that happened last night and even have a look at the Campbell goal in the last he's running away from the ball carrier when every good forward in the league would be leading up to make an option.

It's indicative of a bloke that is out to get himself a few goals and not do the team thing.

His defensive effort has improved to some extent but he still needs to do more and let's face it his discipline is not good.



That's debatable. He's the sort of bloke opposition coaches will always try and match up their interceptors on for the very reason that he isn't tall or great in the air.

It seems lots of you disagree and that is your prerogative. A few others may be indulging in that warm glow of a rare win which I also get. I know what I see however and don't have particularly high hopes unless Noah decides to do something about it.
You’re right, I can’t believe he’s on a list or alive to be that matter

Committed every crime under the sun

Should be hung publicly instantly
I’m sure you’ll be first there with the noose

Honestly you Cumbo haters are like Trump haters, have a serious deranged syndrome that can’t see past the fogged up outraged blinkers
 
Absolutely I would, but I don't let that fool me like lots of others have into thinking he's a half decent AFL player or prospect. He isn't.

How childish. I want him to be Royce Hart the second but my wants don't really come into it.

First goal from a free he got out the back and was lucky that the Adelaide bloke made front on contact because he completely missed the fall of the ball.

It's also infuriating when there's a good deal of empty space to lead into as you'll see below where he should be coming up at the ball carrier:
View attachment 2012632

Good bit of work for his second but lets not pretend that we shouldn't have exploited the ruck matchup to greater advantage than we did last night.

My issue is that he runs out the back at every opportunity anticipating that we win the contest up field leaving his opponent to zone off and intercept which they do with impunity.

There were at least four to five times that happened last night and even have a look at the Campbell goal in the last he's running away from the ball carrier when every good forward in the league would be leading up to make an option.

It's indicative of a bloke that is out to get himself a few goals and not do the team thing.

His defensive effort has improved to some extent but he still needs to do more and let's face it his discipline is not good.



That's debatable. He's the sort of bloke opposition coaches will always try and match up their interceptors on for the very reason that he isn't tall or great in the air.

It seems lots of you disagree and that is your prerogative. A few others may be indulging in that warm glow of a rare win which I also get. I know what I see however and don't have particularly high hopes unless Noah decides to do something about it.
Gee whiz, I'm glad you're not on the match committee.
No one on the list would get a game.
 

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Goal 1 his opponent is 10m in front of him when Nank gets the ball. Nank saw it & kicks it to the Combo's advantage out the back, by which time his opponent closes but is forced to give a free away.
Bolton too far away...Combo was our deepest fwd when Nank kicked. That's his position forward. Thats a selection call.

The goal he crumbed from the ruck contest is what you want your small fwds doing.

Crumbing ruck contests~ That is not his forte. hope he does it again.
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He led at the ball all night, he didn't get the kick so he doubles back. He is constantly on the move, which is why he gets balls out the back. He has natural forward craft in that respect.

In the picture you highlight, his man is very much in the basketballer defensive position, one eye on the kicker, one eye on his man. He would have closed down that space and Cumberland would have had to lead to the boundary. So he doubled back to the goals. He did this again later on and nearly took a one-handed chest mark.
 
He led at the ball all night, he didn't get the kick so he doubles back. He is constantly on the move, which is why he gets balls out the back. He has natural forward craft in that respect. In the picture you highlight, his man is very much in the basketballer defensive position, one eye on the kicker, one eye on his man. He would have closed down that space and Cumberland would have had to lead to the boundary. So he doubled back to the goals. He did this again later on and nearly took a one-handed chest mark. Having said that, the first free was very dubious, but the umps thought they'd suck us all in early, before they reverted to the norm.
This!

We have so many stagnant forwards every time, but Cumbo is as busy as a dog with 2 dicks.

Even at stoppage in F50, he is always on the fly.
 
He led at the ball all night, he didn't get the kick so he doubles back. He is constantly on the move, which is why he gets balls out the back. He has natural forward craft in that respect.

In the picture you highlight, his man is very much in the basketballer defensive position, one eye on the kicker, one eye on his man. He would have closed down that space and Cumberland would have had to lead to the boundary. So he doubled back to the goals. He did this again later on and nearly took a one-handed chest mark.

This.

If you’re at the game it’s a lot easier to see.
I watched him closely at the Gabba and this is exactly what he was doing.

There’s some valid criticism about Cumberland like most players, but his haters are so desperate for him to fail they’re inventing absolute nonsense about him.
 
Looks like he has addressed the haters concerns of defence, whilst now delivering bags of goals again.

So only the extreme margins of the hater cohort are left. Which if I understand the Simche arguement, is basically that goals don't matter and he thinks he is a dh.

When the start awarding wins and flags based on player personalities instead of the higher score on the day I'll start to be concerned.

Even then, who cares. It takes sorts in this world, not just 1 sort.

Let's embrace the man!
 
Absolutely I would, but I don't let that fool me like lots of others have into thinking he's a half decent AFL player or prospect. He isn't.

How childish. I want him to be Royce Hart the second but my wants don't really come into it.

First goal from a free he got out the back and was lucky that the Adelaide bloke made front on contact because he completely missed the fall of the ball.

It's also infuriating when there's a good deal of empty space to lead into as you'll see below where he should be coming up at the ball carrier:
View attachment 2012632

Good bit of work for his second but lets not pretend that we shouldn't have exploited the ruck matchup to greater advantage than we did last night.

My issue is that he runs out the back at every opportunity anticipating that we win the contest up field leaving his opponent to zone off and intercept which they do with impunity.

There were at least four to five times that happened last night and even have a look at the Campbell goal in the last he's running away from the ball carrier when every good forward in the league would be leading up to make an option.

It's indicative of a bloke that is out to get himself a few goals and not do the team thing.

His defensive effort has improved to some extent but he still needs to do more and let's face it his discipline is not good.



That's debatable. He's the sort of bloke opposition coaches will always try and match up their interceptors on for the very reason that he isn't tall or great in the air.

It seems lots of you disagree and that is your prerogative. A few others may be indulging in that warm glow of a rare win which I also get. I know what I see however and don't have particularly high hopes unless Noah decides to do something about it.
When you start being true to yourself and have some dignity based on the facts, you'll find that you are horribly wrong and probably accept that he is alot better than you think.
 
On the flipside, he got 5 possessions all game, so whilst he works hard, he needs to work smarter because he will have games where he scores 3 points instead of goals. He was good with his pressure to be fair.

I had to laugh when he gave away that free, it was so dumb but also so full of energy that it took about 5 of them to hold him down (and nobody was flying the flag for him either). White line fever, which you don't get much of these days. But he is a bit of a breath of fresh air in some respects.
 
He’s an interesting one. He obviously does some things that the coaches hate but it’s obvious that he is a powerful athlete with a lot to work with. I think he should get an extended run now because who knows how high his ceiling could be and he will learn so much more by making mistakes and fronting up again and again. He is highly entertaining to watch. Still could go either way for the lad.
 
We can criticise him all we want, and I don't doubt much is warranted, but the fact remains, he's one hell of an improvement on Castagna.

haha...don't go there!!!

I reckon the big improvement in Cumbo's game he is now starting to do the unrewarded running that George was famous for. He's better than George with his goal sense...but that weirdo run in is starting to channel a bit of George also.
I hope his trend continues, he could be a real weapon for us.

ps. I nearly chucked the remote at him last you. You know when.
 
He led at the ball all night, he didn't get the kick so he doubles back. He is constantly on the move, which is why he gets balls out the back. He has natural forward craft in that respect.

In the picture you highlight, his man is very much in the basketballer defensive position, one eye on the kicker, one eye on his man. He would have closed down that space and Cumberland would have had to lead to the boundary. So he doubled back to the goals. He did this again later on and nearly took a one-handed chest mark.
The criticism by Simche was:
First goal from a free he got out the back and was lucky that the Adelaide bloke made front on contact because he completely missed the fall of the ball.

Doesn't tell the story of the jostling both players did under Nank' s long, slow high ball....which goes some way to explaining the mark not being taken. and oppo giving away the rare free kick.
 
The criticism by Simche was:
First goal from a free he got out the back and was lucky that the Adelaide bloke made front on contact because he completely missed the fall of the ball.

Doesn't tell the story of the jostling both players did under Nank' s long, slow high ball....which goes some way to explaining the mark not being taken. and oppo giving away the rare free kick.
The free was very soft. Didn't misread it, he went forward to make body contact so the defender couldn't come at him, and put himself out of position in doing so. If he didn't do that he would have been easy pickings.
 

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