3rd Ashes Test England v Australia July 6-10 1930hrs @ Headingley

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I hope the people who have kicked Cummins repeatedly for things like his environmental stance and some of his game plan decision making - which they have a right to do it that’s their opinion - can appreciate how much he leads brilliantly in other ways.

He bowled a third of his team’s overs and put his hand up to keep running in at a time when Stokes was threatening to derail the match completely rather than just put it on an even keel. There are more ways to be a good captain than just pulling the right rein or having personal views that everyone agrees with.

He was magnificent overnight.
 
He isnt a spud. But he also isnt a genuine test average 50-55 player.
Had an incredible start and rode some luck early , now teams bowl better to him and his performance has flattened out to his ability more.
Most likely 40-45 average at test level.

I'd agree with that. He will make runs back in Australia but I think at the moment he is overated. He is only averaging 35 this year over the 9 tests. Comparatively Head is averaging 53 and Smith 46.
 
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The other potential match defining moments came shortly after when Stokes was dropped twice, once by Starc and then Murphy. Starcs was difficult. But Murphy's was a dolly that should have been snuffled.
 
pretty simple now

we need to be ending this innings with a lead of atleast 300, england will believe they can chase down anything, and if they get some momentum they have a bunch of blokes who can hit a quick 40 odd, if that happens we need to make sure the leads still in the upper 100s lower 200s

if we get rolled for 230 odd here reckon were in deep trouble
 
marnus takes his cold toastie out of the fridge and downs it with a cup of bathwater. but at least he hung in for a while and got to 30. his and smith's dismissal just massive gifts, like they couldn't be bothered knuckling down, that's other batsmen's job.
khawaja has definitely been our glue this series, at least england have had to get him out.

in a precarious position. innings could be all over inside of an hour tomorrow... but then we could still roll them sub-150. it looks like england will be chasing their total in the garbage weather this time.
for the love of god, please have learnt something from the way the pitch is playing and make the most of it when it comes time to bowl again. the pitch has some grip, so mix up the constantly short garbage that will get bowled.
 
He wasn't helped by bowling with a 55m boundary behind him either.
I watched the second test stokes innings again this morning. If they'd played this match on cricket grounds he'd have been out about 15 times. Only one of his sixes was actually off the middle of the bat, the rest were top edged and just over the rope. He's been dropped 6 times in his last two innings and survived an umpire's call. He well could have scored 220 for 7 outs. Which pretty much matches his career average. Cannot wait for him to tour a real country with real grounds. Maybe I'll cede Adelaide to him, but then I did say "real grounds"
 

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If Warner plays another Test in this series, it'll prove that there's a gold pass system in place in Australia, and Stuart Broad will think Christmas has come early.
The problem is, the replacements. Who would likely do better? Its unlikely they would do worse, but actually do better? And The Oval is arguably the one place Warner could score a few runs.
I would not have had him on the tour, or in the squad since the series in Pakistan tbh. I can't see a change happening now, and then he will be given his farewell tour as a media darling at home because somebody believes him simply being there is worth money. Then he'll bog off to the IPL and Seven's commentary box (or decide not to retire after all, and keep getting picked for two more years).
 
I watched the second test stokes innings again this morning. If they'd played this match on cricket grounds he'd have been out about 15 times. Only one of his sixes was actually off the middle of the bat, the rest were top edged and just over the rope. He's been dropped 6 times in his last two innings and survived an umpire's call. He well could have scored 220 for 7 outs. Which pretty much matches his career average. Cannot wait for him to tour a real country with real grounds. Maybe I'll cede Adelaide to him, but then I did say "real grounds"

They invented the game and most of their grounds have been around for a lot longer than all of ours: 3 of the 5 used in this series have existed since before any Australian grounds.

Not really sure why someone else gets to determine what a ‘real ground’ is.

I’m not sure how it would sound for an American to go to Scotland and bemoan how their golf courses aren’t real courses.
 
The problem is, the replacements. Who would likely do better? Its unlikely they would do worse, but actually do better? And The Oval is arguably the one place Warner could score a few runs.
I would not have had him on the tour, or in the squad since the series in Pakistan tbh. I can't see a change happening now, and then he will be given his farewell tour as a media darling at home because somebody believes him simply being there is worth money. Then he'll bog off to the IPL and Seven's commentary box (or decide not to retire after all, and keep getting picked for two more years).
If Will Pucovski was fully fit, Warner would have been gone years ago.
 
They invented the game and most of their grounds have been around for a lot longer than all of ours: 3 of the 5 used in this series have existed since before any Australian grounds.

Not really sure why someone else gets to determine what a ‘real ground’ is.

I’m not sure how it would sound for an American to go to Scotland and bemoan how their golf courses aren’t real courses.
Lords is older than most of white Australia.
 
I watched the second test stokes innings again this morning. If they'd played this match on cricket grounds he'd have been out about 15 times. Only one of his sixes was actually off the middle of the bat, the rest were top edged and just over the rope. He's been dropped 6 times in his last two innings and survived an umpire's call. He well could have scored 220 for 7 outs. Which pretty much matches his career average. Cannot wait for him to tour a real country with real grounds. Maybe I'll cede Adelaide to him, but then I did say "real grounds"
The grounds have been around forever. They are real grounds.

Bat technology is still a problem. Keep current rules for T20 where mishits over the fence are the point of the game. But for the other forms, it has changed the risk-reward balance. Arguably more risks are being taken for the reward of faster runs, so the averages haven't changed much.
 

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