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What stadium do you think West Coast and Fremantle play out of? What about Port and Adelaide?
You also know there are 3 stadiums already, right?
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You also know there are 3 stadiums already, right?
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You do know there are 5m people in Sydney, right?
They just want to cover a large geographical area. Sort of like what West Coast did. If West Coast called themselves Perth then a whole heap of WA country folk would have kept their VFL team. It's a simple business decision.
Team 3: South Sydney
Team 4: North Sydney
Sorry, but you're clueless and don't have the ability to think rationally.
1. Perth is big enough, but no one will jump ship from Eagles/Dockers/Vic team to follow a new generic team. If they geographically locate one in Mandurah, Bunbury etc, there's not enough people.
2. Tassie, Darwin too small
3. Brisbane - same boat as Sydney but less people. Sydney is the obvious choice
4. The log term upside of going into Sydney (again) is much bigger than going into an existing AFL heartland.
Demetriou has made his legacy and I can tell you now hat no matter who the next CEO is, the focus will be on Sydney.
Nth QLD???
The West is where they will go. They are going to the current suburbs purely to put a bit of boost on numbers. But the target is clearly Western Sydney ... easily footballs toughest market in Australia.
The third team will represent South of the Harbour Bridge ... Ie all the surfers, uni students, hipsters, chinese, etc. The Swans will be a Northern Suburbs club. The Giants the Pies of Sydney.
I couldnt sit down for that long
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I don't understand the need for geographical segregation long term in Sydney, in fact it may hamper growth.
Don't Pies fans begrudingly live next door to Carlton fans and visa versa? Where does Hawthorn, Collingwood, St Kilda etc call home? Certainly not in the suburbs of their birth.
I've never agreed with the GWS name for the simple reason that whilst it is a club for the west of Sydney it implies that it is not a club for fans outside the district. Maybe this was a planned marketing ploy of the AFL so as not to cannibalise the Swans' supporter base.
Don't Pies fans begrudingly live next door to Carlton fans and visa versa? Where does Hawthorn, Collingwood, St Kilda etc call home? Certainly not in the suburbs of their birth.
I've never agreed with the GWS name for the simple reason that whilst it is a club for the west of Sydney it implies that it is not a club for fans outside the district. Maybe this was a planned marketing ploy of the AFL so as not to cannibalise the Swans' supporter base.
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Edited for accuracy. I can't believe people in this thread are talking up the possibility of a third AFL club in Sydney.
Most of the Victorian clubs have (or are) moving away from their traditional suburbs.
Why not? If you can dream it you can build it!
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Where will the supporters come from?
You do realise the swans already have south sydney "the bridge" cuts into The centre of the city and then south that's all swans territory and has been from the get go
All the gay areas like the cross and marrickville grew up on swans, ex pat vic's that didn't have a lot of money when they came to the city like most of my family and friends went to east lakes and kingford. Randwick is heavy swans.
Hell even maroubra is swans.
All these places are and have been swans focus since the team moved meet and greets at schools, promos not to mention walking distance to a home ground that had free entry for the kids. It wasn't until sydney got respect that north sydney gave two shits about the swans (or maybe it was the death of the bears) for the most part north sydneysiders stick there nose up at crossing the bridge.
Maybe you meant the shire the other side of kingsway I don't know but your dreaming of you think South Sydney isn't swans.
And as I said now that the swans have north sydney theres no room for a third team, you could make a case for the shire but it's not big enough. (nor is it Sydney)
Perhaps a team outside Sydney the gong or Newcastle being the next biggest but unless demographics change then there's simply no room a third team.
And yes western Sydney is basically a feral infested shithole if they go that route thats what they will become.
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And this makes sense gven the urban sprawl that is both Melbourne and Sydney, it's almost like the old days of zoning with innner suburban clubs claiming growing Melbourne suburbs as their own. In the old VFL, by today's standards, you could have thrown a blanket across most of the team's home grounds (you still could now with most sharing Etihad and the MCG).
I still believe that a third team in Sydney (greater Sydney area) whether they claim to be from Newcastle, the Sutherland Shire/Illawarra or George Street will come about when the ability of the Swans and GWS can no longer service the growth in demand for AFL in the region. But this is years away.
When a third team comes in, yes most of the population will be represented. But there will most likely be some cross over. Just as a Tasmanian team will take time to convert people over from their old clubs, so would a third Sydney team.
I like this metric. The Giants came in because of the need to have another team helping out the Swans basically. What should the crowds be like though??? Giants selling out every home game, and the Swans filling up general admission???
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I'm sure the AFL has measurements in place for this and not necessarily just crowd figures. Well established rugby league teams don't even record the crowd numbesr today that would be required to fill Sydney AFL games on a regular basis.
I reckon a third team will be introduced when and if the Sydney TV viewing audience plateaus and an untapped addressable market is identified. If the AFL thinks a 3rd team will provide a kick to TV viewing in that area then you will see a new team pretty quickly....again this is years away.
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Although it is written in his customary (and excruciating) jocular style, I do believe Fitzsimons is being serious here. This is one of a couple of pieces he's written recently praising the way the AFL is tackling the NSW market at the grassroots level and he's declaring it's clearly paying dividends.
For those who write him off as a Rugby tragic, well, he is a former Wallaby, but there's more to it than that, and my perception of Fitzsimons is that he is quite respectful of Australian Rules in general, and the Swans in particular. His scorn, as best as I can recall, is reserved for Rugby League and Soccer.
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Where's the fans for a new WA team going to come from?
People unable to access current matches as much as they would like, and new arrivals.
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Someone tell him he's dreaming.
Where do you think supporters for a new WA club would come from??
Im 50/50 about a new WA club btw. Depending on when, Tassie would be awesome, and so would Nth qLD.
Most NSW residents dont follow Aussie Rules at any level, its not like WA where 95% of those who follow our game alreadsy follow a side & most of their next gen will follow the same side.
Lets get GWS to the position of Brisbane, 3 premierships, before a 3rd team fantasy gets any traction.
TBH i would love for the third team discussion to get wind to people like Phil Gould, Phil Rothfield, and the ARL CEO ... seeing their faces would be priceless.
We've poached a player ... can we poach a whole club next??
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His introduction is deffinitely having a go at rl for their stupid reaction to Birchgrove Oval.
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Nowhere. That's why your idea is not well thought out (was probably easier to just write stupid but I'm in a charitable mood right now)
1. There is no area outside Perth with enough population concentration to support a club. Mandurah would be the biggest but put one there and the only people who will support it are people from the Mandurah area. Not enough.
2. Everyone in Perth is taken. It's either Eagles, Dockers, or a Vic team. Very few people will jump ship. Will never get a strong supporter base and if you don't have a strong supporter base the AFL should not consider it.
Population wise Perth is big enough but because it's a mature AFL zone, it's too late. There's no point going into a population where the people already support a team. Sydney on the other hand, is virgin territory. 5m people and I reckon less than 15% have more than a passing interest. It's all about maintaining investment and development in Sydney. Swans don't need focused investment and development - they aren't big enough yet but will get organic growth on the back of AFL's increasing profile in Sydney. And there's still enough room for another two teams.
If you look at it with a business head, the AFL have no real upside going into Tasmania but massive upside going into Sydney (two more times)
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Why wait 30 years? In 30 years GWS might have their 30k members and Swans might have 50k. It's all about timing and a lot of things need to be done in unision. Having a 3rd team whilst GWS are still building, along side grassroots investment all improve each other as long as the timing is right.
I have never said in this thread that I think a third team should go to WA.
I think it should not discarded, but other places should be given teams first.
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But you did say you thought they AFL would go West:
Which is why I asked the question.wikipediaAFLproject said:
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