Retired #43: Anthony "Walla" McDonald-Tipungwuti - Wins a flag with the Mildura Imperials

[Lore]

Contract Status: Unrestricted Free Agent 2023
My Boy Draft 2023: Pick 5, citizen-erased

 

[Bjchan13]

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All class on and off the field as always. Reading between the lines the VIC lockdowns/Covid restrictions, flights, hotels, isolation from family etc the combo of it all seems to be a big part of Wallas battles in the last part of the season. I hope we can get around him as a club and bring him back better than ever next year. Going off what was said about Dan Jordans departure, about whether we even replace him or look to beef up our player welfare/off field department, its a smart move when the mental health of players is constantly under extreme pressure during these times.

 

[Lore]

okay - I accept all this, but can we at least consider more drastic measures for those dickheads that will not learn or do not want to learn?

Suspending Walker for 6 weeks and potentially ending his career (he's ooc) probably falls under that banner. With the guy posting shit about Walla, the club booted him off the facebook page and would have revoked his membership if he'd had one.

That's about as much as the AFL and the clubs can do, they don't have the power to fine or imprison people for posting on social media.

Beyond that, there's an entire regulatory rabbit hole you could go down there, e.g.:

Issues for Australia include:

• How serious a problem is cyber-racism in Australia?
• How can the author or the publisher of racist material be identified?
• What if the author and host are based overseas?
• What Internet communications are 'private' and not covered by the Racial Discrimination Act?
• Should racist Internet material be treated like Internet pornography by Australian law?

Cyber-Racism: racial hatred on the internet (2002)

"On the other hand the Internet can be considered as a very important facility to combat racial and other forms of discrimination as well as a source of information and means to co-ordinate international action." [2]

humanrights.gov.au

It is problematic that the classificatory regime in Australia does not prohibit Internet material that is unlawful or potentially unlawful.

Internet Regulation in Australia

This paper will outline the regulatory provisions and non-regulatory strategies potentially available in Australia to manage the problem of racism on the Internet.

humanrights.gov.au

... I really don't know how you tackle that problem. It seems to need new legislation to even define the problem of racism on the Internet, but I don't know exactly how such legislation would be enforced even if it existed.

Like do you lump that responsibility onto ISPs? Should they threaten to block websites that host that kind of material? Like just switch off Facebook altogether if they don't moderate the content or cooperate with law enforcement to provide the person's details?

You'd probably struggle to prosecute even if you had the person's details tbh. Might get a fine if you're lucky. Banning them from having social media accounts would probably be more appropriate (for a period of time, a few months or whatever) but how the hell do you enforce that?

The next part of the problem is that parliament has zero appetite for this stuff atm, and mainstream media beyond the AFL website doesn't seem to care all that much either unless it's Eddie Betts crying on TV (then it gets a spot on the front page for a day).

 

[yodellinhank]

And don't think calling it out is easy. You've got to be primed for it before hand. I live with the regret of not calling it out several years ago when the captain of my cricket team did it. I thought i had more balls than that but i got shown up.

I thought i heard someone use a homophobic slur just last week. It was literally shocking because its the kind of thing we no longer expect to hear. It came from someone who parades themself as an ally, and my brain just went to "Did they? Surely not?" The momentum and solid ground to go both barrels was lost. I still thinking now "what else could it possibly be that they said, if it wasn't that"

 

[ant555]

okay - I accept all this, but can we at least consider more drastic measures for those dickheads that will not learn or do not want to learn?

We can and most likely should for the social media stuff etc

 

[Nifft]

Suspending Walker for 6 weeks and potentially ending his career (he's ooc) probably falls under that banner. With the guy posting sh*t about Walla, the club booted him off the facebook page and would have revoked his membership if he'd had one.

That's about as much as the AFL and the clubs can do, they don't have the power to fine or imprison people for posting on social media.

Beyond that, there's an entire regulatory rabbit hole you could go down there, e.g.:

Cyber-Racism: racial hatred on the internet (2002)

"On the other hand the Internet can be considered as a very important facility to combat racial and other forms of discrimination as well as a source of information and means to co-ordinate international action." [2]

humanrights.gov.au

Internet Regulation in Australia

This paper will outline the regulatory provisions and non-regulatory strategies potentially available in Australia to manage the problem of racism on the Internet.

humanrights.gov.au

... I really don't know how you tackle that problem. It seems to need new legislation to even define the problem of racism on the Internet, but I don't know exactly how such legislation would be enforced even if it existed.

Like do you lump that responsibility onto ISPs? Should they threaten to block websites that host that kind of material? Like just switch off Facebook altogether if they don't moderate the content or cooperate with law enforcement to provide the person's details?

You'd probably struggle to prosecute even if you had the person's details tbh. Might get a fine if you're lucky. Banning them from having social media accounts would probably be more appropriate (for a period of time, a few months or whatever) but how the hell do you enforce that?

The next part of the problem is that parliament has zero appetite for this stuff atm, and mainstream media beyond the AFL website doesn't seem to care all that much either unless it's Eddie Betts crying on TV (then it gets a spot on the front page for a day).

I could be wrong, but I think if you make a complaint to the offender's ISP they can remove access to their service. Also they could raise a complaint with Facebook, who should ban their account(s).

 

[Vander18]

I'd lock him (the racist that is) in a room with Draper and Stringer and they can 'explain' to him the error of his ways.

Nat Rat wants in.

 

[Vander18]

education doesn’t work. look at Tex Walker.

Imagine Tex back in Broken Hill without the benefits of education…..

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Just way too many shit humans out there. Social media seems to be bringing them out and the are breeding and replicating in droves.

Racists, Covidiots, morons.. Just like death and taxes.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Just way too many sh*t humans out there. Social media seems to be bringing them out and the are breeding and replicating in droves.

Racists, Covidiots, morons.. Just like death and taxes.

They were always out there. Social media just got them together and convinced them they were right because there were so many of them.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Nat Rat wants in.

He's welcome. Also happens to be one of my favourite Bomber players this century.

 

[Blind Turn]

Living outside of Australia for two years looking in, made me realise just how ignorant, racist, distant, isolated and ferral the country really is… and how simple we are viewed by others. For all our good natured quirks and progressive elements that do exist, we are still driven by a bigotry and protectionism based on not wanting to let anyone in on the good life we possess (‘we’ being the white male heterosexuals).

 

[Lore]

Living outside of Australia for two years looking in, made realise just how ignorant, racist, distant, isolated and ferral the country really is… and how simple we are viewed by others. For all our good natured quirks and progressive elements that do exist, we are still driven by a bigotry and protectionism based on not wanting to let anyone in on the good life we possess (‘we’ being the white male heterosexuals).

There is certainly something about travelling that brings perspective. A lot of the time Australian culture seems difficult to pin down, and there are some who argue we simply don't have one. Once you travel though and realise how different other places are (even the ones that are regarded as "similar", like the UK or the US), you start to realise that we do have our own culture with different values, attitudes & norms after all.

 

[carloss]

Living outside of Australia for two years looking in, made realise just how ignorant, racist, distant, isolated and ferral the country really is… and how simple we are viewed by others. For all our good natured quirks and progressive elements that do exist, we are still driven by a bigotry and protectionism based on not wanting to let anyone in on the good life we possess (‘we’ being the white male heterosexuals).

Examples of this?

 

[Vander18]

Living outside of Australia for two years looking in, made realise just how ignorant, racist, distant, isolated and ferral the country really is… and how simple we are viewed by others. For all our good natured quirks and progressive elements that do exist, we are still driven by a bigotry and protectionism based on not wanting to let anyone in on the good life we possess (‘we’ being the white male heterosexuals).

The defining Australian trait is quickly becoming our penchant for this sort of self-flagellation.

It’s a great place to live - that’s why huge numbers of immigrants have been flocking here for decades. Many have been able to turn the fortunes of their families within a generation. Including my own.

We are far from perfect of course but many see the rest of the world through rose coloured glasses I think.

 

[ant555]

I think one example of how we have changed to a degree and why we still need to go further is Kevin "Bloody" Wilson . 20 years ago he was seen as funny and people thought nothing about a few of his songs that had some racist remarks as they where accepted as larrikin behavior. I think a much greater percentage to would accept that it is not acceptable.

I know a lot of New Zealanders look at our relationship with Indigenous matters with bemusement given their relationship with the Maori.

 

[Vander18]

I think one example of how we have changed to a degree and why we still need to go further is Kevin "Bloody" Wilson . 20 years ago he was seen as funny and people thought nothing about a few of his songs that had some racist remarks as they where accepted as larrikin behavior. I think a much greater percentage to would accept that it is not acceptable.

I know a lot of New Zealanders look at our relationship with Indigenous matters with bemusement given their relationship with the Maori.

That’s progress right??

Look at Tex Walker - dobbed in by someone from his own club and the club totally supported that action.

As a society we are light years in front of where we were not that long ago. The journey isn’t complete but we are absolutely moving in the right direction - things are getting better, not worse.

 

[Lore]

I know a lot of New Zealanders look at our relationship with Indigenous matters with bemusement given their relationship with the Maori.

The Kiwis are lucky in that the present generation have inherited a respectful relationship that was established by those who came before them 150-200 years ago. We're still fighting to get to that point thanks to our own forebears.

 

[blitzer]

Unfortunately there is no world in which all the racist and hateful posts will stop because its a numbers game in the end.
Australia's population is ~25.8m - if even 1 in 1000 (and i'm being generous here) are people that have significant problems (mental, social, psychological etc) and can't be stopped from posting terrible things online that's nearly 26,000 people.

You educate to progress the other 999 in the 1000. But there is always going to be people that don't fit.

I do think its a bit sensationlist for everyone to explode everytime there's a hateful post. Its not right but - people will be exploding til the end of time or until technology stops providing the layer of annonymity which carries its own problems.

 

[12Chill]

Hey all,

I'll be putting up some highlight reels for Essendon players over the next few weeks as I've done for the last few years so will post them in the relevant player threads for you guys to enjoy. Thought it'd be good to start with Tippa to really appreciate how good he was this year.



Enjoy!

 

[Blind Turn]

The defining Australian trait is quickly becoming our penchant for this sort of self-flagellation.

It’s a great place to live - that’s why huge numbers of immigrants have been flocking here for decades. Many have been able to turn the fortunes of their families within a generation. Including my own.

We are far from perfect of course but many see the rest of the world through rose coloured glasses I think.

I’m not self-flagellating. I felt like I left village Australia and joined the global village a while back.

All the good things you see in this country, I see them too. I used the word ‘progressive’ deliberately because Australia’s best values are progressive values. It’s the entrenched values that continue to make life difficult for minorities and the disadvantaged. Trying to hold on to past values as being the way forward in a vastly different cultural landscape is a major reason why people continue to denigrate difference. Difference is a threat to the way it used to be (so let’s be conservative and not trust progression…)

 

[Vander18]

I’m not self-flagellating. I felt like I left village Australia and joined the global village a while back.

All the good things you see in this country, I see them too. I used the word ‘progressive’ deliberately because Australia’s best values are progressive values. It’s the entrenched values that continue to make life difficult for minorities and the disadvantaged. Trying to hold on to past values as being the way forward in a vastly different cultural landscape is a major reason why people continue to denigrate difference. Difference is a threat to the way it used to be (so let’s be conservative and not trust progression…)

We disagree. I would argue Australians accept and embrace cultural difference more than most - this is embodied by our specific policy of multiculturalism as opposed to assimilation.

I have travelled widely, lived in SE Asia as both a child and as an adult and have a wildly diverse ethnic background - I’m not provincial. There is a reason immigrants desperately want to come to Australia, Canada, NZ etc and those reasons are connected to some, not all, of the values on which these countries were first built. They are fundamentally good societies.

 

[Blind Turn]

We disagree. I would argue Australians accept and embrace cultural difference more than most - this is embodied by our specific policy of multiculturalism as opposed to assimilation.

I have travelled widely, lived in SE Asia as both a child and as an adult and have a wildly diverse ethnic background - I’m not provincial. There is a reason immigrants desperately want to come to Australia, Canada, NZ etc and those reasons are connected to some, not all, of the values on which these countries were first built. They are fundamentally good societies.

You say we tend to self-flagellate and yet I’d argue that you’re glossing over the issues Australia has as a society. Yes, we have been very fortunate as a nation. It is a desirable place to be, sure. But we need to acknowledge the broad, ugly national bigotry that allows One Nation to come to prominence, and then the prevailing conservative governments to adopt many of those far right policies that consolidate those narrow perspectives. The multicultural progression seen in Melbourne (for example) is in no way reflective of the greater national monoculture. I think there is a general resentment that minority groups are usurping the ‘Australian way of life’. As an extreme example, do you think that the average Aussie would be comfortable identifying as an Asian country? The minorities are welcome here so long as they don’t get too big for their shoes. When the periphery tends to the centre then those who occupy the centre fear being pushed to the periphery.

 

[Vander18]

You say we tend to self-flagellate and yet I’d argue that you glossing over the issues Australia has as a society. Yes, we have been very fortunate as a nation. It is a desirable place to be, sure. But we need to acknowledge the broad, ugly national bigotry that allows One Nation to come to prominence, and then the prevailing conservative governments to adopt many of those far right policies that consolidate those narrow perspectives. The multicultural progression seen in Melbourne (for example) is in no way reflective of the greater national monoculture. I think there is a general resentment that minority groups are usurping the ‘Australian way of life’. As an extreme example, do you think that the average Aussie would be comfortable identifying as an Asian country? The minorities are welcome here so long as they don’t get too big for their shoes. When the periphery tends to the centre then those who occupy the centre fear being pushed to the periphery.

I suspect we see the world very differently mate. Tippas thread probably not the place for it….meet you in the politics thread one day

 

[Blind Turn]

I suspect we see the world very differently mate. Tippas thread probably not the place for it….meet you in the politics thread one day

All good mate. Tippa’s situation was leading us down this path though to be fair. You won’t find me in the politics thread. I speak my mind when the conversation leads that way but I find it tiresome to debate stuff online as a rule. People are generally set in their views until a life experience sways them. Rarely does another person’s argument sway an opinion I reckon.

 

[ghostdog]

Carrying an "unspecified injury" says Scott Lucas

Scott Lucas

Age

47

Ht

192cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.5

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

3.1

3star

M

6.0

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

1.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

17.2

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.8

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.6

3star

G

4.4

5star

. Doesn't really clear much up. Hopefully he's good to go for the summer.