Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 10: Everything's 'Peachy...

[Magruder]

Looks more to me that embedded agents need time to get out of compromised positions before the politicians blow their cover by talking about something a select few would have known, getting them killed.

That’s possible but refusing to brief senators even in a SCIF?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

After WMD, assume everything the US military establishment says is a lie. Wait for evidence. If providing evidence is 'classified', assume it's a lie.

'Blowing up the US embassy'. Yeah, **** right off.

 

[Satan]

Trump made the Iranians shoot down their own plane?

Thought it was Ukrainian plane

 

[Magruder]

The first one is a comment on the left leaning people blaming the right leaning president for the death of 176 people after a drone strike.

The second is a comment on the left leaning president being given a nobel peace prize while drone striking more than ever in the middle east, to rapturous applause.

This is intended to show the two sides of the same coin. Obama has so many people killed, wins a peace prize. Trump not at all to blame for nearly 200 people killed and it's his fault because he is bad.

Both ways to those left leaning champions the lives don't matter, only their side matters.

It's literally at the point where the USA can't go after Iran now for murdering nearly two hundred people because the narrative will be played at home on twitter, in congress, on CNN and MSNBC that it was Trumps fault they did it to begin with.

They don't care about the lives, they just want their side to win.

I don't think it's a unique situation either.

Trump is not directly responsible And no one is suggesting otherwise

describing Obama as left is as deceptive as suggesting that Trumpism is a coherent world view

no one is defending Obama era drone strikes as moral but
they were at least legal

there is a strong chance that the Soleimani strike is an illegal actionin breach of the WPA and elements of The Hague conventions

Your contributions are considered and intelligent though and they don’t lapse into trolling and propagating misinformation.

Without wanting to sound patronising, there are plenty that could learn from them.

 

[Financialpanther]

Thought it was Ukrainian plane

They could say the evidence of Hunter Biden's activities went down on that plane.

 

[Taylor]

After WMD, assume everything the US military establishment says is a lie. Wait for evidence. If providing evidence is 'classified', assume it's a lie.

'Blowing up the US embassy'. Yeah, fu** right off.

That embassy had been under attack just before, why is it so far fetched? It might have been still on fire from that attack when the retaliation strike went down.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The first one is a comment on the left leaning people blaming the right leaning president for the death of 176 people after a drone strike.

The second is a comment on the left leaning president being given a nobel peace prize while drone striking more than ever in the middle east, to rapturous applause.

This is intended to show the two sides of the same coin. Obama has so many people killed, wins a peace prize. Trump not at all to blame for nearly 200 people killed and it's his fault because he is bad.

Both ways to those left leaning champions the lives don't matter, only their side matters.

It's literally at the point where the USA can't go after Iran now for murdering nearly two hundred people because the narrative will be played at home on twitter, in congress, on CNN and MSNBC that it was Trumps fault they did it to begin with.

They don't care about the lives, they just want their side to win.

I don't think it's a unique situation either.

All this was started by lamenting politicisation, which you've just done, because this is the politics board.

And nobody has blamed Trump.

 

[madmug]

I can understand why the left despise him for bringing peace to the Korean peninsula. How very anti-Obama of him!

For all his faults, Trump will be remembered as the greatest president of all time in terms of foreign policy.

The Korean war ended in 1953. They've never signed a peace deal, never.

So what exactly did he bring? Apart from some photo ops for the the little dictator?

 

[Magruder]

That embassy had been under attack just before, why is it so far fetched? It might have been still on fire from that attack when the retaliation strike went down.

so why not brief Senators?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Looks more to me that embedded agents need time to get out of compromised positions before the politicians blow their cover by talking about something a select few would have known, getting them killed.

That doesn't explain why it took them a week to brief members of Congress, or this reaction from a Republican who was there.




But sure, let's go with your guesswork about embedded agents.

 

[Magruder]

That doesn't explain why it took them a week to brief members of Congress, or this reaction from a Republican who was there.




But sure, let's go with your guesswork about embedded agents.

Mike Lee and Rand Paul (on the left of screen) are hardly Never Trumpers.
if they are displeased by the briefing, odds are it was pretty unconvincing

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

That embassy had been under attack just before, why is it so far fetched? It might have been still on fire from that attack when the retaliation strike went down.

Trump floated this half arse-edly. The WH has not provided anything to substantiate it. He might have made it up at the end of the journo's question.

They will have enough ease providing bullshit without us plebs filling in blanks for them.

 

[Taylor]

so why not brief Senators?

The immediate reason that comes to mind would be a small window of opportunity where a target, valid or not, is within striking distance without risking either bringing down an airplane, mass civilian casualties or attacking the target within their own nation.

 

[Magruder]

Trump now claims Soleimani was planning to blow up a US embassy? This is a case of Trump being willing say to whatever he thinks he needs to say in the moment, with a view to walking it back later or just moving on without ever standing it up. Not sure it's wise if he is lying about threat intelligence.

I think they know they've lost this messaging war.

His credibility gap is too big. People don’t trust him to do anything that is not in his immediate interests.

creating an international incident without ironclad reasoning is possible the worst Domestic tactic he could have adopted

 

[Taylor]

Trump floated this half arse-edly. The WH has not provided anything to substantiate it. He might have made it up at the end of the journo's question.

They will have enough ease providing bullshit without us plebs filling in blanks for them.

Hopefully he sent emails on an unsecured private server and we can discuss that for five years.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

The immediate reason that comes to mind would be a small window of opportunity where a target, valid or not, is within striking distance without risking either bringing down an airplane, mass civilian casualties or attacking the target within their own nation.

Keep guessing.

 

[Mick F]

All this was started by lamenting politicisation, which you've just done, because this is the politics board.

And nobody has blamed Trump.

All you need is one nut case on Twitter to make a comment and then it becomes ‘the right/left are guilty of ...’.

A whole argument starts over nothing. Then Bush or Obama get dragged in to rehash old talking points.

Part of growing up, and becoming wise, includes realising that one is not the font of all knowledge and not everything is black and white.

 

[Magruder]

The immediate reason that comes to mind would be a small window of opportunity where a target, valid or not, is within striking distance without risking either bringing down an airplane, mass civilian casualties or attacking the target within their own nation.

And not satisfactorily Afterwards? In a secure information zone.
Besides the illegality if making war without congressional approval.
Note, neither Lee nor Paul revealed details, just stated the briefing was unsatisfactory

 

[Satan]

They could say the evidence of Hunter Biden's activities went down on that plane.

With the server

 

[Magruder]

Hopefully he sent emails on an unsecured private server and we can discuss that for five years.

like Nikki Haley ?

 

[Magruder]

With the server

that the Californian Domiciled Nasdaq listed crowdstrike had in Ukraine.

nuts ain’t it?

 

[Poor Form]

I think a lot of people are missing that this seems to have worked perfectly. Killing a very high level Iranian sent a super strong message to Iranian officials to stop dicking around, the Iranians beat their chest a little and shot rockets into the sand thus de-escalating the situation. Meanwhile the regime knows that he's not messing around and they should pull their heads in.

I think he lost ground on his 52 sites threat though as mentioning cultural sites just allows the Islamist to grab the nationalists and say "look he wants to wreck Persia too".

 

[Mick F]

The immediate reason that comes to mind would be a small window of opportunity where a target, valid or not, is within striking distance without risking either bringing down an airplane, mass civilian casualties or attacking the target within their own nation.

The Gang of Eight - the eight leaders within the United States Congress who are briefed on classified intelligence matters by the executive branch. Specifically, includes the leaders of each of the two parties from both the Senate and House of Representatives, and the chairs and ranking minority members of both the Senate Committee and House Committee for intelligence as set forth by 50 U.S.C. § 3093(c)(2).

Under normal conditions, the President of the United States is required by Title 50 U.S.C. § 3091(a)(1) to "ensure that the congressional intelligence committees are kept fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States, including any significant anticipated intelligence activity as required by [the] title."

(as per Wikipedia)

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I think a lot of people are missing that this seems to have worked perfectly. Killing a very high level Iranian sent a super strong message to Iranian officials to stop dicking around, the Iranians beat their chest a little and shot rockets into the sand thus de-escalating the situation. Meanwhile the regime knows that he's not messing around and they should pull their heads in.

I think he lost ground on his 52 sites threat though as mentioning cultural sites just allows the Islamist to grab the nationalists and say "look he wants to wreck Persia too".

You should change your name to Poorly inFormed.

Your homespun, folksy BS is no substitute for an actual grasp of what's going on.

There's no strategy. Trump just reacts impulsively, doing whatever he thinks serves his narrow, immediate interests, while being torn between his isolationist instincts and his competing desire to sabre rattle and act tough.

That's why you get an incoherent policy and incoherent explanations.

 

[FireKrakouer]

#FireFacts

In Jan 2020, President Trump ingested mega doses of amphetamine and engaged in actions leading to the shooting down of a commercial airliner in Tehran. The following day, Australian billionaire Twiggy Forrest ensured the destruction of the planet by disgracefully donating $70M to bushfire relief.

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