Play Nice 46th President of the United States: Joe Biden 2: Incidit in scyllam cupiens vitare charybdim

[HirdsTheWord]

You don't want answers to why Joe less than a week before pulling out of the race Joe said he wasn't and was fit to lead? Was he pushed? If so, who was behind it? He says he's all for democracy but he just did one of the most undemocratic things you can do and denied the voters a say?

who cares?

Americans will vote for who they want.

If they want Trump it will be Trump.

If they want Harris it will be Harris.

Not sure why Republicans even care. Harris is still a quite significant underdog. Republicans should be happy she was chosen and not a much stronger candidate.

 

[Financialpanther]

who cares?

Americans will vote for who they want.

If they want Trump it will be Trump.

If they want Harris it will be Harris.

Not sure why Republicans even care. Harris is still a quite significant underdog. Republicans should be happy she was chosen and not a much stronger candidate.

Republicans need to regain momentum after the convention really - this is an effort (a pretty weak one but one they have) to keep up their rallying against their opponent.

 

[bourbons]

No they're saying that if he cant run again he should resign.

Why?

Can he not think he'll be able to do the job for the next for the next 6 months but not for the next 4 years?

As if the above isn't the most obvious thing in the world and was to Republicans as well (right up until the instant he decided to pull out apparently lol)

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Republicans need to regain momentum after the convention really - this is an effort (a pretty weak one but one they have) to keep up their rallying against their opponent.

They dont need to do anything.

the betting market shows that right now Trump is a heavy favorite to win and has the momentum.

The democrats are the ones who have to get moving. Harris has to make up the ground lost by Bidens ineptitude. The pressure is on them.

 

[Financialpanther]

They dont need to do anything.

Right now Trump is a heavy favorite to win and has the momentum.

The democrats are the ones who have to get moving. Harris has to make up the ground lost by Bidens ineptitude. The pressure is on them.

Don't disagree - but GOP needs to stay in the headlines somehow.

 

[Bloods86]

During a primary process, if a candidate withdraws from the race, their delegates either automatically go to the other best placed candidates in the particular state or they become free agents to side with whoever they choose.

Presumably Harris has secured the free agents needed, or some other party rule allows delegates to become free agents if there is no other candidate who received delegates in that state (given Biden's relatively challenge free primary, common on both sides for encumbents).

Voters elect delegates, if their preferred candidate drops out, that's tough on them, they don't get to choose where their vote or delegate goes afterwards.

Party primaries are not direct democracies. This is already known. Republicans have their own rules too.

If you want to reform the system, sure, that's good. Put in a rule where the presumptive nominee drops out before the convention, automatically force an open convention, cool.

It just smacks of desperation with complaints or hand-wringing coming from Republicans.

 

[faible]

denied thevoters a say?

The voters will have a say in November.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Don't disagree - but GOP needs to stay in the headlines somehow.

It's an election..............

The headlines will find them.

 

[bourbons]

But he said that he would see out his term less than a week before he resigned.

"The coach has the full support of the board", oh oopsie no he doesn't. Earth shattering stuff for sure.

You guys crap on about threats to democracy but are very forgiving when it actually is circumvented. How unsurprising.

Pretty rich coming from the guy that has pretended for the last 2 weeks to have concerns about extreme political rhetoric while steadfastly ignoring any and all Republican examples of it

But sure, lets take this at face value - do you have some polling or other data indicating that this decision is not sitting well with Dem primary voters, that their democratic preference is actually being circumvented? Seems to be a fair bit of evidence of the opposite.

 

[bourbons]

You make it sound like he came to that decision on his own lol.

he was told quite plainly to get the **** out of the way.

And he had every right to tell them to **** off.

Thankfully, he came to his senses and finally agreed with what everyone including Republicans had been saying for a while now.

 

[faible]

First the Pro-Trump crowd told us Biden should stand aside, and that Harris was a shocking candidate.

Now Biden has stood aside, and Harris is almost definitely the candidate, and it's getting much more popular reactions than they expected, they're telling us it's not ok.

Funny

 

[HirdsTheWord]

And he had every right to tell them to **** off.

Thankfully, he came to his senses and finally agreed with what everyone including Republicans had been saying for a while now.

Disagree with the first part but yes, it's good he is gone.

Republicans should be happy that Kamala came out as the choice to replace Biden. Could have been much worse for them.

Trump is still the heavy favorite per the betting market.

 

[Dazzler9]

Disagree with the first part but yes, it's good he is gone.

Republicans should be happy that Kamala came out as the choice to replace Biden. Could have been much worse for them.

Trump is still the heavy favorite per the betting market.

Just like Hilary was.

 

[bourbons]

Disagree with the first part

Why? You can 25th amendment a president to remove him from the job, but as far as I'm aware their is literally no mechanism where a presumptive nominee can be forced to release his pledged delegates, he has to do it voluntarily.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Good lord, JD Vance is worse than we thought!

Can you imagine how dumb Americans are if they vote JD and orange man into office.
I keep saying how world leaders laugh at stupid Americans

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Just like Hilary was.

True.

 

[Financialpanther]

Disagree with the first part but yes, it's good he is gone.

Republicans should be happy that Kamala came out as the choice to replace Biden. Could have been much worse for them.

Trump is still the heavy favorite per the betting market.

Odds market will tighten significantly but don't disagree that its Donald's to lose right now. Right now, the betting markets view Harris as an extension of Biden given the proximity in office and she hasn't truly been tested in big events or debates.

The sample size of public viewing of her capability is still very small and everyone points to the 2020 primaries as evidence. Though, that may have been a learning experience to show she was not ready 4 years ago, this may be different now (who knows).

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Why? You can 25th amendment a president to remove him from the job, but as far as I'm aware their is literally no mechanism where a presumptive nominee can be forced to release his pledged delegates, he has to do it voluntarily.

I'm not disagreeing the technicality of removing a president.

but as part of the oath of office which is;



There is no way in good faith, Biden could have said those words again, and he should have removed himself.

if Biden genuinely cared about the office and the constitution, he would have pulled out of the race ages ago, to give the next candidate the best chance. All his done is make the democrats look inept, and they are on the back foot. They have a lot of ground to make up on Trump.

 

[Satan]

I'm not disagreeing the technicality of removing a president.

but as part of the oath of office which is;

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There is no way in good faith, Biden could have said those words again, and he should have removed himself.

Unlike trump who encouraged his cult to try to hang pence

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Unlike trump who encouraged his cult to try to hang pence

if i was American id take that over the guy who can't spell pence.

 

[faible]

if i was American id take that over the guy who can't spell pence.

lol.

 

[SSwans2011]

if i was American id take that over the guy who can't spell pence.

Cooked take

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Cooked take

Considering Biden was paying $11 to win to Trump $1.50, before Biden pulled out. What you think it's a cooked take. Is actually also called a reality take.

 

[Bloods86]

Considering Biden was paying $11 to win to Trump $1.50, before Biden pulled out. What you think it's a cooked take. Is actually also called a reality take.

Who you think will win, and who you want to win, are two different concepts.

Not sure why you think this is relevant.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Who you think will win, and who you want to win, are two different concepts.

Not sure why you think this is relevant.

Doesn't matter what i want. I'm not American and I'm not voting.

The truth is Trump was a walk-in over Biden. Americans generally would rather Trumps lunacy, over Bidens dementia.

Kamala has a lot of ground to make up now and is on the backfoot thanks to Biden. Good luck to her.