4th Ashes Test England v Australia July 19-23 1930hrs @ Old Trafford

[Groucho]

What's the alternative these critics are suggesting?

There shouldn't be rain?

Okay

Reserve days, timeless tests they seem to want everything when it suits them. Just like ten years ago there will be a time in the future where rain saves them and you won’t hear a peep out of them.

 

[A Pom]

A Pom how devastated for test cricket when this happened?

Not at all, not that I see the relevance of that.

 

[scottywiper]

The Poms have a fair point. If the series ends 2-2 it wouldn't feel right to celebrate.

That’s why they didn't celebrate when the World Cup Final finished in a tie

Touche. Maybe their just upset cos they thought hitting more fours always means a win???

 

[Foucault1989]

The Poms have a fair point. If the series ends 2-2 it wouldn't feel right to celebrate.

That’s why they didn't celebrate when the World Cup Final finished in a tie

But England hit the most boundaries which is a rule as old as time in cricket

 

[Silly Mid On]

Joel Wilson has been talking to Pat Cummins. Expect this to be called off once and for all soon.

Joel be like "sorry Pat, we tried hard but it doesn't like we could get any play in"

Pat (to Joel): "oh, what a shame. That's really disheartening to hear. I just think of the fans you know. Came all this way for nothing today.

anyhow, cheerio Joel, do check in again. See you in London".

(Door closes, Pat turns to teammates): get out the beers fellas, let's crack up the party"

 

[Foucault1989]

Not at all, not that I see the relevance of that.

I'm working out how to explain the most basic comparison to you but then I remembered you're a hypocritical pom who almost trumpian created their own reality

 

[Substance]

This whole series the English media, fans and especially players have been nothing but disrespectful to the Australian players. Not once have I heard them give any credit for their performances or acknowledgement of their objective success even when we have won

They talk a lot about the spirit of cricket. I'd go as far as saying England are doing far more damage to the spirit of cricket and sports etiquette more broadly with their ungracious, undignified and straight up hypocritical nonsense.

Here we are being told that retaining the ashes in England is something we should feel hollow about because one test match out of 5 was rain affected. Winning test matches overseas is an anomaly in modern cricket let alone retaining series.

I'm proud of this team and proud of this result. Looking forward to hopefully winning this series outright and watch them huff and puff.

100%. The bahavior & attitude from the whole lot of them has stunk. Coach, players, crowd, media, figure heads(apart from Athers, Vaughn, Hussain etc), have all been toxic. No credit to their opponents. Pretending they won when they didn't. Getting sanctimonious about the bairstow dismissal, unaware of their own hypocrisy being exposed a dozen times whilst doing so. Not one bit of reflection by them on how bairstow stuffed up multiple times, or how they threw away their wickets. The absolute cult-like mindset displayed by them is so flipping weird, but their media won't mention that.

Hardly a mention of the luck they've had with the tosses, conditions, Lyon, DRS(umpires call), but oh no Australia get 2 days of rain & suddenly we won't hear the end of it. They should know better than anyone it's never a hollow victory retaining the Ashes in an away series. They're 0 wins from their last 15 tests over here.

 

[A Pom]

I'm working out how to explain the most basic comparison to you but then I remembered you're a hypocritical pom who almost trumpian created their own reality

How about you put forward some valid reasoning for why you believe we shouldn't explore ways to improve the game by maximising the playing time rather than resorting to baseless personal insults? The irony is calling me Trumpian in all that...

 

[scottywiper]

100%. The bahavior & attitude from the whole lot of them has stunk. Coach, players, crowd, media, figure heads(apart from Athers, Vaughn, Hussein etc), have all been toxic. No credit to their opponents. Pretending they won when they didn't. Getting sanctimonious about the bairstow dismissal, unaware of their own hypocrisy being exposed a dozen times whilst doing so. Not one bit of reflection by them on how bairstow stuffed up multiple times, or how they threw away their wickets. The absolute cult-like mindset displayed by them is so *ing weird, but their media won't mention that.

Hardly a mention of the luck they've had with the tosses, conditions, Lyon, DRS(umpires call), but oh no Australia get 2 days of rain & suddenly we won't hear the end of it. They should know better than anyone it's never a hollow victory retaining the Ashes in an away series. They're 0 wins from their last 15 tests over here.

Exactly. They're laughably shit in Australia... Which they are completely glossing over. If they could win the odd Test Down Under they wouldn't have this issue.

 

[A Pom]

DRS(umpires call

That massive amount of luck we've had with umpires calling having -checks notes- a massive 1 decision go in our favour thanks to it... (i.e the exact same amount that went in Australia's favour).

 

[boncer34]

How about you put forward some valid reasoning for why you believe we shouldn't explore ways to improve the game by maximising the playing time rather than resorting to baseless personal insults? The irony is calling me Trumpian in all that...

Why didn't England explore these ways over the past decade if wash outs are such a tragedy?

 

[Gough]

We've still won more Tests in this series than England have touring here in the last decade.

 

[sthmelb_dimmies]

I'm so sick of these sooks.

Case in point: Matt Prior, 2013 Ashes

[question] "To retain the Ashes, would you be happy if it rained all day tomorrow?"

"More than happy. If it did, then great."

 

[Substance]

Like Ron Swanson ordering bacon & eggs, I'm gonna need all the simpsons memes you guys have.

 

[A Pom]

Why didn't England explore these ways over the past decade if wash outs are such a tragedy?

I suspect because at a management level they're happy as long as the money keeps coming in which it is at the moment. If anything England's the place where weirdly you probably both need changes most (because of the weather) and least (because the interest in test cricket is still there).

Previous inaction shouldn't be reasoning for why action shouldn't be explored going forward though.

 

[Mr Meow]

Stokes declares "perfect performance":

Stokes refused to accept any criticism that his side might have had improved their chances of victory by declaring their first innings, or upping their over rate, in an effort to hurry the game on.

“Regardless of what we did we would have ended up in the same situation,” he said. “I think anyone who is going to question the [lack of] declaration probably doesn’t understand the game as well as we do. We got three hours of cricket in two days. I don’t think, whatever we did, we would have been able to force a result in this game and that is unfortunately due to the weather.”

If England lifted their run rate to 6.2 rpo instead of 5.5, they would've set Australia a 223 lead to erase with 91 overs to bowl them out.

Since as recently as 2013 in the Ashes, a side has been able to bowl the other out in less than 91 overs on 46 occasions - with 24 of those involving the batting side making less than 223, and 14 of the others only eclipsing that total by 44 runs or less.

In the perfect performance, Stokes and England would've thrown the hammer down even more and given themselves a chance to accomplish something achieved 24 times in the Ashes in the last decade - one side bowling the other out for 223 or less within 91 overs. Or a feat that would've lead to a noble/close failure another 14 times - getting the wickets required but the Aussies having a tiny lead that the rain prevented from being chased.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Bizarre take. In general the on field umpires have heavily favoured Australia with their decisions this series. There have been 15 instances where a decision has been reviewed and had to be reversed because the original decision was clearly wrong, 11 of those decisions were originally made in Australias favour. For umpires call, each team has had 1 instance of a decision being given not out when appealing and failing to get it overturned as a result of umpires call.

Can you also add in those where decision was out and unable to be overturned due to umpires call ? The main issue would be lbw obviously.

 

[A Pom]

Can you also add in those where decision was out and unable to be overturned due to umpires call ? The main issue would be lbw obviously.

Why would we classify a ball projected to be hitting the stumps not being overturned as an incorrect decision in someone's favour...?

 

[Filthy Sanchez]

All that complaining about England having the better of the conditions seems frivolous now.

Australia had the conditions suit them when it mattered.

 

[TazHawk15]

She now has to be considered the greatest Tassie athlete of all time.

Maybe top 6

Royce Hart
Ricky P
Boonie
Richo
Max Walker

Are you taking the piss?
Arnie is a global superstar punter would be number 2 for sure but a few footballers of yesteryear are nowhere near Arnie.
BTW you put Hudson and Ian Stewart and Baldock on that list

 

[Mr Meow]

All that complaining about England having the better of the conditions seems frivolous now.

Australia had the conditions suit them when it mattered.

True, but nobody knew that a Test or more in advance.

 

[kickazz]

All that complaining about England having the better of the conditions seems frivolous now.

Australia had the conditions suit them when it mattered.

The first three tests mattered

 

[sthmelb_dimmies]

Maybe top 6

Royce Hart
Ricky P
Boonie
Richo
Max Walker

Lol.

Only on Bigfooty would Tassies Top 6 athletes be ranked like this. Farcical.

 

[Gough]

Are you taking the piss?
Arnie is a global superstar punter would be number 2 for sure but a few footballers of yesteryear are nowhere near Arnie.
BTW you put Hudson and Ian Stewart and Baldock on that list

No David Foster either.

 

[Kapow!!!]

I suspect because at a management level they're happy as long as the money keeps coming in which it is at the moment. If anything England's the place where weirdly you probably both need changes most (because of the weather) and least (because the interest in test cricket is still there).

Previous inaction shouldn't be reasoning for why action shouldn't be explored going forward though.

That has to be the single most disingenuous dismissal of a charge of hypocrisy I've ever seen.