Past 5. Sam Petrevski-Seton

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Juddernaut08 said:
Massive upgrade? maybe for tennis.
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Yes massive upgrade. You know what you will get from Hewitt. He will play a role. If its midfield he will run both ways, if it is defence he will defend. Is that blue collar Sydney midfielder in the vein of Jude Bolton. Squeezed out of Sydney due to salary cap issues. My father is a blood brother, I can tell you that are far from happy losing him.

What did SPS give us?
 
RiteBak@Ya said:
Yes massive upgrade. You know what you will get from Hewitt. He will play a role. If its midfield he will run both ways, if it is defence he will defend. Is that blue collar Sydney midfielder in the vein of Jude Bolton. Squeezed out of Sydney due to salary cap issues. My father is a blood brother, I can tell you that are far from happy losing him.

What did SPS give us?
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Find myself struggling to disagree with this.
 
RiteBak@Ya said:
Yes massive upgrade. You know what you will get from Hewitt. He will play a role. If its midfield he will run both ways, if it is defence he will defend. Is that blue collar Sydney midfielder in the vein of Jude Bolton. Squeezed out of Sydney due to salary cap issues. My father is a blood brother, I can tell you that are far from happy losing him.

What did SPS give us?
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I'm looking forward to Hewett. Was just poking fun at your spelling. My joke fell flat. I will learn and improve.
 

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Love the Drake said:
I think most of us could see this coming.
  • Played out of position for the last two years
  • Is a natural ball-hunter forced to play as an accountable backman
  • If anyone heard him talking to Syd Jackson during our tribute to Syd, you could hear how upset he was to be playing down back
  • Dropped numerous times
  • Played as the medical sub countless times
When this happens young players (he's 23 y.o) naturally feel homesick.

I am a fan of Samo's. Really think he has the tools/skills/game sense to be a top level midfielder. Yes - he's not overly quick. Yes - he seems quite laconic. But at his best I think he is an asset to any team.

Unfortunately we have whipped the life out of him, so his only option (as he see's it) is to go home and start afresh.

Hoping we can make this a good trade for us as I can see him becoming a very good player for West Coast.
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Homesick.

So he's going to Perth, which is a 29hr drive from Halls Creek.

Easy commute, that.

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RiteBak@Ya said:
Yes massive upgrade. You know what you will get from Hewitt. He will play a role. If its midfield he will run both ways, if it is defence he will defend. Is that blue collar Sydney midfielder in the vein of Jude Bolton. Squeezed out of Sydney due to salary cap issues. My father is a blood brother, I can tell you that are far from happy losing him.

What did SPS give us?
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yep - we need players with hurt factor - if not physically then the way bradley did it, or lance with his mythic smarts, or soss with his endless efforts.....
 
SPS is a talented player who has football IQ however if you don't take to the physicality of the game then you aren't going to make it very far in the game. This is SPS' biggest issue, he rarely commits to contests, he keeps himself out of harms way and you can't do that, particularly in higher pressure games.

After watching the two preliminary finals this year and how the Bulldogs and Melbourne players committed so strongly to every contest I thought, who at Carlton fits into this high effort, high pressure and highly physical game both sides are playing? There are some who would, some who might in time and some who are a definite no and SPS was a definite no.

Maybe with good development and leadership things may have been different. Leadership is important when it comes to getting players to do things they don't want to do but have to do to have ultimate success. SPS not doing things he doesn't want to do on the footy field is the reason SPS was on the outer at Carlton nothing more noting less.

I've been critical of our leadership over the last 20 years because this is an area we fall down in IMO. Teague playing him in the backline had nothing to do with him not playing well, he was put there because he wasn't playing like a midfielder because midfielders are supposed to be good in the contests and all he had to do was do this better to get back into our midfield. He didn't. Perhaps with stronger leadership to drive higher standards in individuals SPS may have developed better. Either way he hasn't turned out for us and if the opportunity comes to move on and bring in someone who will then that's an opportunity for us to improve as a team here. If SPS thinks it's going to be a walk in to WCE's best 22 he's in for a shock, he's going to have to get better to get regular games with them IMO.
 
TrueQldBlue said:
I'm thinking exactly what I posted.. haven't you been watching him play ... Hopeless

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In my opinion, I disagree with what you're saying.

He's a great talent and person but lacks confidence in his abilities. Whether that's something ingrained or has happened over time, doesn't detract from his ability to play the game.
We can see the difference from when he's switched on to when he isn't, and unfortunately the gap in the middle is too great, but it doesn't justify calling him hopeless.
When he's on, he's brilliant. When he's not on he's bottom 6.
 
gbatman said:
SPS is a talented player who has football IQ however if you don't take to the physicality of the game then you aren't going to make it very far in the game. This is SPS' biggest issue, he rarely commits to contests, he keeps himself out of harms way and you can't do that, particularly in higher pressure games.
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this unfortunately - not every player is a bull, nor do they have to be - no-one is suggesting he lacks ticker - have you seen the bulls he rides for fun? he just doesn't hit his man hard or make his opponent earn his kick enough, that's it.............
 
thylacine60 said:
this unfortunately - not every player is a bull, nor do they have to be - no-one is suggesting he lacks ticker - have you seen the bulls he rides for fun? he just doesn't hit his man hard or make his opponent earn his kick enough, that's it.............
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Not everyone has to be a bull but when it's your time to go, the players in the top sides mostly tend to go. If they have to take heavy contact to win or halve a contest they do. SPS doesn't, he avoids contact like the plague. IMO it comes down to leadership, I don't think our leaders drive standards very well and that can be hard when your past captain was renowned in the end for avoiding contact and pulling out of contests. There is nowhere to hide in an AFL team if you're not going to commit and he's not the only one in our team who has this problem. Was hoping he would mature and grow out of this but hasn't happened.

The reality for SPS is that he's not going to be any better a player if he doesn't get better with his contested game and show more consistency and commitment. He will surely get eaten alive in finals. It's up to him to do something about it and perhaps stronger leadership is what he needs.

Would be a very good player if he gets this right.
 

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Exquisite skills and sublime touch. Played some absolute blinders. But just not consistent enough for me. The bench mark is Mr S.Walsh. Young man comes in and makes everybody else look silly. When that's happening you need to lift. SPS ,whether he was out of position, not backed in enough or whatever the case was simply not up to scratch across the journey . Also needed to be a little more workman like. My fear is he goes to WC and goes up a notch and tears a new one in the future. But I really think we would've seen that by now. Good luck to him. He's very talented no doubt.
 
thylacine60 said:
aaaaaand, exactly who "takes their bag and runs home"? whatever that means?
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We're a rusted on supporter base. We're not full of:
- bandwagoners (like St Kilda, North, Hawthorn, Richmond etc); or
- fake members (GWS, GC, St Kilda, North)

We're the easiest target to hate on while not hurting the AFL's bottom line.
 
FlowersByIrene said:
We're a rusted on supporter base. We're not full of:
- bandwagoners (like St Kilda, North, Hawthorn, Richmond etc); or
- fake members (GWS, GC, St Kilda, North)

We're the easiest target to hate on while not hurting the AFL's bottom line.
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That's a big fairytale even for the FBI.
 
In the modern game definitely not one you let go. SPS weights the ball extremely well and has really clean hands. Perfect player to have half forward kicking into the key forwards, rotating into the midfield at times & as a defensive half forward.

If WC continue with their kicking style game then he'll fit in very nicely.

One of the few players who has time and space in traffic that can bring players into it. Only problem they didn't play him in traffic 90% of the time. Especially when he lacks explosive leg speed but has lightning footy smarts.

Let's discuss his intensity. When you place a player in a unsuited reactive environment lack of intensity will show because he is playing in his mind and not on instinct. This was apparent in many games by many players in the past couple of years. Far too often players were reactive (playing in your mind) and not playing on instinct. Confusing game plan? Lack of plan B. When this happens you are half a step behind your opponent.


Edit: Just read SOS article after writing the above. But had written about SPS last night as per below. Hope we can still keep him



For him to nominate WC means someone at WC sees an opportunity.

SPS is a 360 degrees player. More suited in traffic and stoppages, not half back. Rarely turns the ball over.

Some people here are bagging his inconsistency. But they also must explain why other high draft picks in Dow, O'Brien, Setterfied, Kennedy(until recently when played in correct position) have been in the same boat. We could also throw in Cunningham.

He decided to go. Not us letting him go.
 
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SOS defending his recruiting there, doubt he would make too many different decisions if he was in the coach's shoes. I don't think SOS recruited too badly but there's something I feel he neglects with the players he has selected.

There is no doubt SOS recruited talented players for us as he did for GWS, however a lot of them appear to be missing raw competitiveness. Some have it like Jack, Walsh, Stocker etc. Melbourne have it in spades and yes some had to develop it. Teams need a mix of both very talented and very competitive players and they need to be able to get these talented players that lack effort and competitive hunger to compete and put in and there is something missing at Carlton that lacks that too. IMO it's a strong leadership group.

The only thing stopping SPS from being a pretty good footballer is SPS however some players are externally motivated and if you are at a club which does not press your buttons and push you then you may not go to that next level. Sometimes these players move club but are too far gone and don't change or go to the wrong club and sometimes these players move club, end up at the right club and end up going to that next level. We will see with SPS. In the meantime Carlton need to figure out how it's going to get their talented players who are just lacking it to go to the next level. Stuff Diesel has recently alluded to.
 
The disappointing thing about this for me is that Samo had more 3vote games in the centre than Zac Williams at the time we went for that trade… the result is hard. I was hoping that he’d stick fat knowing the coaching staff were changing but a bloke can only handle so much.
 

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