Moved Thread #7: Jack Ziebell [Part I] © -

[The Big H]

Schwatta and Henwood are on the panel. They both loved a big hit. Imagine if Schwatta was in the same situation and had "spun out" of the collision. Denis would have been extremely happy....

 

[Heaps of fun]

I think players & clubs need to get the story loud and fast. It is not about whether you have a reasonable alternative, nor is it about making poor decisions. The AFL is trying to protect itself from litigation by punishing the result of certain onfield incidents. They do not need to be understandable incidents or ones that players can necessarily adapt too. They just need to be seen to be punishing - and therefore discouraging - these incidents. Basically, sh*t will happen and when it does - bad luck.

This sums it up well. The trials are sham trials with already certain outcomes.

 

[Horace]

Well I'm not going to compare Jack's and LT's situations with this because I spent enough time when they happened raging about how wrong they were. I want to spend my time raging on current matters that give me the s****.

And let me say that tonights decision tells me that our game is just about ruined and gives me the s****.

I was watching on TV when the clash happened and I just thought, wow, what a magnificent contest. Three blokes flat out, two of them in opposite directions after the ball and the third chasing his opponent. In an instant a hard tough collision, no intent on anyone's part to hurt anyone else; just try and win the contest and on with the game.

And that's the sort of thing that led me to follow this wonderful game. If this decision leads to fundamental changes to what we have all loved for such a long time, then tonight is a very bad night indeed.

I don't give a stuff about all the old farts (some of them much older than me even) led by KB complaining about how the game is ruined as a spectacle because of all the numbers around the ball; because this trend like every other trend, eventually sorts itself out. They are actually living in the past even more than I do, but they are wrong, the game is still a wonderful game and for mine I would rather watch a dour struggle where one side kicks 9.11 to the other 8.13 and it is a red hot contest from start to finish as opposed to Hawthorn's massacre of the Saints by 145 points last weekend.

But I do give a stuff if this decision takes away the physicality and redefines the game as we have known it and we have loved over all these years.

This decision tonight signals the real crisis in the game, not the so-called negative spectacle of too many numbers around the ball.

 

[astrovic]

Buckley on 360 tonight saying that LT lined up Reid 15metres off the ball got me angry!!! Arrogant prick won't let it go!!

Still hasn't got over Simmo handing his arse to him every time they played us.

 

[galloping]

When will the majority of footy fans say enough is enough. There are many issues the fans have had a gutful with.

Tribunal is only one, food costs another, getting seats, paying extra to reserve a seat, FFS. You want to go to the footy with a group of friends, buy on line, print the ticket, pay commission. Grog, it's a disgrace what is charged, it's endless.

Queues a mile long to get something to eat, one can miss almost a full quarter, parts of grounds closed. So inch bullshit associated with AFL games, one is better off going to the local footy, support local clubs not the AFL rubbish. To win a game you kick more than the other team, how boring is our supposedly best football code for spectators ? It's shithouse, absolutely shithouse.

Back to suspensions and tribunal, so may players have not even gone up or copped a suspension for worse situations that young Viney. Wish we had him, hope a few of our blokes had a look at his guts to be trampled. What's the kid going to do ? Turn front on and say kill me ? The tosser that suggests he should've spun to avoid contact, he's kidding, got his hand on it, the kid put his body on the line for his team, could've ended up in hospital and the AFL go whack. Just like they whack the fans with $

Speak up fans, avoid going to the AFL and hit them in the pocket, don't worry they will act, no fans for two weeks.

Surely we can all do something else and maybe the players and clubs are even a bigger voice, just don't front to play. Does a couple of games of footy really matter. Help some charities on the weekend, spend time with family and friends and turn your back on the AFL. Good on Dermie for saying enough is enough, no hall of fame,,just a night on the piss and a few laughs. Time the AFL and the powers to be copped a whack themselves.

 

[Mr Reliable]

Well I'm not going to compare Jack's and LT's situations with this because I spent enough time when they happened raging about how wrong they were. I want to spend my time raging on current matters that give me the s****.

And let me say that tonights decision tells me that our game is just about ruined and gives me the s****.

I was watching on TV when the clash happened and I just thought, wow, what a magnificent contest. Three blokes flat out, two of them in opposite directions after the ball and the third chasing his opponent. In an instant a hard tough collision, no intent on anyone's part to hurt anyone else; just try and win the contest and on with the game.

And that's the sort of thing that led me to follow this wonderful game. If this decision leads to fundamental changes to what we have all loved for such a long time, then tonight is a very bad night indeed.

I don't give a stuff about all the old farts (some of them much older than me even) led by KB complaining about how the game is ruined as a spectacle because of all the numbers around the ball; because this trend like every other trend, eventually sorts itself out. They are actually living in the past even more than I do, but they are wrong, the game is still a wonderful game and for mine I would rather watch a dour struggle where one side kicks 9.11 to the other 8.13 and it is a red hot contest from start to finish as opposed to Hawthorn's massacre of the Saints by 145 points last weekend.

But I do give a stuff if this decision takes away the physicality and redefines the game as we have known it and we have loved over all these years.

This decision tonight signals the real crisis in the game, not the so-called negative spectacle of too many numbers around the ball.

On SEN this morning KB predicted Viney would get off. He didn't think Viney had chosen to bump. He thought it was an accident. Made me wonder what a bump is? It has to be something other than a collision.

And do you choose to bump when all you do is brace yourself for impact at the very last instant?

F***!

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Game Officially Ruined.

The MRP is now basing their rulings on the injury, not the intention. This is absolutely crazy.

What if the collision was at a slightly different angle and Viney copped a broken jaw? Would Lynch be suspended?

What if Cooney diving on the ball had of ended Winderlichs career (which it would have if his knee buckled just a bit differently)? Would he be suspended?

The fact that the game has come to this is unbelievable. Accidents happen in a full body contact sport, that's the risk taken by all players.

 

[muttley45]

Schwatta and Henwood are on the panel. They both loved a big hit. Imagine if Schwatta was in the same situation and had "spun out" of the collision. Denis would have been extremely happy....

No, Swatta is not on the MRP, it is Schimma, Wayne Henwood, and Emmet Dunne i think

 

[Phillyroo]

Game Officially Ruined.

The MRP is now basing their rulings on the injury, not the intention. This is absolutely crazy.

What if the collision was at a slightly different angle and Viney copped a broken jaw? Would Lynch be suspended?

What if Cooney diving on the ball had of ended Winderlichs career (which it would have if his knee buckled just a bit differently)? Would he be suspended?

The fact that the game has come to this is unbelievable. Accidents happen in a full body contact sport, that's the risk taken by all players.

Why is everyone saying now??? This is no surprise at all. Quite the opposite, after the last three years and what we have copped this is standard.

 

[Marstermind]

There's nothing I can add that hasn't already been said by the majority of posters here. What an utterly disgraceful decision that goes against everything Australian Rules Football has ever stood for. It was a tough sport that is played by brave men. Now players are being asked to jump out of the way when body contact is coming at them. And the same people wonder why people are turning away from the grounds - they're taking away what everyone used to go to the game for. How sad.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Why is everyone saying now??? This is no surprise at all. Quite the opposite, after the last three years and what we have copped this is standard.

When I say "now" I mean in the last few seasons, comparing them to the 80's, 90's and 00's.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

And Deledio got off his charge.

So the message from the AFL tonight is that elbowing someone in the face is OK, but a collision in a collision sport is bad.

Elbow away boys!!

 

[Jimmy's Hot Dogs]

Finally I might have made an AFL footballer. Short stepping and squibbing the contest is the way of the future! Chuck in a pirouette and I'm there.



Disgraceful decision. Hopefully they appeal and he gets off.

 

[CBSlogger]

With the removal of the 'accidental' head clash this season, the AFL have completely misfired in their attempt to stop the likes of LT's snipe-ish shepherds.

Accidental head clashes should still be acceptable, so long as the intent of the player is/was the ball. Let's face it, LT aimed up Reid & legally took him out. North didn't even have possession of the ball. The AFL knew it & they reacted. They did the same with Byron's then-legal hits.

Unfortunately the change is misguided & unrefined, given that even non-malicious bumps are now governed by the how-we-wished-we-could-have-dealt-with-LT rule.

 

[Heaps of fun]

They don't like Jack's at AFL House.

That's because we're a pack of campaigners.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Classic case of manipulating the outcome too.

Once they found him guilty, it has to be high impact because of Lynch's broken jaw. But doing that would have meant 4+ weeks.

 

[sketcher]

Buckley on 360 tonight saying that LT lined up Reid 15metres off the ball got me angry!!! Arrogant prick won't let it go!!

Buckley is a hypocrite and a big part of the reason we have this stupid rule. Thomas and Reid were in fact within 5 metres of the ball (which was acknowledged by the MRP) and therefore within the rules at the time.

 

[Phillyroo]

Buckley is a hypocrite and a big part of the reason we have this stupid rule. Thomas and Reid were in fact within 5 metres of the ball (which was acknowledged by the MRP) and therefore within the rules at the time.

A hypocrite and a a$$$$$$hole

 

[Benno_900]

Forget any relevance to Ziebell.

This is the worst decision in AFL disciplinary history and that's really saying something.

AFL defence counsel argued he should've spun out of the way? Seriously? Nevermind the fact that there was no time to sit down and pull out a notepad/pen to consider his options.

The AFL actually want players to move out of the way and avoid contact. An act that will see players banished to the reserves by their own club.

This game is ****ed. I've been watching less and less non-North games these days because of this shit.

They keep heading down this path and I'm off the AFL altogether.

I hope the Dees appeal for the good of the game.

 

[Harris 10]

Once they come to a crappy guilty verdict, how do they classify it as medium.

I want to know what they classify as high impact is it a coma or death?

On top of that, they want to know about his junior record, who gives a stuff what he did in under 15's.


Been saying it for years AFLPA needs to make a stand for its members.

 

[archereleven]

Once they come to a crappy guilty verdict, how do they classify it as medium.

I want to know what they classify as high impact is it a coma or death?

On top of that, they want to know about his junior record, who gives a stuff what he did in under 15's.


Been saying it for years AFLPA needs to make a stand for its members.

Yep, so have i... The AFLPA is a joke in every sense of the word

 

[benbanjo]

MRP is a joke...
Viney should have gotten a rep at worst....

 

[chubbspeterson]

Shame the nba and premier league are ending soon, probably gain a fair few fans lately.

 

[Twinkletoes]

And Deledio got off his charge.

So the message from the AFL tonight is that elbowing someone in the face is OK, but a collision in a collision sport is bad.

Elbow away boys!!

The Other McKernan's incident proved that last year.

As for Viney...........I had to go for a long walk when that news broke, suddenly swamped with JZ injustice flashbacks. PTSD!

Yep, this is even worse than Jack's smother ending up in a holiday. Viney's act was magnificent and Archeresque. The little bloke surviving a car crash with a B-Double, remaining focussed on the ball, smashing his way through another opponent then winning the thing charging forward.

The MRP's view of that? "F*** that off!"

It's an embarrassment and, despite my doubts after seeing the scant regard they gave our Jack's appeal at the Appeal Tribunal last year, I truly hope things are different this time.

Two Wongs don't make a Wight!

 

[ozzyoslo]

Seriously thinking of not following the sport...........is isn't Australian rules anymore. Whats worse is that a former club champion is being a part of this decision.