Conspiracy Theory 9/11 and the Europhysics News - Controlled Demolition

[BustedWing]

Watch the videos....World class Architects & Structural Engineers with Phd's all agree to a man

THis is patently incorrect. the number of architects and engineers that agree with you are less....much much less, than 1% of the A&E population. Hardly "to a man" is it...

But I guess we'll just have to take your word for it, that you know better amigo.

This is the best part! You dont have to take our word for it, you can trust in the physics. If you think the physics are wrong, then by all means, show us where, show us why.

In fact, almost every detail in the commissioned 9/11 report, has been proven false

Another patently false assertion, and to boot, are you confusing the NIST report with the 9/11 commission report? They are different reports you know...

 

[nut]

What did you find most compelling?

Happy to challenge your point of view if you like...


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WTC building 7 falling for over 2 seconds of free fall. That fact is included in the NIST report.
Physics explains the rest.

 

[Zidane98]

WTC building 7 falling for over 2 seconds of free fall. That fact is included in the NIST report.
Physics explains the rest.

Only the north facade descended in freefall and only after the columns supporting it had failed from the fires.

What you also fail to meniton is that it stopped descending at freefall speeds once it encountered resistance from the rest of the building collapsing beneath it. Your free fall theory is debunked mainly because only a small section of the building descended at free fall speeds and only for a very short period of time. If the building really had been brought down by explosives the whole building would've descended at free fall speed.

This is all in the NIST report.

 

[nut]

Only the north facade descended in freefall and only after the columns supporting it had failed from the fires.

What you also fail to meniton is that it stopped descending at freefall speeds once it encountered resistance from the rest of the building collapsing beneath it. Your free fall theory is debunked mainly because only a small section of the building descended at free fall speeds and only for a very short period of time. If the building really had been brought down by explosives the whole building would've descended at free fall speed.

This is all in the NIST report.

So you believe the explanation of column 79?

 

[Zidane98]

So you believe the explanation of column 79?

It's not a matter of belief. Once column 79 became disconnected to the girders on floor
13 due to thermal heat expansion of steel beams collapse was mathematically certain in conjuction with other damaged caused by fires. AlL videos show the collapse of the facade first followed by the rest of the building progressively collapsing.

 

[nut]

It's not a matter of belief. Once column 79 became disconnected to the girders on floor
13 due to thermal heat expansion of steel beams collapse was mathematically certain in conjuction with other damaged caused by fires. AlL videos show the collapse of the facade first followed by the rest of the building progressively collapsing.

It is a matter of belief... you believe that explanation and I don't.

 

[Lebbo73]

Dumb campaigners meaning: anyone that believes that WTC7 fell because of fires.

 

[Procrastinator35]

It is a matter of belief... you believe that explanation and I don't.

Hey, I've got an idea....Lets just ignore the fact, that the towers had a solid steel core entirely....Shit, that's what the loon who proposed the pancake collapse theory did....So lets all join in the absurd & ridiculous deception.

So the peeps who committed the crime had sole authority over it's investigation.....Oh yeah, I'll take a slice of that bullshit pie.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Dumb campaigners meaning: anyone that believes that WTC7 fell because of fires.

What's even more amusing, is that no other sky-scraper in the world, built of steel, which went up in flames, has ever collapsed....Yet here we are expected to believe, that all 3 WTC buildings on 9/11, miraculously bucked that trend, of their own volition.

And WTC7 wasn't even hit by a plane.

There are eye-witness accounts of all 3 buildings having their lobby's blown up & many V.I.P's being conveniently 'absent' from their usual posts, or hastily whisked away prior to the event going down.

No one with an ounce of common sense, who has studied all the evidence, could argue this wasn't an inside job.

 

[BustedWing]

It is a matter of belief... you believe that explanation and I don't.

What about it is impossible to you? Are you able to show us where it's incorrect?

 

[BustedWing]

Lets just ignore the fact, that the towers had a solid steel core entirely

What does this even mean? You're saying the towers had a solid steel core??? Like a whole block of steel 110 stories tall?

 

[BustedWing]

What's even more amusing, is that no other sky-scraper in the world, built of steel, which went up in flames, has ever collapsed

This is incredibly misleading. If I were to show you steel framed structures that collapsed due to fire, you would retract this statement? Why you guys cling to this "first time in history!!!" garbage, I will never know.

Yet here we are expected to believe, that all 3 WTC buildings on 9/11, miraculously bucked that trend, of their own volition.

Argument from incredulity- no facts of evidence to be seen.

And I would hardly call having a nearly fully fueled jet crash into them at 500 mph "of their own volition".

besides, why only talk about three buildings at ground zero? Why dont you want to talk about WTC 4, 5 and 6 (I KNOW!! Other buildings with the same numerical sequence!)? What about the orthodox Church? Why wont you talk about them? Planes didnt hit them either you know...

And WTC7 wasn't even hit by a plane.

Sure, can you guess what it WAS hit by??

There are eye-witness accounts of all 3 buildings having their lobby's blown up

No there arent. I discussed this earlier. You disagree with me? Proof please.

many V.I.P's being conveniently 'absent' from their usual posts

No there werent. Happy to give you a list of "VIPs" who died that day. Can you give me a list of these VIPs that apparently were absent from their usual posts, or "whisked away" prior to the attacks as you put it?

No one with an ounce of common sense, who has studied all the evidence, could argue this wasn't an inside job.

You have just posted...let me count...8 either misleading or strait up incorrect "facts" on this page alone. All without any evidence. And you want to talk about common sense??

Lemme guess whats going to happen next. You're going to ignore the fact that your points above have been exposed as total bullsh$It, and instead will move onto some other 9/11 conspiracy. Those points will then also be exposed as garbage, and you will, of course, ignore that too. You might even throw in some "shill!!!" accusations or call a few posters fools, sheeple, or morons for good measure.

Then...you will disappear.

 

[nut]

This is incredibly misleading. If I were to show you steel framed structures that collapsed due to fire, you would retract this statement? Why you guys cling to this "first time in history!!!" garbage, I will never know.


Argument from incredulity- no facts of evidence to be seen.

And I would hardly call having a nearly fully fueled jet crash into them at 500 mph "of their own volition".

besides, why only talk about three buildings at ground zero? Why dont you want to talk about WTC 4, 5 and 6 (I KNOW!! Other buildings with the same numerical sequence!)? What about the orthodox Church? Why wont you talk about them? Planes didnt hit them either you know...


Sure, can you guess what it WAS hit by??


No there arent. I discussed this earlier. You disagree with me? Proof please.


No there werent. Happy to give you a list of "VIPs" who died that day. Can you give me a list of these VIPs that apparently were absent from their usual posts, or "whisked away" prior to the attacks as you put it?


You have just posted...let me count...8 either misleading or strait up incorrect "facts" on this page alone. All without any evidence. And you want to talk about common sense??

Lemme guess whats going to happen next. You're going to ignore the fact that your points above have been exposed as total bullsh$It, and instead will move onto some other 9/11 conspiracy. Those points will then also be exposed as garbage, and you will, of course, ignore that too. You might even throw in some "shill!!!" accusations or call a few posters fools, sheeple, or morons for good measure.

Then...you will disappear.

Following the events of September 11, 2001, Kenneth Johannemann and William Rodriguez provided a detailed account of their experience. One aspect of their stories is similar, but contradicts the official report presented by the 9/11 commission. Both men reported that they heard loud explosions in the basement of the North Tower immediately before and after the plane impacted. Kenneth Johannemann was adamant about the fact that he heard explosions not associated with the crash. William Rodriguez also claimed to have heard a massive rumble in the basement of the North Tower, seconds before the plane hit.

 

[BustedWing]

Following the events of September 11, 2001, Kenneth Johannemann and William Rodriguez provided a detailed account of their experience. One aspect of their stories is similar, but contradicts the official report presented by the 9/11 commission. Both men reported that they heard loud explosions in the basement of the North Tower immediately before and after the plane impacted. Kenneth Johannemann was adamant about the fact that he heard explosions not associated with the crash. William Rodriguez also claimed to have heard a massive rumble in the basement of the North Tower, seconds before the plane hit.

The video you posted relates to Barry Jennings, not Kenneth Johannemann or William Rodriguez. All three are simply explained as people in a traumatic situation getting timelines wrong.

It is also important to note...

One aspect of their stories is similar, but contradicts the official report presented by the 9/11 commission. Both men reported that they heard loud explosions in the basement of the North Tower immediately before and after the plane impacted.

Rodriguez' testimony didn't make mention of these explosions until years later (2004), when he was involved in a suit against Bush, Cheney et al.

But again...lets use logic here. Whats more likely?

People heard the plane impacts/other things exploding/crashing down as a result, and just got their timelines mixed up in the chaos and trauma of a horrible day.

OR

They heard (I repreat they DID NOT SEE, but heard) explosions before the planes impact, hundreds of meters from where damage was inflicted, hundreds of meters from where collapse initiated, and said explosions were not detected by seismic recordings, camera recordings, nor was any evidence found in the clean up. Said explosions occured because....well just because. They definitely didn't contribute to the collapse at all.

Whats the more likely explanation?

 

[nut]

The video you posted relates to Barry Jennings, not Kenneth Johannemann or William Rodriguez. All three are simply explained as people in a traumatic situation getting timelines wrong.

It is also important to note...

Rodriguez' testimony didn't make mention of these explosions until years later (2004), when he was involved in a suit against Bush, Cheney et al.

But again...lets use logic here. Whats more likely?

People heard the plane impacts/other things exploding/crashing down as a result, and just got their timelines mixed up in the chaos and trauma of a horrible day.

OR

They heard (I repreat they DID NOT SEE, but heard) explosions before the planes impact, hundreds of meters from where damage was inflicted, hundreds of meters from where collapse initiated, and said explosions were not detected by seismic recordings, camera recordings, nor was any evidence found in the clean up. Said explosions occured because....well just because. They definitely didn't contribute to the collapse at all.

Whats the more likely explanation?

Both Jennings and Johannaman are dead...

 

[cannot]

Both Jennings and Johannaman are dead...

http://jenningsmystery.com/

 

[BustedWing]

Both Jennings and Johannaman are dead...

Yep I know.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Both Jennings and Johannaman are dead...

So are 100's of other witnesses who've been 'bumped-off' ever since that day....The Lead Dutch architect who openly declared that the buildings collapsing the way they did, unaided by demolition was impossible, was dead within 6 months.

The 7 people in the 'war-games' control-room, who had control of the 2 drone aeroplanes, from Stuart airforce base....All assumed it was a 'mock-simulation'....They only realized, half an hour later, they had been complicit in mass murder, at the orders of Cheney.

All of them had a member of their family kidnapped with the threat of death if they spoke-up....All are now dead.

 

[darthbards]

Ok...here are my responses...

To start with, we need to establish a logical position for you. Either you

(a) are of the opinion that the official story is a physical and scientific impossibility, ie, it LITERALLY could not possibly have happened the way they say it did, or.

(b) You believe that it COULD have happened that way, its not physically impossible, but it was MORE likely to have been something else. Controlled demolition as an example.

Which camp you are in will determine how the conversation flows. If you believe in (a), then this should be simple. You just need to point out where the working is incorrect. Where they "forgot to carry the three" in their maths, as it were. 1+1 can only ever = 2, and if NIST, 9/11 commission report etc say it in fact = 3, then you should be able to point this out.

If you believe in (b) then you need to explain WHY you beleive CD to be the more plausible explanation for the events we see.


I dont think it has any hallmarks of a controlled demolition. The collapse initiated from the point of impact, not from the base, the speed of collapse was much much slower than free fall (9 seconds = free fall, whereas the towers fell at 16-22 seconds respectively), No evidence of conventional explosives were found (yes, we can talk about thermite/nanothermite if you think thats a plausible theory).



You're talking about these I assume, and think they are "squibs"?

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These puffs of dust are the result of air inside the building being compressed as the building above collapsed. Remember, the buildings were all open plan office space (lots of air in them), and that air needs to have somewhere to go. it goes where the path of least resistance is, and it is in these seeminly indiscriminate exit points that the air found just that.

One has to ask, you only see these "squibs" AFTER the collapse has begun, not BEFOREHAND, which is when you would need explosives to go off, right? To INITIATE collapse. Sure we can agree that once the collapse got underway, nothing was going to stop that process. So why would these comparatively small charges even need to be there at all? There is no use at all for them, as they do not contribute to the overall collapse of the buildings at all.



Actually there were no EYE witness accounts of explosions. Lots of people heard explosions, absolutely, but no one said "I SAW a bomb go off" or "I SAW an un-detonated bomb". Instead, people said they "heard explosions". Some even said words to the effect "it was like a bomb went off". Do we take that statement literally, or was that a way for someone to describe what they heard that day?

Given the chaos and destruction of the day, lots of things could have caused those noises. Debris was raining down from the impact zones, people were falling onto the footpath below, inside the buildings, things were on fire, generators could have blown, fuel tanks could have blown, elevators could have snapped, and fallen to the bottom of the shafts and so on and so on and so on. All of those things make really loud, sudden and, dare I say it, explosive noises.

So what am I saying here? I'm saying that someone hearing an explosion does not mean it was a bomb.


Its been documented that more than likely these people are mixed up in their timelines, and the noises they heard are of tower 1 collapsing when they were in the basement of tower two. Then there is the testimony of William Rodrigues. He says that a bomb went off in the basement just as the plane hit. In fact, best guess is that it was an elevator falling to the bottom of the shaft.

Again, the question needs to be asked. WHY have bombs going off AN HOUR BEFORE collapse? What purpose did they even serve, when collapse began at the TOP of the towers, right where the planes hit?

Surely the most logical explanation here is that it wasnt bombs afterall, and what these people heard were other things....

So in summary,

We have planes hitting a building.
Collapse initiated at this point.
No evidence found of bombs.
No evidence found of Thermite (and no, I dont beleive that scientific paper doing the rounds. If you like, I'll be happy to explain why).
The logical fallacy of beleiving Thermite was used AND people heard bombs (thermite would be used as its a "quiet" incendiary, so if thats the case, then why are people "hearing bombs"?)
No explosion sounds caught on tape at the moment of collapse, right when bombs would need to detonate, despite thousands of cameras trained at the towers at that time.
The towers falling a much slower speeds than free fall, a considered "hallmark" of controlled demolition.
The implausability of being able to rig a 110 story building secretly with explosives that are either super quiet, or go off early, depending on your position.
The implausability of rigging said explosions right at the point the planes hit the towers, have them survide the impact, and then detotate right at the appropriate moment, some 90 odd minutes later.

Which is more likely here?

Surely its the official story....

Can't say I'm overly convinced,you seem to just repeat the official story which is rather dodgy. Your also dismissing the thermite angle,your air pockets theory is ok but it could also be detinations. It's also not that implausible to rig the building. If you tell people your doing maintanence on the building people are going to believe or not really care,while its happening or do it at night over a period of time.
If people question the government view I don't see to much harm,keep them honest etc and have them do the neccasary enquiry. Personally I think it's dangerous when you have people trying to speak for the government and try and convince everybody that the rubbish the government speak is true. They can speak for themselves. I still think it was an inside job,I also think this saga gave the Americans confidence to steal MH370.
If people think these things are inside jobs and they're not,no harm done really. If people try and convince people they weren't but they are,lots of harm done. I don't really get why the shills care so much about debunking these theories. If the US are so great being a puppet for them is of little significance,if their not so great being a puppet is very harmful to mankind.

 

[BustedWing]

Can't say I'm overly convinced,you seem to just repeat the official story which is rather dodgy.

you need to articulate WHY its dodgy. Just saying "it all seems a bit fishy to me" doesnt cut it. Where is it wrong? Why is it wrong?

Your also dismissing the thermite angle,

I am dismissing it, because no evidence of thermite, or thermate or nanothermite was ever found. The only paper ever released on this topic was thoroughly dismissed as rubbish. This is 100% a dead end. Let me know if you want me to explain why.

your air pockets theory is ok but it could also be detinations.

The problem with your position is the ONLY evidence you have of detonations is "look, it sorta kinda looks like little bombs". Thats it. Nothing else. The air pocket theory (and I use that term in the scientfic sense) holds so much more water. You yourself have just said that the air pocket theory is "ok". meaning that its in your eyes at least, possible. Given the fact that no evidence of bombs/squibs were ever found, and given the challenge of placing them in a public building in the first place, how is that more likely to you?

t's also not that implausible to rig the building. If you tell people your doing maintanence on the building people are going to believe or not really care,while its happening or do it at night over a period of time.

It would take many many months to rig the building with explosives, or thermite or whatever you choose to nominate as the explosive, done over many floors. Its not a weekend job, and its a highly specialised job. It would also need to be applied to the core columns. They were very visible to workers. Guess how many people said after the fact "hey, before 9/11 I remember guys coming in and placing wierd looking things all over the core columns". Yup....none. There is also the challenge of those detonation specialists that would have needed to be hired for the job. It wouldnt have been just a couple, but whole teams. 110 stories rigged up is a MASSIVE job. How many have come forward saying "I was offered the job of wiring up WTC 1/2 for 9/11!" yep....none.

You THINK its plausible, but in reality, its damn near impossible, and there is precisely ZERO evidence for it having happened. There is the same amount of evidence for Godzilla being responsible for 9/11. Why even discuss it?

If people question the government view I don't see to much harm,keep them honest etc

I agree, nothing wrong with asking questions, SO LONG as you dont dismiss the answers. Question the answers too if you like, but dont ignore them.

Personally I think it's dangerous when you have people trying to speak for the government and try and convince everybody that the rubbish the government speak is true.

Let the facts and evidence do the talking then. Thats much easier, and much more believable don't you think?

I still think it was an inside job

Why? What evidence do you have, other than a general distrust of government?

I also think this saga gave the Americans confidence to steal MH370.

Oh boy...what?? You know wreckage has been found right?

If people think these things are inside jobs and they're not,no harm done really.

This contradicts your above fear of misinformation RE government. Misinformation is bad. There is tons of it on here. Truth does in fact need to stand above all.

I don't really get why the shills care so much about debunking these theories.

There are no shills here. No one is being paid by "the government" to post on big footy, I can assure you.

If the US are so great being a puppet for them is of little significance,if their not so great being a puppet is very harmful to mankind.

Not sure I understand, but nontheless, you have deviated.

Finishing up, do you mind answering my initial question to you? This one:

(a) are of the opinion that the official story is a physical and scientific impossibility, ie, it LITERALLY could not possibly have happened the way they say it did, or.

(b) You believe that it COULD have happened that way, its not physically impossible, but it was MORE likely to have been something else. Controlled demolition as an example.

Which camp you are in will determine how the conversation flows. If you believe in (a), then this should be simple. You just need to point out where the working is incorrect. Where they "forgot to carry the three" in their maths, as it were. 1+1 can only ever = 2, and if NIST, 9/11 commission report etc say it in fact = 3, then you should be able to point this out.

If you believe in (b) then you need to explain WHY you beleive CD to be the more plausible explanation for the events we see.

 

[BustedWing]

Can't say I'm overly convinced,you seem to just repeat the official story which is rather dodgy. Your also dismissing the thermite angle,your air pockets theory is ok but it could also be detinations. It's also not that implausible to rig the building. If you tell people your doing maintanence on the building people are going to believe or not really care,while its happening or do it at night over a period of time.
If people question the government view I don't see to much harm,keep them honest etc and have them do the neccasary enquiry. Personally I think it's dangerous when you have people trying to speak for the government and try and convince everybody that the rubbish the government speak is true. They can speak for themselves. I still think it was an inside job,I also think this saga gave the Americans confidence to steal MH370.
If people think these things are inside jobs and they're not,no harm done really. If people try and convince people they weren't but they are,lots of harm done. I don't really get why the shills care so much about debunking these theories. If the US are so great being a puppet for them is of little significance,if their not so great being a puppet is very harmful to mankind.

There is also this:

We have planes hitting a building.
Collapse initiated at this point.
No evidence found of bombs.
No evidence found of Thermite (and no, I dont beleive that scientific paper doing the rounds. If you like, I'll be happy to explain why).
The logical fallacy of beleiving Thermite was used AND people heard bombs (thermite would be used as its a "quiet" incendiary, so if thats the case, then why are people "hearing bombs"?)
No explosion sounds caught on tape at the moment of collapse, right when bombs would need to detonate, despite thousands of cameras trained at the towers at that time.
The towers falling a much slower speeds than free fall, a considered "hallmark" of controlled demolition.
The implausability of being able to rig a 110 story building secretly with explosives that are either super quiet, or go off early, depending on your position.
The implausability of rigging said explosions right at the point the planes hit the towers, have them survide the impact, and then detotate right at the appropriate moment, some 90 odd minutes later.

Which is more likely here?

You can still distrust the government (I dont trust them, especially now with Trump), but to have that distrust cloud your critical thinking and judgement, thats doing yourself a grave disservice.

 

[BustedWing]

So are 100's of other witnesses who've been 'bumped-off' ever since that day....

Do you just make things up as you go along??

Evidence and proof is pretty important here. Got any?

 

[darthbards]

you need to articulate WHY its dodgy. Just saying "it all seems a bit fishy to me" doesnt cut it. Where is it wrong? Why is it wrong?


I am dismissing it, because no evidence of thermite, or thermate or nanothermite was ever found. The only paper ever released on this topic was thoroughly dismissed as rubbish. This is 100% a dead end. Let me know if you want me to explain why.


The problem with your position is the ONLY evidence you have of detonations is "look, it sorta kinda looks like little bombs". Thats it. Nothing else. The air pocket theory (and I use that term in the scientfic sense) holds so much more water. You yourself have just said that the air pocket theory is "ok". meaning that its in your eyes at least, possible. Given the fact that no evidence of bombs/squibs were ever found, and given the challenge of placing them in a public building in the first place, how is that more likely to you?


It would take many many months to rig the building with explosives, or thermite or whatever you choose to nominate as the explosive, done over many floors. Its not a weekend job, and its a highly specialised job. It would also need to be applied to the core columns. They were very visible to workers. Guess how many people said after the fact "hey, before 9/11 I remember guys coming in and placing wierd looking things all over the core columns". Yup....none. There is also the challenge of those detonation specialists that would have needed to be hired for the job. It wouldnt have been just a couple, but whole teams. 110 stories rigged up is a MASSIVE job. How many have come forward saying "I was offered the job of wiring up WTC 1/2 for 9/11!" yep....none.

You THINK its plausible, but in reality, its damn near impossible, and there is precisely ZERO evidence for it having happened. There is the same amount of evidence for Godzilla being responsible for 9/11. Why even discuss it?


I agree, nothing wrong with asking questions, SO LONG as you dont dismiss the answers. Question the answers too if you like, but dont ignore them.


Let the facts and evidence do the talking then. Thats much easier, and much more believable don't you think?


Why? What evidence do you have, other than a general distrust of government?


Oh boy...what?? You know wreckage has been found right?

This contradicts your above fear of misinformation RE government. Misinformation is bad. There is tons of it on here. Truth does in fact need to stand above all.


There are no shills here. No one is being paid by "the government" to post on big footy, I can assure you.


Not sure I understand, but nontheless, you have deviated.

Finishing up, do you mind answering my initial question to you? This one:

(a) are of the opinion that the official story is a physical and scientific impossibility, ie, it LITERALLY could not possibly have happened the way they say it did, or.

(b) You believe that it COULD have happened that way, its not physically impossible, but it was MORE likely to have been something else. Controlled demolition as an example.

Which camp you are in will determine how the conversation flows. If you believe in (a), then this should be simple. You just need to point out where the working is incorrect. Where they "forgot to carry the three" in their maths, as it were. 1+1 can only ever = 2, and if NIST, 9/11 commission report etc say it in fact = 3, then you should be able to point this out.

If you believe in (b) then you need to explain WHY you beleive CD to be the more plausible explanation for the events we see.

You sure you don't work for the government? I can see why a conspiracy theorist might get obsessed but I can't work out why it would happen the other way round.
Anyway,I'd say I'm in the B camp,Carn the mighty B's

 

[BustedWing]

You sure you don't work for the government? I can see why a conspiracy theorist might get obsessed but I can't work out why it would happen the other way round.

haha! Im here for roughly the same reason everyone else is. Entertainment. Its fun to debate and have interesting conversation. And 9/11 is nothing if not interesting.

Anyway,I'd say I'm in the B camp,Carn the mighty B's

Love it. That to me means sanity on your front. If the OS isnt "impossible" then we are getting somewhere...

 

[cannot]

Do you just make things up as you go along??

Evidence and proof is pretty important here. Got any?

WITNESS DOD COD TITLE


Suzanne Jovin 12/04/98 Murder: stabbed 17 times, her throat was slit. Yale student wrote thesis about Osama bin Laden, her thesis adviser was an intelligence operative. Her parents, Thomas and Donna Jovin, are American scientists—molecular and cell biologists—who work at the Max Planck Institute for Biophysical Chemistry.


John P. O’Neill 09/11/01 Killed in the World Trade Center. FBI counterterrorism chief responsible for the investigation into Osama bin Laden. On 8/22/01, after claims of repeated obstruction of his investigations into Saudi funding, O’Neill left the FBI. Became head of World Trade Center security just days before 9/11.
5 scientists who Ukrainian authorities say they can’t reveal their names 10/04/01 Commercial flight from Israel to Novosibirsk blew up over the Black Sea by a Ukrainian surface-to-air missile All five were Russian microbiologists


Prasanna Kalahasthi 10/19/01 Suicide: hanging. Wife of Flight 11 passenger


Kathy T. Nguyen 10/28/01 Inhaled anthrax Manhattan hospital worker


Benito Que 11/12/01 Just happened to be mugged and beat up by four men, perhaps with baseball bats, at the very same time he was having a stroke that caused huge intracranial bleeding. (“There are a number of nerve agents that can mimic a stroke and leave no traces,” said Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a US specialist in the field of toxic poisons.) Also said to have had a heart attack. A cell biologist working on how infectious diseases, like the HIV virus, could be genetically engineered into a bio-warfare program. He worked in a restricted lab at the Miami Medical School. Expert in DNA sequencing that could provide a genetic marker based on genetic profiling/genome specific biological warfare. But Dr. Bach Ardalan, professor of medicine at the Univ. of Miami and Que’s boss for the past three years, says he wasn’t doing anything related to microbiology, and didn’t work with anthrax or infectious diseases. He was a researcher in a lab where he tested various agents as potential cancer drugs.


Don Wiley 11/16/01 Fell off a bridge due to a dizzy spell and history of 2-3 seizures per year. One of the foremost microbiologists in the United States. Professor of biochemistry and biophysics at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, dept. of molecular and cellular biology, at Harvard University. Expert on how the immune system responds to viral attacks such as the classic doomsday plagues of HIV, ebola and influenza — all with a capability to be used as biological weapons. Worked with and had “profound knowledge” of anthrax at the peak of the anthrax scare. Shared research with Vladimir Peschnik.
Vladimir Psechnik 11/21/01 Stroke (“There are a number of nerve agents that can mimic a stroke and leave no traces,” said Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a US specialist in the field of toxic poisons.) Russian Microbiologist, top scientist in the Soviet Union’s bioweapons program that used DNA sequencing, defected to the UK in 1989. Dr. David Kelly was one of the government agents who debriefed him. He spent ten years at the Centre for Applied Microbiology and Research at the UK Dept. of Health at Porton Down, before forming Regma Biotechnologies, along with Dr. David Kelly, which researches tuberculosis and other drug resistant infections, and has a contract with the U.S. Navy for the diagnostic and therapeutic treatment of anthrax. He did DNA sequencing research.


Avishai Berkman 11/24/01 Crossair flight from Berlin to Zurich crashed on landing


Amiramp Eldor 11/24/01 Crossair flight from Berlin to Zurich crashed on landing


Yaacov Matzner 11/24/01 Crossair flight from Berlin to Zurich crashed on landing


Robert M. Schwartz 12/10/01 Murder: Stabbed with a sword, and an “X” was cut into the back of his neck Dr. Schwartz was a biophysicist and expert in DNA sequencing and pathogenic micro-organisms. He worked at the Center for Innovative Technology in Herndon, Va. He was a founding member of the Virginia Biotechnology Assoc., and Executive director of research and development at Virginia’s Center for Innovative Technology. He worked closely with Vladimir Pasechnik on DNA sequencing.

Roman Kuzmin 12/11/01 Hit by a car as he fled a store with three stolen rolls of film. Russian surgeon studying in Connecticut, part of Physician Exchange Program between the U.S. and Russia of KEGGI Orthopaedic Foundation
Lt. Col. Pete Raffa 12/02/01 Heart attack Ohio Air National Guard commander out of Toledo, Ohio, Commander of Operations, 180th Fighter Wing scrambled on 9/11, Pentagon says at 10:17 a.m., but eyewitness saw them at 9:00 a.m. May have shot the plane called Flight 93.
Set Van Nguyen 12/14/01 Entered a low temperature storage area where biological samples were kept that was full of deadly nitrogen Worked as a microbiologist at Australia’s Animal Health Laboratory at Geelong. He had been part of the team which had created a new variant of mousepox, a cousin of smallpox. Mousepox could become an unstoppable killer once unleashed. He worked on genetic manipulation and DNA sequencing.

Alexi Brushlinski 01/__/02 Murder Russian Microbiologist

Ivan Glebov 01/__/02 Murder: bandit attack Russian Microbiologist

Vladimir Korshunov or Victor Korshunov 02/09/02 Bashed over the head: “Cranial Injury” Head of microbiology facility at Russian State Medical Univ. An expert in intestinal bacteria of children around the world.
Ian Langford 02/12/02 Found naked from the waist down, and wedged under a chair at his blood-spattered and ransacked home: suffered one or more falls. Head injuries and large amounts of blood found Russian, senior research associate in CSERGE, UK. He was an expert in environmental risks and disease, leukemia and infections. Senior researcher at University of East Anglia.
Tanya Holzmayer 02/27/02 Murder: shot 7 times by Gyuang Huang who jumped out of the shadows while she told Domino’s Pizza man she hadn’t ordered a pizza Russian microbiologist, defected in 1989, expert in DNA sequencing. Worked at PPD, Menlo Park biotech firm. Focused on the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best by medicine.
Guyang “Matthew” Huang 02/27/02 Suicide: gunshot to the head Microbiologist, expert in DNA sequencing. Senior research fellow at the Univ. of Washington’s Dept. of Molecular Biology, professor at the Univ. of Mass., Amherst. Founder of So. China Natl. Human Genome Research Center
David Wynn-Williams 03/24/02 Caught between two cars that collided while he was jogging. Neither driver was hurt. Astrobiologist with the NASA Ames Research Center, and the British Antarctic Survey, studying the habits of microbes that might survive in outer space. Microbiologist, and expert on DNA sequencing.
David Mostow 03/25/02 Plane he was flying crashed One of the country’s leading infectious disease and bioterrorism experts, associate dean at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Centre.
Leland Rickman 06/24/03 Headache UC San Diego expert on infectious diseases and, since Sept. 11, 2001 a consultant on bioterrorism. He had been working in Lesotho, a small country bordered on all sides by South Africa, with Dr. Chris Mathews, director of the UC San Diego Medical Center’s Owen Clinic, teaching African medical personnel about the prevention and treatment of AIDS. President of the Infectious Disease Assn. of California, and a multidisciplinary professor and practitioner with expertise in infectious diseases, internal medicine, epidemiology, microbiology and antibiotic utilization.
David Christopher Kelly 07/18/03 Suicide: wounds to the left wrist, copramaxol ingestion and coronary artery atherosclerosis, results classified by Lord Hutton for 70 years British weapons inspector, senior adviser on biological weapons to the U.N. weapons inspections in Iraq.
Bertha Champagne 10/10/03 Crushed by her car Marvin Bush’s family babysitter
Michael Perich 10/11/03 Drowned in his car LSU West Nile research scientist fighting the spread of the West Nile virus.
Robert Leslie Burghoff 11/20/03 Killed in a hit and run accident. Scientist studying the virus plaguing cruise ships
Ezra Harel 11/24/03 Heart attack Chairman of Israeli company that handled security for all 9/11 airports
Robert Shope 01/23/04 Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis caused by either environmental stimulus or a virus. Virus expert who warned of epidemics, and led group of scientists with $11 million federal grant; worked with Dr. Mike Kiley on the UTMB Galveston lab upgrade to BSL 4, which hosts the most hazardous pathogens known to man, including tropical and emerging diseases and bioweapons.
Michael Patrick Kiley 01/24/04 Heart failure Expert on mad cow and ebola.
Vadake Srinivasan 03/13/04 Stroke and car crash Microbiologist
Mohammed Munim al-Izmerly 04/__/04 Bashed in the head from behind when in U.S. custody, perhaps with a bar or a pistol: brainstem compression. U.S. doctors made a 20cm. incision in his skull. Iraqi chemistry professor
Unnamed 05/05/04 Stuck himself with a needle laced with ebola Russian scientist at Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia that got aid from Americans.
William T. McGuire 05/05/04 Body found in three suitcases floating in Chesapeake Bay New Jersey University Professor and Senior Programmer analyst and adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark.
Eugene Mallove 05/14/04 Murder: beaten to death Alt. Energy Expert, well respected for his knowledge of cold fusion. He had just published an “open letter” outlining the results of 15 years research in the field of “new energy research.” He was convinced it was only a matter of months before the world would actually see a free energy device.
Antonina Presnyakova 05/25/04 Stuck herself with a needle laced with Ebola Soviet scientist
Thomas Gold 06/22/04 Heart failure Theory of deep hot biosphere, professor emeritus of astronomy at Cornell University and found of Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research
Assefa Tulu 06/24/04 Dallas County Epidemiologist
Paul Norman 06/27/04 The plane he was flying crashed Expert in chemical and biological weapons; world lecturer on defending against weapons of mass destruction; chief scientist for chemical and biological defence at the Ministry of Defence’s laboratory at Porton Down.
John Mullen 06/29/04 Poisoned: huge dose of arsenic A nuclear research scientist with McDonnell Douglas, doing contract work for Boeing.
Bassem al-Mudares 07/21/04 Mutilation and torture Iraqi Ph.D. chemist
John Badwey 07/21/04 Pneumonia Biochemist at Harvard Medical School specializing in infectious diseases; opposed sewage waste program that exposed humans to sludge
John Clark 08/12/04 Hanged An expert in animal science and biotechnology where he developed techniques for the genetic modification of livestock. Head of the science lab which created Dolly the sheep, the first animal cloned from an adult. He led the Roslin Institute in Midlothian, one of the world’s leading animal biotechnology research centres. Prof Clark also founded PPL Therapeutics, Rosgen and Roslin BioMed.
Mohammed Toki Hussein al-Talakani 09/05/04 Murder: gunshot Iraqi Nuclear Physicist
Matthew Allison 10/13/04 Car exploded: duraflame log and propane canisters on the front seat.
John R. La Montagne 11/02/04 Car crash in snowy weather Ph.D., head of U.S. Infectious Diseases Unit, NIAID Deputy Director.
Taleb Ibrahim al-Daher 12/21/04 Murder: shot by unknown gunmen north of Baghdad Iraqi nuclear scientist
Tom Thorne and Beth Williams 12/29/04 Wild life scientists, experts on chronic wasting disease and brucellosis
Jeong H. Im 01/07/05 Murder: Stabbed to death then put in the trunk of his car which was then set on fire Korean retired research assistant professor at the University of Missouri-Columbia, primarily a protein chemist.
Col. Ted S. Westhusing 06/05/05 Suicide: Gunshot to head Specialist on ethics, oversaw USIS, which trained Iraqi police. He found out that USIS cheated on its contract, covered up killings of civilians, and illegally participated in assault on Fallujah
David Graham 09/17/06 Poisoned: Anti-freeze Saw 3 of the alleged hijackers in Shreveport with a Pakistani businessman
Christopher Landis 11/__/06 Suicide Operations Manager for Safety Service Patrol for Va. Dept. of Transportation, in charge of road closures and maintenance of light poles
Salvatore Princiotta 05/23/07 Murder 1st responder firefighter from Ladder 9
Paul Smith 10/07/07 Ran over by a car Chopper 7 pilot
Perry Kucinich 12/19/07 Fell down (six months after Dennis Kucinich introduced resolution to impeach Dick Cheney) Brother of Dennis who called for new 9/11 investigation
Deborah Palfrey 04/15/08 Suicide: hanging DC Madam
Bruce Edwards Ivins 07/29/08 Suicide: Tylenol with codeine overdose Microbiologist, vaccinologist, senior biodefense researcher at the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) in Fort Detrick, Maryland and a key suspect in the 2001 anthrax attacks.
Barry Jennings 08/19/08 N.Y. Housing Authority Emergency Coordinator
Kenneth Johannemann 08/31/08 Suicide: Gunshot to head Janitor WTC
Beth Ann Kucinich 11/11/08 Acute respiratory distress syndrome (five months after Dennis Kucinich introduced resolution to impeach George Bush) Sister of Dennis Kucinich
Beverly Eckert 02/12/09 Commuter Airplane Crash Co-Chairwoman of Voices of 9/11
Michael H. Doran 04/28/09 Airplane Crash 9/11 Victims Lawyer
Major Gen. David Wherley 06/22/09 Commuter Train Crash General who scrambled fighter jets to Washington on 9/11
Unnamed (Fellow ticket agent was Michael Tuohey) Suicide Boston Logan Ticket Agent who checked Atta and Alomari

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