Conspiracy Theory 9/11 - Part 2

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The Scales said:
. Had me scratching my head.
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Peptides can cause that, did you know?

Anyway, evidently the call on mh370 dropped out because 0f the height of the aircraft, something like only 1/8th of the height of the planes in America where several very clear phone calls were made, 13 years ago.
 
The Scales said:
http://www.ae911truth.org/ ( read RHS column, and any hyperlink you choose ),and http://wtc7proof.blogspot.com.au/ are a tiny insight into the fact no other skyscraper has collapsed due to fire, in this fashion ever. Partial collapses, yes, but never complete structural failure, confined to an area this small.

Clearly points to controlled ( ie: pre-meditated ) demolition, imo.
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So?

It hadn't happened elsewhere, so it's impossible?

The sprinkler system failed and there was no water pressure for the fire fighters, as the reports said.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
So?

It hadn't happened elsewhere, so it's impossible?

The sprinkler system failed and there was no water pressure for the fire fighters, as the reports said.
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Nothing is impossible, and it is fine to draw whatever conclusion you choose. I elected to go with the balance of probability, this phenomena has only ever been witnessed as the result of a controlled demolition.
 
The Scales said:
Nothing is impossible, and it is fine to draw whatever conclusion you choose. I elected to go with the balance of probability, this phenomena has only ever been witnessed as the result of a controlled demolition.
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I don't really get the "you can draw whichever conclusion you choose".

Well yes you can, but you also don't know what you're talking about (nor do I)

Subsequently, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) was authorized to lead an investigation into the structural failure and collapse of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and 7 World Trade Center.[7]The investigation, led by Dr S. Shyam Sunder, drew upon in-house technical expertise as well as the knowledge of several outside private institutions, including the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE); the Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE); the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA); the American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC); theCouncil on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat(CTBUH); and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY)
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In November 2008, NIST released its final report on the causes of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center.[6] This followed NIST's August 21, 2008, draft report which included a period for public comments.[7] In its investigation, NIST utilizedANSYS to model events leading up to collapse initiation and LS-DYNA models to simulate the global response to the initiating events.[50] NIST determined that diesel fuel did not play an important role, nor did the structural damage from the collapse of the Twin Towers, nor did the transfer elements (trusses, girders, and cantilever overhangs). But the lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, column 79 buckled – pulling the east penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the remaining portion of the building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse.
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So these qualified bodies, after a long investigation and public comment come up with this answer, yet because you've never seen it before, "on the balance of probabilities" it didn't happen??
 
Bunk Moreland said:
I don't really get the "you can draw whichever conclusion you choose".

Well yes you can, but you also don't know what you're talking about (nor do I)





So these qualified bodies, after a long investigation and public comment come up with this answer, yet because you've never seen it before, "on the balance of probabilities" it didn't happen??
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And you believe any investigation report that came 9/11?
Many engineers have commented that jet fuel would not cause the twin towers to collapse, the planes hitting them were just a decoy for the bombs that were detonating from the ground floors, hence why many firefighters heard popping noises when entering the towers.
Witnesses seen dark trucks out front the Towers before the planes hit.
The more your research the more you will realise that the American government is at the mercy of the Israelis.
The Israelis are behind all the false flags, these false flags are designed to give the American Government reason to disarm its population which makes the US less resistant when Israel eventually invades.
 
Look simply taking every single argument and generalising it into some big picture conspiracy means nothing.

Let's stick to the specific topic at hand. The official explanation for the collapse of WTC7 was reached by those qualified bodies, and public commentary was invited prior to the final report being published.

The above is the summary of the explanation - what about it is demonstrably false? And how were all those bodies compelled to agree with it?
 
Apparently, this is one of the best 9/11 documentaries. Don't think I've seen it.

Now you will discover the definitive truth about 9/11 and learn why even the most popular movies on the subject have failed to address the evidence exhaustively presented in this video. The facts will make it abundantly clear that the so-called 9/11 "Truth" movement has been infiltrated and is ultimately controlled by the same criminal group who masterminded the attacks. As they say, 'if you want to control the dissent you lead the dissent.' Utilizing evidence from the FBI, CIA, NSA, US Armed Forces Intelligence sectors, Foreign Intelligence organizations, local law enforcement agencies and independent investigators, Missing Links goes where no other 9/11 video has dared to."

http://www.911missinglinks.com/
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Bunk Moreland said:
I don't really get the "you can draw whichever conclusion you choose".

Well yes you can, but you also don't know what you're talking about (nor do I)

So these qualified bodies, after a long investigation and public comment come up with this answer, yet because you've never seen it before, "on the balance of probabilities" it didn't happen??
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mysterious-collapse-of-wtc-seven/15201
"The task of providing the definitive explanation of the collapse of WTC 7 was given to NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology. Although NIST had been expected to issue its report on this building along with its report on the Twin Towers, which came out in 2005, it did not. NIST then continued to delay this report until August of 2008, at which time it issued a Draft for Public Comment".
"NIST is an agency of the US Department of Commerce. During the years it was writing its World Trade Center reports, therefore, it was an agency of the Bush-Cheney administration. In 2004, the Union of Concerned Scientists put out a document charging this administration with “distortion of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends.” By the end of the Bush administration, this document had been signed by over 15,000 scientists, including 52 Nobel Laureates and 63 recipients of the National Medal of Science".
"NIST had repeatedly said that its analysis of the collapse was “consistent with physical principles.” One encountered this phrase time and time again. In its final report, however, this phrase is no more to be found".
"NIST thereby admitted, for those with eyes to see, that its report on WTC 7, by admitting free fall while continuing to deny that explosives were used, is not consistent with the principles of physics".
"And yet the mainstream press will not report this admission. So the press continues to support the notion that anyone who questions the official reports on 9/11 is unfit for public service".

Qualified bodies? 118/500 first responders expert testimony disregarded, in regard to witnessed explosions? And no-one has seen this phenomena before, or since, yet three occured on the same day, in a concentrated area - yet only two were the result of aircraft impact?

Methinks something doesn't ring quite true. I, like most of us have to defer to the experts, and theyr'e not overly convinced with the NIST report either.
 

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The Scales said:
And no-one has seen this phenomena before, or since, yet three occured on the same day, in a concentrated area - yet only two were the result of aircraft impact?
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How many buildings have had the same building design as the two towers as well as the same conditions?
 
Here's that document the Union of Concerned Scientists released

http://m.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/abuses_of_science/scientists-sign-on-statement.html

What on earth does it have to do with the report of the collapse of WTC7? It's about federal policy making. And it was released years before NISTs final report on WTC7.

As for the delay in their report... That was explained?

The bulk of the investigation of 7 World Trade Center was delayed until after reports were completed on the Twin Towers.[7] In the meantime, NIST provided a preliminary report about 7 World Trade Center in June 2004, and thereafter released occasional updates on the investigation.[36] According to NIST, the investigation of 7 World Trade Center was delayed for a number of reasons, including that NIST staff who had been working on 7 World Trade Center were assigned full-time from June 2004 to September 2005 to work on the investigation of the collapse of the Twin Towers.[48] In June 2007, Shyam Sunder explained, "We are proceeding as quickly as possible while rigorously testing and evaluating a wide range of scenarios to reach the most definitive conclusion possible. The 7 WTC investigation is in some respects just as challenging, if not more so, than the study of the towers. However, the current study does benefit greatly from the significant technological advances achieved and lessons learned from our work on the towers."[49]
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And NISTs briefing...

NIST consulted with local authorities in New York about the agency's plans for the WTC investigation, including the following organizations: the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the Fire Department of New York, the New York City Department of Buildings, the New York City Department of Design and Construction, and the New York City Office of Emergency Management. A public meeting to gather input on the scope of the pending investigation was held in New York City on June 24, 2002; the suggestions and comments were considered in developing the final investigation plan.

The NIST investigation will involve the participation of world-class technical experts from industry, academia and other laboratories to complement the agency's in-house technical expertise. NIST also will draw expertise from a private-sector coalition that includes professionals from the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE), Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE), the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), the American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC), the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH), and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY).

Additionally, NIST will maintain liaison with other industry organizations, standards and codes bodies, and the insurance industry during its investigation, as well as the families of building occupants and first responders, and organizations representing families of victims such as the Skyscraper Safety Campaign.
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http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/n02-14.cfm

Seems like the entire world was in on this fix... including the victims families!
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Here's that document the Union of Concerned Scientists released

http://m.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/abuses_of_science/scientists-sign-on-statement.html

What on earth does it have to do with the report of the collapse of WTC7? It's about federal policy making. And it was released years before NISTs final report on WTC7.

As for the delay in their report... That was explained?
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"The distortion of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease if the public is to be properly informed about issues central to its well being, and the nation is to benefit fully from its heavy investment in scientific research and education. To elevate the ethic that governs the relationship between science and government, Congress and the Executive should establish legislation and regulations that would:
  • Forbid censorship of scientific studies unless there is a reasonable national security concern;
  • Require all scientists on scientific advisory panels to meet high professional standards; and
  • Ensure public access to government studies and the findings of scientific advisory panels.
To maintain public trust in the credibility of the scientific, engineering and medical professions, and to restore scientific integrity in the formation and implementation of public policy, we call on our colleagues to:
  • Bring the current situation to public attention;
  • Request that the government return to the ethic and code of conduct which once fostered independent and objective scientific input into policy formation; and
  • Advocate legislative, regulatory and administrative reforms that would ensure the acquisition and dissemination of independent and objective scientific analysis and advice".
Shows the scientific community were sick of political interference, suppression of data, arbitrary removal of qualified peers and the lack of credibility in relation to released information. This was damaging to their reputations, but was largely unknown within the wider community, who took NIST findings as reported - because they believed the scientific evidence would not be compromised.

If the NIST can falsely represent the scientific community to the point of a petition to Congress, surely it is no great leap to think they may be skewing results in the WTC 7 investigation / report?
 
Of course it's a great leap - it's a bloody massive leap.

The charge there is that the work of scientists was being censored and the public not being given access to findings, in order for policy making to proceed.

How on earth is that the case here?

What findings are being censored? They're clear for all to read. Who doesn't have access?

Who's work is being hidden? Why haven't we heard from them?
 
Interview with Jesse Ventura explaining why and how mainstream media is complicit in the cover-up of 9/11 and JFK and makes a few other valid points on related topics:

 
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