A first for AFL Stats

[Lunchtime]

When it comes to AFL stats, there's always a first for everything. This is the first time an AFL team has missed the finals after being in the top 3 on the ladder with 4 games remaining. All Fremantle had to do was beat Port Adelaide.....and they lost.

The self destruct button was pressed. Carlton make the top 8, Fremantle miss out on Finals footy.

 

[Lunchtime]

Stats galore.

 

[Roobs321]

I remember the Demons being a game clear top in 2004 with 4 rounds left

Their previous three games were against the bottom 3. They didn't win again.

 

[Bushdid911]

Pretty sure this would be a first, but I don't care enough to check. Currently we have 5 teams whose last finals win was a grand final win:

Collingwood
Geelong
Melbourne
Richmond
Hawthorn

If Dogs beat Hawks, and Geelong go out in straight sets, we'll add a sixth to the list. A full third of the comp.

 

[maskmcgee]

If Dogs beat Hawks, and Geelong go out in straight sets, we'll add a sixth to the list.

Who and how and why would Hawks and Geelong, two teams already on that list, continuing to not win, somehow add a 6th team to it?

 

[Bushdid911]

Who and how and why would Hawks and Geelong, two teams already on that list, continuing to not win, somehow add a 6th team to it?

Maybe have another think about that one!

 

[Dirty Bird]

Pretty sure this would be a first, but I don't care enough to check. Currently we have 5 teams whose last finals win was a grand final win:

Collingwood
Geelong
Melbourne
Richmond
Hawthorn

If Dogs beat Hawks, and Geelong go out in straight sets, we'll add a sixth to the list. A full third of the comp.

Your wording is terrible.

Who and how and why would Hawks and Geelong, two teams already on that list, continuing to not win, somehow add a 6th team to it?

I thought the same as the delivery was horrendous but after

Maybe have another think about that one!

It made sense.

Bulldogs def Hawthorn = Hawthorn's last final win was the 2015GF
And if Geelong goes out in straight sets = Geelongs last final win was the 2022GF

The other 3 (Collingwood, Melbourne and Richmond) didn't make finals. So all 5 would have their last Finals win as a GF

And whoever wins the premiership will be 6.


The comment by Bushdid911 is correct. But the wording is so terrible it almost gives one an aneurysm

 

[Bushdid911]

The comment by Bushdid911 is correct. But the wording is so terrible it almost gives one an aneurysm

It really doesn't take a rocket surgeon, but do go on

 

[terrybull]

When was the last time only one of the seven (five clubs) previous Premiers make the Finals?

 

[ioppolo]

I remember the Demons being a game clear top in 2004 with 4 rounds left

Their previous three games were against the bottom 3. They didn't win again.

Not quite. They were indeed a game clear in first after round 18, but lost to Port (finished 1st), Sydney (6th), Carlton (11th) & West Coast (7th). Ended the year 5th and are Essendon's most recent finals victory as a result.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

When it comes to AFL stats, there's always a first for everything. This is the first time an AFL team has missed the finals after being in the top 3 on the ladder with 4 games remaining. All Fremantle had to do was beat Port Adelaide.....and they lost.

The self destruct button was pressed. Carlton make the top 8, Fremantle miss out on Finals footy.

Serves them right for signing Woodside as their major sponsor despite the opposition to it.

 

[Roobs321]

Not quite. They were indeed a game clear in first after round 18, but lost to Port (finished 1st), Sydney (6th), Carlton (11th) & West Coast (7th). Ended the year 5th and are Essendon's most recent finals victory as a result.

you misread and therefore the meaning escaped you, I said their previous three games were against the bottom 3. i.e. prior to being top and not winning again (against better oppo as you outlined).

 

[Osho]

Your wording is terrible.


I thought the same as the delivery was horrendous but after



It made sense.

Bulldogs def Hawthorn = Hawthorn's last final win was the 2015GF
And if Geelong goes out in straight sets = Geelongs last final win was the 2022GF

The other 3 (Collingwood, Melbourne and Richmond) didn't make finals. So all 5 would have their last Finals win as a GF

And whoever wins the premiership will be 6.


The comment by Bushdid911 is correct. But the wording is so terrible it almost gives one an aneurysm

It may have been a tad cryptic by not including the punch line, or perhaps the punchline was obvious?

 

[Bushdid911]

It may have been a tad cryptic by not including the punch line, or perhaps the punchline was obvious?

Honestly it didn't occur to me that I would need to explain why Geelong and Hawks winning a final would mean they are no longer on the list of teams whose last win was in a Grand Final.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

So when was the last time a team qualified for finals despite not beating anyone above the bottom 3 for the last 9 games?

 

[Rotayjay]

Pretty sure this would be a first, but I don't care enough to check. Currently we have 5 teams whose last finals win was a grand final win:

Collingwood
Geelong
Melbourne
Richmond
Hawthorn

If Dogs beat Hawks, and Geelong go out in straight sets, we'll add a sixth to the list. A full third of the comp.

You might say that's the equalisation system working - you win a flag and you drop off.

 

[Bushdid911]

You might say that's the equalisation system working - you win a flag and you drop off.

Another fun fact, West Coast and Bulldogs could also be on this last if they didn't have the good fortune of coming up against Essendon in the finals.

West Coast beat Essendon in 2019 for their only finals win since the 2018 flag. And Bulldogs beat Essendon week 1 of finals in 2021 to kickstart their run to the grand final.

Even equalisation can only do so much to combat Essendon's finals record

 

[Purple Suit]

You might say that's the equalisation system working - you win a flag and you drop off.

Or that experience is key now. Only old teams can win it but maintaining the level after saluting is hard.

 

[Bushdid911]

When was the last time only one of the seven (five clubs) previous Premiers make the Finals?

Only Melbourne made it last year.

Geelong, Richmond, West Coast, Bulldogs, Hawthorn all did not.

 

[Rotayjay]

Or that experience is key now. Only old teams can win it but maintaining the level after saluting is hard.

There does seem to be a trend towards older and older premiership sides. If I recall correctly, Hawthorn 2015 was the oldest ever, then Geelong 2022 broke that record, then Collingwood 2023 broke that record.

A friend of mine is a tennis fan and said (in the 2010s) that the world's best tennis stars were often teenagers in decades gone by, but now players in their thirties dominate. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic all won championships in that age bracket.

 

[terrybull]

Only Melbourne made it last year.

Geelong, Richmond, West Coast, Bulldogs, Hawthorn all did not.

I just meant this year.

Premiers of 2017-2023 only Cats have made the Finals this year.

 

[Tonythetiger]

Your wording is terrible.


I thought the same as the delivery was horrendous but after



It made sense.

Bulldogs def Hawthorn = Hawthorn's last final win was the 2015GF
And if Geelong goes out in straight sets = Geelongs last final win was the 2022GF

The other 3 (Collingwood, Melbourne and Richmond) didn't make finals. So all 5 would have their last Finals win as a GF

And whoever wins the premiership will be 6.


The comment by Bushdid911 is correct. But the wording is so terrible it almost gives one an aneurysm

I'm in awe of your ability to decode this. I wanted to, but I gave up thinking it was impossible. I'm both smarter and dumber for viewing this thread.

 

[Bushdid911]

I just meant this year.

Premiers of 2017-2023 only Cats have made the Finals this year.

Yeah I meant last year only Dees made it of the previous premiers. Geelong, Richmond, West Coast, Bulldogs, Hawthorn all missed so we only had one of the premiers from 2013-2022.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Was thinking Sam Docherty

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Sam Docherty

Age

31

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

15.1

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

22.6

5star

K

16.0

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

0.6

1star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.6

3star

playing against the same side at the same venue (Lions at the Gabba) in 3 consecutive career games is a first but someone probably did in a 2nd Semi Final-Grand Final-Round 1 GF replay sequence at the G’ back in the day.

 

[ioppolo]

Was thinking Sam Docherty playing against the same side at the same venue (Lions at the Gabba) in 3 consecutive career games is a first but someone probably did in a 2nd Semi Final-Grand Final-Round 1 GF replay sequence at the G’ back in the day.

Useless AFL stats covered this, most names included the 1948 drawn grand final and replay in it.