A new Dank interview

[BlueWorld]

including Dank. So we have 34 players, with many saying they didnt know exactly what they were given, and Dank claiming they did. Plus we have incomplete records. I wonder who is telling the truth in this lot?

So do I. Who really knows?

 

[LoungeLizard]

I agree Im guessing, but whatever the answer, player's confessions are the least likely given what would have transpired if they did

but as you said many of the players said they did not know what they were given, yet 34 received IN"s 3 didn't.
Dank has stated that they all knew what they were given.
You asked who would you believe?
I am not too sure who i would believe, but it just don't add up for 3 to be let off if they were in the same boat as the other 34

 

[mxett]

but as you said many of the players said they did not know what they were given, yet 34 received IN"s 3 didn't.
Dank has stated that they all knew what they were given.
You asked who would you believe?
I am not too sure who i would believe, but it just don't add up for 3 to be let off if they were in the same boat as the other 34

there must have been some difference. The club was pretty clear in 2013 that signing for the program did not mean the players received all substances on their forms. From memory there were also suggestions that some consents werent even signed. Who really knows. I do know a players confession in early 2013 would have ended this very quickly

 

[LoungeLizard]

there must have been some difference. The club was pretty clear in 2013 that signing for the program did not mean the players received all substances on their forms. From memory there were also suggestions that some consents werent even signed. Who really knows. I do know a players confession in early 2013 would have ended this very quickly

Nothing the club has done since this story has broke been "pretty clear"
Stories have been changing the whole way through.

 

[mxett]

Nothing the club has done since this story has broke been "pretty clear"
Stories have been changing the whole way through.

not about whether banned substances were used, not about safety of substances. In fact can you tell me where the club have changed their story significantly?

 

[LoungeLizard]

not about whether banned substances were used, not about safety of substances. In fact can you tell me where the club have changed their story significantly?

Lets just say this.
"I will take full responsibility"

 

[Deliverance]

they may have, I didnt discount that possibility.

who knows. My understanding is the consents were generic and mentioned many substances which were not necessarily given to each player. Maybe for one reason or another the 3 players had consents that didnt say thymosin

Any chance 3 of them did some homework and said, no thanks, no Thymosin for me?

 

[Proper Gander]

there must have been some difference. The club was pretty clear in 2013 that signing for the program did not mean the players received all substances on their forms. From memory there were also suggestions that some consents werent even signed. Who really knows. I do know a players confession in early 2013 would have ended this very quickly

Not so. I'm an investigator - it doesn't work like that.

You interview someone - they say I think this is what happened, but I'm not sure. Or in this case someone says I was given TB4 - but you put it to an official and they say 'no ... Guy is confused and this is what happened.' So then you go ... Hey, I have five statements from people who reckon they got TB4, enough corroborative evidence for a cause of action? Your internal lawyers say nup, insufficient to be worth the risk of going in.

Then there is the agency senior management. Some are risk averse, some happy to spend funds on testing a 50/50 case.

Then there is always a point where agency lawyers put their view, but then someone says 'lets invest some dollars in getting this endorsed by co-council - so you send it to the AGS to hire a QC for a further memorandum of advice...

You see the picture. It's messy. And I get a bit fed up with ASADA attackers like Robbo crapping about dragging feet and taxpayer dollars etc. that isn't the way it goes, and investigations don't go slow just for the hell of it.

Anyway - point being, one player saying he was given TB4 would not have ended it in 2014.

 

[mxett]

Lets just say this.
"I will take full responsibility"

that was one person acting on his own

Any chance 3 of them did some homework and said, no thanks, no Thymosin for me?

possibly, but unlikely though IMO. They may have had a change of heart and refused to be part of the investigation entirely

 

[mxett]

Not so. I'm an investigator - it doesn't work like that.

You interview someone - they say I think this is what happened, but I'm not sure. Or in this case someone says I was given TB4 - but you put it to an official and they say 'no ... Guy is confused and this is what happened.' So then you go ... Hey, I have five statements from people who reckon they got TB4, enough corroborative evidence for a cause of action? Your internal lawyers say nup, insufficient to be worth the risk of going in.

Then there is the agency senior management. Some are risk averse, some happy to spend funds on testing a 50/50 case.

Then there is always a point where agency lawyers put their view, but then someone says 'lets invest some dollars in getting this endorsed by co-council - so you send it to the AGS to hire a QC for a further memorandum of advice...

You see the picture. It's messy. And I get a bit fed up with ASADA attackers like Robbo crapping about dragging feet and taxpayer dollars etc. that isn't the way it goes, and investigations don't go slow just for the hell of it.

Anyway - point being, one player saying he was given TB4 would not have ended it in 2014.

One player confessing to using TB4 in early 2013 would have changed this case entirely, especially for them. As it was by Aug 2013 ASADA said they did not have enough info to charge any individual player

 

[Deliverance]

that was one person acting on his own

possibly, but unlikely though IMO. They may have had a change of heart and refused to be part of the investigation entirely

But then wouldn't the AFL have taken action against them for not fulfilling their contracts?

 

[mxett]

But then wouldn't the AFL have taken action against them for not fulfilling their contracts?

no, the supplement program was optional, not mandatory

 

[Proper Gander]

One player confessing to using TB4 in early 2013 would have changed this case entirely, especially for them. As it was by Aug 2013 ASADA said they did not have enough info to charge any individual player

Not so. Confessions rarely go like on TV. As I said - player says I was given TB4. Another guy says - no he didn't get that. He's getting it mixed up etc.

Would have started a positive investigative direction probably, but wouldn't have, of itself, changed the case entirely.

 

[mxett]

Not so. Confessions rarely go like on TV. As I said - player says I was given TB4. Another guy says - no he didn't get that. He's getting it mixed up etc.

Would have started a positive investigative direction probably, but wouldn't have, of itself, changed the case entirely.

so if a player confessed recently as has been suggested by a certain Carlton supporter this will have no affect on the fate of other players?

 

[LoungeLizard]

that was one person acting on his own

possibly, but unlikely though IMO. They may have had a change of heart and refused to be part of the investigation entirely

one person acting on his own? lol
what do we need the roof of the club to open up and words to come frothing forth?

 

[mxett]

one person acting on his own? lol
what do we need the roof of the club to open up and words to come frothing forth?

pretty much yes. Hird was told by the club to take responsibility but refused. Any other examples?

 

[LoungeLizard]

pretty much yes. Hird was told by the club to take responsibility but refused. Any other examples?

lets invite ASADA and the AFL to investigate us hey?
Oh wait that's illegal

 

[mxett]

lets invite ASADA and the AFL to investigate us hey?
Oh wait that's illegal

that's not a simple one. They invited ASADA and cooperated fully, but felt their rights were also trampled on when the AFL joined the investigation and forced players to forgo their right to silence during interviews. I agree it looks like a contradiction but I also think the club didnt believe they would be issued INs and reacted when they found out

 

[Deliverance]

no, the supplement program was optional, not mandatory

Sorry, I meant if they refused to be a part of the investigation.

 

[Proper Gander]

that's not a simple one. They invited ASADA and cooperated fully, but felt their rights were also trampled on when the AFL joined the investigation and forced players to forgo their right to silence during interviews. I agree it looks like a contradiction but I also think the club didnt believe they would be issued INs and reacted when they found out

So we will cheerfully cooperate, oops you found evidence.

No! We didn't cooperate! And my human rights have been violated!

Love it, Essendon

 

[LoungeLizard]

that's not a simple one. They invited ASADA and cooperated fully, but felt their rights were also trampled on when the AFL joined the investigation and forced players to forgo their right to silence during interviews. I agree it looks like a contradiction but I also think the club didnt believe they would be issued INs and reacted when they found out

Did they now, and yet 34 players have IN's and 3 do not, are we sure they fully cooperated?
we have reimers saying one thing, then we have vitamins telling us he was asleep, we have Robinson telling us stories, but he is a liar, we have Dank telling us stories that don't match what the EFC are saying, they were all employed by the EFC at one stage.
Little telling us things that just don't add up like we are confident we will not bo receiving SCN"s yet but behind the scenes he is trying to get them delayed.
But these are all single people acting alone hey?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

but making comments like this to the media wont save his hide, especially without records. They are very empty claims indeed

Clearly.

But Dank clearly has a history of thinking he's smarter than everyone else.

He'd think he has a brilliant way of keeping himself ahead of the game that is too clever for everyone else.

He appears almost delusional in that sense.

that's not a simple one. They invited ASADA and cooperated fully, but felt their rights were also trampled on when the AFL joined the investigation and forced players to forgo their right to silence during interviews. I agree it looks like a contradiction but I also think the club didnt believe they would be issued INs and reacted when they found out

Man, I don't buy that.

I think they freaked out, once they realised the AFL didn't quite have the power they thought they had to get them off.

I reckon other clubs did it.

Essendon knew, and they knew the AFL knew it.

They thought they could slip it through with at worst, a non-public slap on the wrist if they got caught.

And I reckon that's exactly what the AFL would have done if they could have.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

that's not a simple one. They invited ASADA and cooperated fully, but felt their rights were also trampled on when the AFL joined the investigation and forced players to forgo their right to silence during interviews. I agree it looks like a contradiction but I also think the club didnt believe they would be issued INs and reacted when they found out

One of the more astounding parts of this whole saga is grown adults complaining that they were compelled to tell the truth.

And even worse is Essendon supporters pointing it out like it some sort of underhanded activity....

...then when asked what their stance is, they claim that they are just waiting for the truth to come out.

 

[mxett]

Sorry, I meant if they refused to be a part of the investigation.

Ah, and I didnt. In my original comment I meant program, not investigation

So we will cheerfully cooperate, oops you found evidence.

No! We didn't cooperate! And my human rights have been violated!

Love it, Essendon

No, they still did cooperate but genuinely didnt think it would result in a circumstantial case that would eventuate in INs. They then lamented they should have used their ASADA right to silence like Cronulla players did. I also dont discount the liklihood that the AFL tried manage the process and assured Essendon they would be punished as a club but players would avoid bans. But ASADA refused to play ball and Essendon ended up copping both ASADA and AFL charges rather than just AFL's

 

[mxett]

One of the more astounding parts of this whole saga is grown adults complaining that they were compelled to tell the truth.

And even worse is Essendon supporters pointing it out like it some sort of underhanded activity....

...then when asked what their stance is, they claim that they are just waiting for the truth to come out.

Im not, i think they should tell the truth and not avoid bans if they cheated. Im explaining their change of heart, not agreeing with it.

Man, I don't buy that.

I think they freaked out, once they realised the AFL didn't quite have the power they thought they had to get them off.

I reckon other clubs did it.

Essendon knew, and they knew the AFL knew it.

They thought they could slip it through with at worst, a non-public slap on the wrist if they got caught.

And I reckon that's exactly what the AFL would have done if they could have.

quite possibly