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Why doesn't that surprise me .
Nobody wanted to play there .
Would it be in the North then ?.
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Why doesn't that surprise me .
Nobody wanted to play there .
Would it be in the North then ?.
Oh dear.
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If it is, then his username, unexplained, pretty much explains how he got into law.Is your name Brendan Capper-Hawkins?
Azzballz Deluxe
All Australian
Essendon
Collingwood
Carlton (aint going nowhere)
Geelong
Hawthorn
Tasmania Tigers
Canberra Saints
Western Demons (western sydney (bulldogs-demons merger))
Brisbane
Adelaide
Gold Coast (kangaroos)
Sydney
Port Adelaide
West Coast
Fremantle
New Perth (new club) eg
5 Vics, 3 WA, 2 SA, 2 QLD, 2 NSW, 1 ACT, 1 TAS
Same format as present
State of Origin to replace NAB Cup, with 4 week series as follows:
VIC (1st seed) vs QLD (4)
WA (2nd) vs SA (3)
NSW (5) vs ACT (8)
NT (6) vs TAS (7)
Have it like the current Final 8 System
Seeding works by how many players each state has currently playing in AFL
Bit of common-sense, eh?
The aim is to make it more national, the game is as healthy as it has ever been, no need for rediculously drastic measures. (although i do like the sound of the demondogs
)
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Is your name Brendan Capper-Hawkins?
Try and find a name combining three of the dumbest footballers of the past twenty years and see what you come up with.
If you know what I mean.
Ideally the NT, ACT and Tasmania would get a team but the economics are against it unless the state govts funded the teams.
AFL teams need a boatload of corp support and it just doesn't exist in those markets. There's very strong discussion in Rugby circles of the Brumbies moving to Melbourne because they cannot generate the required revenue in Canberra.
So
Essendon TD |
Collingwood MCG | All these teams have huge supporter bases - they stay
Carlton TD |
Richmond MCG |
WCE - New perth stadium - 65 - 70000
Freo -
Adelaide - New Adl stadium 65 - 70000
Port
GC Roos - Carrara - 35000
Brisbane - Gabba
Sydney - SCG
West Syd - Dogs - Olympic Stadium
East Melb Saints - play in red/yellow/blue
Geelong - need to expand stadium or no entry - 25000 too small
26 week season - top 6
Finals
1st week 1 and 2 bye 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 Winners thru to play 1 and 2
2nd week 1 v winner 4 v 5 (afternoon game) and 2 v winner 3 v 6 (night)
3rd week Grand Final (Afternoon)
No pre - season comp ( waste of time)
Mid season break - 1 week no games
TV
4 games FTA - broadcast agreement enforces LIVE coverage
Friday/ Sat /Sunday all sold as separate packages.
3 Games Cable
Finals sold to highest bidder.
AFL supply vision - 20 cameras at each venue. Networks supply director/on air talent/graphics
Other
Lists 45 players + 5 rookies
Salary cap $8.5 million indexed
Free agency after 8 years - current club keeps player if they match $$
trading period starts at end of home and away season and continues to Dec 1
Draft Dec 2
GF mid Oct - MCG
16 week pre-season
6 week holidays for the players
AFL teams need a boatload of corp support and it just doesn't exist in those markets. There's very strong discussion in Rugby circles of the Brumbies moving to Melbourne because they cannot generate the required revenue in Canberra.
So
Essendon TD |
Collingwood MCG | All these teams have huge supporter bases - they stay
Carlton TD |
Richmond MCG |
WCE - New perth stadium - 65 - 70000
Freo -
Adelaide - New Adl stadium 65 - 70000
Port
GC Roos - Carrara - 35000
Brisbane - Gabba
Sydney - SCG
West Syd - Dogs - Olympic Stadium
East Melb Saints - play in red/yellow/blue
Geelong - need to expand stadium or no entry - 25000 too small
26 week season - top 6
Finals
1st week 1 and 2 bye 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 Winners thru to play 1 and 2
2nd week 1 v winner 4 v 5 (afternoon game) and 2 v winner 3 v 6 (night)
3rd week Grand Final (Afternoon)
No pre - season comp ( waste of time)
Mid season break - 1 week no games
TV
4 games FTA - broadcast agreement enforces LIVE coverage
Friday/ Sat /Sunday all sold as separate packages.
3 Games Cable
Finals sold to highest bidder.
AFL supply vision - 20 cameras at each venue. Networks supply director/on air talent/graphics
Other
Lists 45 players + 5 rookies
Salary cap $8.5 million indexed
Free agency after 8 years - current club keeps player if they match $$
trading period starts at end of home and away season and continues to Dec 1
Draft Dec 2
GF mid Oct - MCG
16 week pre-season
6 week holidays for the players
Tarkyn_24
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Ben Gardiner - Brogan?
Daniel Ablett - Didak?
Tarkyn_24
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Simon (Bris) Cousins CoxChris Holland-Didak?
Fraser Lawerence-Voss?
Wayne Kerr-Johnson?
Exe Gesis
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Lol. Where's that dramatic chipmunk video?
Ok, well how about...are you a brilliant young law student then?
Exe Gesis
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Btw, combining three of the dumbest footballer names....
There would be so many funny variations....
Wayne Kerr-Johnson (rockford's work) a perfect example.
There would be so many funny variations....
Wayne Kerr-Johnson (rockford's work) a perfect example.
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Paul Licca Cox.
Exe Gesis
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haha. Im not on the ball enough at the moment to come up with my own, but there'd be plenty just like that.
Exe Gesis
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John C*ock-Chick?
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For all the talk of relocations and mergers perhaps this is the future direction of footy in this country.
In my opinion there is a market and player base to support 24 teams nationally.
The competition would be set up as follows.
The Australian League with 8 teams
The Country and Regional Leagues each with 8 teams.
The Australian League to be broadcast live Nationally on Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon nights on Free to Air. CH 7 9 or 10 whoever pays for the rights.
The ABC to be given the match of the round on Sat, Sun afternoon.
One game from the Country and one game from the Regional.
Foxtel to broadcast the 6 remaining games from the Country and Regional Leagues.
Competition Format.
Each team plays 21 rounds in their League. They have 10 allocated Home games, 10 away games, and one neutral(out of market) game.
After 21 rounds, the top 4 in each League play semi finals, 1 v 4, 2 v3 followed by the winners in the League final.
The winners of the Country League and Regional League finals play and the winner plays the winner of the Australian League in the National Grand Final.
For the next season the sides that finished 7,8 in the Australian League are replaced by the winners of the Country and Regional Leagues.
The make up of the Country/Regional Leagues to be done on H&A standings from previous season to ensure both remain equivalent in standard. ie Country to take the odds, Regional to take the evens.
ANZAC day will see a match between the best players of the Australian League against the best from the Country/Regional Leagues.
There will also be a National Cup knockout competiton. the top four from the previous year's National plus finalists from Ctry/Reg earning a first round bye.
That would equate in total to a 30 week season.
The main benefit of this idea is that it allows all current AFL clubs to remain whilst allowing for new teams in other regions.
There would be 11 finals in total plus Cup final and a side from any of the three leagues can win the National Premiership.
The main viewing market is still free to air and hence the four weekly Australian league matches should be televised nationally.
In order to allow successful clubs the chance for even greater success, the salary cap to be widened to allow 3 players to be paid outside it, and clubs to pay a minmum 75% of the cap each season.
The trade/draft system would be overhauled.
From Jan 1 each club is given a predraft pick to sign any player, contracted/uncontracted prior to the Jan 31 draft. The pre draft pick can also be used in trades. If unused before the draft it takes the place of pick 25, after each clubs first round, but before 2nd round.
All first round picks remain unordered until draft day whereby they are lotteried. Second round picks in order of worst seasonal to highest seasonal on H&A results from previous year.
No father son rule.
No rookie list.
Players not selected in given week to have local league club attachment.
Standard player contracts for all players until they have played fifty games.
By doing this young players serve an apprenticeship in their profession.
Contract types
apprentice for first three years on a list and under 21.
basic for player yet to reach fifty games.
normal for player of fifty games plus.
elite for 3 players per club outside salary cap
The benefit of a system like this is it allows the AFL to govern the direction of the game, but also clubs to manage their playing staff more efficiently.
The AFL would determine the salary cap and basic/apprentice contract wage, yet clubs are still able to pay players market value and above.
Currently there is very little live football on free to air, and by having four games per week the game gets the coverage it deserves.
Plus with a Sat/Sun afternoon game on the ABC, clubs playing the Reg/Ctry Leagues would still get 6 games on average on Ftoair.
If there are clubs in smaller markets getting 15 000 to games that is better than no club in that market.
In 25 years time when the population is greater than current day, the competition framework is in place to cope with that.
And most importantly, the competition is not consistently being marginalised to reward mediocrity and ineptness.
In my opinion there is a market and player base to support 24 teams nationally.
The competition would be set up as follows.
The Australian League with 8 teams
The Country and Regional Leagues each with 8 teams.
The Australian League to be broadcast live Nationally on Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon nights on Free to Air. CH 7 9 or 10 whoever pays for the rights.
The ABC to be given the match of the round on Sat, Sun afternoon.
One game from the Country and one game from the Regional.
Foxtel to broadcast the 6 remaining games from the Country and Regional Leagues.
Competition Format.
Each team plays 21 rounds in their League. They have 10 allocated Home games, 10 away games, and one neutral(out of market) game.
After 21 rounds, the top 4 in each League play semi finals, 1 v 4, 2 v3 followed by the winners in the League final.
The winners of the Country League and Regional League finals play and the winner plays the winner of the Australian League in the National Grand Final.
For the next season the sides that finished 7,8 in the Australian League are replaced by the winners of the Country and Regional Leagues.
The make up of the Country/Regional Leagues to be done on H&A standings from previous season to ensure both remain equivalent in standard. ie Country to take the odds, Regional to take the evens.
ANZAC day will see a match between the best players of the Australian League against the best from the Country/Regional Leagues.
There will also be a National Cup knockout competiton. the top four from the previous year's National plus finalists from Ctry/Reg earning a first round bye.
That would equate in total to a 30 week season.
The main benefit of this idea is that it allows all current AFL clubs to remain whilst allowing for new teams in other regions.
There would be 11 finals in total plus Cup final and a side from any of the three leagues can win the National Premiership.
The main viewing market is still free to air and hence the four weekly Australian league matches should be televised nationally.
In order to allow successful clubs the chance for even greater success, the salary cap to be widened to allow 3 players to be paid outside it, and clubs to pay a minmum 75% of the cap each season.
The trade/draft system would be overhauled.
From Jan 1 each club is given a predraft pick to sign any player, contracted/uncontracted prior to the Jan 31 draft. The pre draft pick can also be used in trades. If unused before the draft it takes the place of pick 25, after each clubs first round, but before 2nd round.
All first round picks remain unordered until draft day whereby they are lotteried. Second round picks in order of worst seasonal to highest seasonal on H&A results from previous year.
No father son rule.
No rookie list.
Players not selected in given week to have local league club attachment.
Standard player contracts for all players until they have played fifty games.
By doing this young players serve an apprenticeship in their profession.
Contract types
apprentice for first three years on a list and under 21.
basic for player yet to reach fifty games.
normal for player of fifty games plus.
elite for 3 players per club outside salary cap
The benefit of a system like this is it allows the AFL to govern the direction of the game, but also clubs to manage their playing staff more efficiently.
The AFL would determine the salary cap and basic/apprentice contract wage, yet clubs are still able to pay players market value and above.
Currently there is very little live football on free to air, and by having four games per week the game gets the coverage it deserves.
Plus with a Sat/Sun afternoon game on the ABC, clubs playing the Reg/Ctry Leagues would still get 6 games on average on Ftoair.
If there are clubs in smaller markets getting 15 000 to games that is better than no club in that market.
In 25 years time when the population is greater than current day, the competition framework is in place to cope with that.
And most importantly, the competition is not consistently being marginalised to reward mediocrity and ineptness.
Daniel Chick-Swallow-Cox
Exe Gesis
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Any model that allows top tier teams to fall into the lower tier will not be acceptable due to the financial and membership implications.
Basically, what you're always going to have is an NFL type conference/divisional set up as the only model that can work like this....for a league in excess of 12 teams (full home and away).
It can be organized in hundreds of different ways, and there's plenty of good ideas i've read and devised, and they all essentially work. The nuts and bolts of how many divs, how many games, finals formats, how to organize a fairer draft, etc etc.
Ie, there's only 12 team league full h&a, or conference/divisional system for a league around 16+ teams.
Basically, what you're always going to have is an NFL type conference/divisional set up as the only model that can work like this....for a league in excess of 12 teams (full home and away).
It can be organized in hundreds of different ways, and there's plenty of good ideas i've read and devised, and they all essentially work. The nuts and bolts of how many divs, how many games, finals formats, how to organize a fairer draft, etc etc.
Ie, there's only 12 team league full h&a, or conference/divisional system for a league around 16+ teams.
Exe Gesis
Kylo was here
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Exe Gesis
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an old school system for instance could be....
The sanfl, vfl, wafl, etc are each a division. But you may have to streamline them to 6 teams for each. Unfortunately, it means mergers and deaths to some great old clubs. And it also means maybe instead of a qafl, nswfl, etc, but an 'allied' group of nsw, qld, act teams.
Tassie would have to be part of the vfl. NT maybe with Sanfl. etc.
That's not anything great, just a quick suggestion.
The sanfl, vfl, wafl, etc are each a division. But you may have to streamline them to 6 teams for each. Unfortunately, it means mergers and deaths to some great old clubs. And it also means maybe instead of a qafl, nswfl, etc, but an 'allied' group of nsw, qld, act teams.
Tassie would have to be part of the vfl. NT maybe with Sanfl. etc.
That's not anything great, just a quick suggestion.
10 VIC Teams
3 WA Teams
3 SA Teams
3 Q Teams
2 NSW Teams
1 ACT Team
1 Tas Team
1 NT Team
= 24 Teams
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Tasmania and the Northern Territory CANNOT sustain an AFL team.
Why do people continue to propose them as prospective club locations?
Why do people continue to propose them as prospective club locations?
Okay if you think they cannot sustain an AFL Team, how come? Don't just say they can't. Give as a reason.Tasmania and the Northern Territory CANNOT sustain an AFL team.
Why do people continue to propose them as prospective club locations?
IMO it's because they've got their whole state/territory to themselves.
Because the competition is nationally based. You should have a team from every state/territory.
Tasmania can definately sustain a team IMO.
Not sure about Northern Territory. All they need is money (which they can get from their council, club, and the AFL) and build a 20-25k stadium that can be extended in the future.
The two teams might not be competitive in their first few years but with a few draft picks and some rookies from their own state/territory i'm sure they can be competitive.
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So because they have a whole state to themselves somehow voids their low populations?
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