A thread on politics- have some balls and post

[Hollow Knight]

Unsurprisingly anti Semites screaming blue murder that anyone would think they're anti semitic is a feature here.

The coupe de grace was whoever said Jews were placed where they were post war because no one else wanted them. After what they'd been through.

Even with the small numbers who managed to get elsewhere they dominated business ,the entertainment and movie business , wrote the American songbook, the classical arts , all from nothing basically.

Anti semiticism is still writ large in Western civilisation in my experience and some of the rest just want to kill them.

Ahh the "it's complex" guy is back again with a stunning lack of complexity.

Let me have a try... "Hey Martinson, just admit you are Islamophobic and want Muslim children to die by the thousands!".

 

[martinson]

Ahh the "it's complex" guy is back again with a stunning lack of complexity.

Let me have a try... "Hey Martinson, just admit you are Islamophobic and want Muslim children to die by the thousands!".

I don't get the correlation.

Of course what I said wasn't complex.

It's self evident.

You've gone a bit over the top there.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I don't get the correlation.

That much is evident.

Here endeth the lesson.

 

[martinson]

That much is evident.

Here endeth the lesson.

For me too.

You're perfectly entitled to your view .

But no one's been given any lesson. Nor should they think they've given one.

 

[Hollow Knight]

For me too.

You're perfectly entitled to your view .

But no one's been given any lesson. Nor should they think they've given one.

Some people have talked about the issues in terms of the context and needs/rights of both groups.

Others have taken an utterly one-sided perspective while ironically and condescendingly implying that have a unique appreciation for the "complexities" involved. Then when pressed on said complexities, instead of engaging, those people immediately fell back into unserious and unsupported ad-hominem rhetoric such as accusing people of being "anti-Semitic". Not all views are created equal.

Israel ≠ Judaism
Judaism ≠ Israel

 

[martinson]

Some people have talked about the issues in terms of the context and needs/rights of both groups.

Others have taken an utterly one-sided perspective while ironically and condescendingly implying that have a unique appreciation for the "complexities" involved. Not all views are created equal.

Well here's the thing . I believe you've taken a one sided perspective.

With due respect to the propositions you put up, noble and all as they were , there's no hope of the Arabs on the other side of this conflict agreeing to any of that , it's been tried for decades. And they're crucial in the Middle Eastern conflict.

Everyone wants to see this end. I want to see this end for the sake of both sides and the unending suffering. I'm sorry if you think I condescendingly implied anything . I didn't intend to be condescending to anyone. But it's not an unusual perspective. It's one that's been taken by the left side of politics in the US for the last several years.

 

[M Malice]

There will be no more arguments to have when the evil Orange man takes charge on Jan 20th and ends all wars that we in the west care about within 24 hours.

 

[martinson]

There will be no more arguments to have when the evil Orange man takes charge on Jan 20th and ends all wars that we in the west care about within 24 hours.

Well Ukraine will end one way or the other in the foreseeable future I believe.

If Donald solves the Middle Eastern issue the burning question is will they give him the Nobel Prize.

I think he's got more hope of the former than the latter.

i.e . very little and none.

We've already had Nobel's handed out for outcomes that actually worsened situations over time. It all depends on perspective doesn't it.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Unsurprisingly anti Semites screaming blue murder that anyone would think they're anti semitic is a feature here.

The coupe de grace was whoever said Jews were placed where they were post war because no one else wanted them. After what they'd been through.

Even with the small numbers who managed to get elsewhere they dominated business ,the entertainment and movie business , wrote the American songbook, the classical arts , all from nothing basically.

Anti semiticism is still writ large in Western civilisation in my experience and some of the rest just want to kill them.

wtf

 

[dlanod]

If Donald solves the Middle Eastern issue the burning question is will they give him the Nobel Prize.

I think he's got more hope of the former than the latter

He could turn it all to glass and call it peace...

But fairs fair, tongue in cheek aside he's pretty consistently isolationist so the more likely situation is outright war by whichever party sees a winning and achievable posture.

 

[Elixuh]

Well here's the thing . I believe you've taken a one sided perspective.

With due respect to the propositions you put up, noble and all as they were , there's no hope of the Arabs on the other side of this conflict agreeing to any of that , it's been tried for decades. And they're crucial in the Middle Eastern conflict.

Everyone wants to see this end. I want to see this end for the sake of both sides and the unending suffering. I'm sorry if you think I condescendingly implied anything . I didn't intend to be condescending to anyone. But it's not an unusual perspective. It's one that's been taken by the left side of politics in the US for the last several years.

When you say ending the unending suffering I assume you mean you’re supportive of the Palestinians being wiped away by Israel. The left side of politics, ie the current US government, which you refer to, has facilitated this and done nothing to stop it. From reading and listening to various commentators, behind the scenes the US is obviously furious at Israel but they’ve formed such a weird relationship with Israel that it’s really problematic for them.

 

[martinson]

He could turn it all to glass and call it peace...

But fairs fair, tongue in cheek aside he's pretty consistently isolationist so the more likely situation is outright war by whichever party sees a winning and achievable posture.

Donald's isolationist and not a warmonger unlike his predecessors who were the opposite.

What this means for the Middle East who knows and the unknown is that he could turn on a dime re his approach.

 

[martinson]

When you say ending the unending suffering I assume you mean you’re supportive of the Palestinians being wiped away by Israel. The left side of politics, ie the current US government, which you refer to, has facilitated this and done nothing to stop it. From reading and listening to various commentators, behind the scenes the US is obviously furious at Israel but they’ve formed such a weird relationship with Israel that it’s really problematic for them.

I don't know why you'd assume that. I've never said that at all. And if I inferred it well of course that wasn't what I intended.

If the Dems had've gotten back in the pressure would've been intense for a more pro active role in facilitating a negotiated peace of some sort.

Who knows what Trump will do but he could probably see some glory points in it for himself if he's able to lessen the violence.