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Kildonan said:
I think the point here is that the choice of photo used is offensive to us at St Kilda. We have the sense to see that a picture on a website with either Lockett standing over Caven or O'Dea standing over Greening would be offensive to the victims' respective clubs.

We hope that it isn't a deliberate act (to choose that particular photo because of the act it depicts). We're not assuming it is, we simply are offended by that choice. We would hope that Gary could spend some time going through more pics to find one of himself looking Jesus-like without a bloodied carcass at his feet. Surely that is not how he wishes to be remembered: as a cheating thug. He was such a skilfull player.
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That's exactly what your OP is saying Kildonan.

He's not standing over anyone in the photo on that website. If it wasn't for this thread alerting you to this non-issue I have no doubt none of you would have even thought to be offended.
 
Considering I wrote the OP, allow me to clarify.

I didn't think it was intentional, but an example of the mindlessness, classless thing that is typical of the Ablett family. I'm sure they saw what the photo was, but they just didn't care. Not put on there to annoy St Kilda supporters, just put on there. They didn't care it annoyed St Kilda supporters.

We would care.
 

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I haven't been on this site for long but what I have noticed in my short time here is that there is a lot of respect shown for good players from other teams & a lot of goodhearted banter between fans from other clubs also. This is not always the case but more common than not.

But ... there seems to be a general feeling here on the St Kilda forum that corresponds very much with my own. When you mention Gary Ablett Jr or Sr. Great footy players but a poor excuses for human beings.
 
LongBomb said:
Right.

And he broke your heart on Grand Final day?
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Nah it was Chapman cheating with his banned injections and the arse of a toe poke from Scarlett. They hurt. One on the day and Chapman's later on to really rub our noses in it.
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LongBomb said:
Right.

And he broke your heart on Grand Final day?
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Yeah, I was shattered on grand final day just like any passionate supporter would be when their team loses. But it wasn't Ablett that broke my heart, as you put it, is was our own team performance. We lost it you didn't win it

You can continue to idolize your demi god Ablett all you want but I can't help but wonder how you are going to feel next year when the mercenary prick moves to the Gold Coast?
 
jimmy.h said:
Won more flags in his career than the Saints in 100+ years trying?
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By your logic, Ablett Snr is a lesser person as he didn't play in a premiership team?

If you wish to keep the thread going with inane comments, can you give us your best shot? (your first attempt was pretty lame)
 
Kildonan said:
I think the point here is that the choice of photo used is offensive to us at St Kilda. We have the sense to see that a picture on a website with either Lockett standing over Caven or O'Dea standing over Greening would be offensive to the victims' respective clubs.

We hope that it isn't a deliberate act (to choose that particular photo because of the act it depicts). We're not assuming it is, we simply are offended by that choice. We would hope that Gary could spend some time going through more pics to find one of himself looking Jesus-like without a bloodied carcass at his feet. Surely that is not how he wishes to be remembered: as a cheating thug. He was such a skilfull player.

Do yourself a favour Gary, and spend some time on it. Pick a better pic and all is good.
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I'm in total agreement with this, sums it up perfectly.

It's also a bit over the top to talk about the "Ablett family"... it's the 2 players that have presumably signed off what a marketing group put together.
 
Guys, I can understand you being upset at this pic.

But there is one thing we probably should remember in all this.

When Gary Snr was reported - and guilty - he'd plead guilty at the tribunal.

Now yes, he may well have deliberately put that pic on the website. Why? Just maybe, for some reason he feels that was the single-most unjust decision HE feels HE ever inccurred.

Were you or I involved in that split-second incident? No. What you and I saw is completely different to how Gary Ablett Snr might recall it playing out, or how it may have looked.

Just a thought.
 

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GARY JNR said:
Guys, I can understand you being upset at this pic.

But there is one thing we probably should remember in all this.

When Gary Snr was reported - and guilty - he'd plead guilty at the tribunal.

Now yes, he may well have deliberately put that pic on the website. Why? Just maybe, for some reason he feels that was the single-most unjust decision HE feels HE ever inccurred.

Were you or I involved in that split-second incident? No. What you and I saw is completely different to how Gary Ablett Snr might recall it playing out, or how it may have looked.

Just a thought.
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I distance myself from this post.
 
candiehappy said:
I distance myself from this post.
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candieman - you are gaining more cred with each post (which also gives me another chance to see your signature and have a laugh).
 
Squizzy1970 said:
They would have had to edit Bardsley out of the picture!!!

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Ablett was very stiff to get any weeks for that i ncident. He was clearly focussed on the ball, and Bardsley's tackle was ridiculous. Ask him. Ablett always said when he was guilty, even when not caught, and this incident was aggravated by the blood over Bardsley. Ablett was in front of Bardsley and had no idea the guy was that vertically challenged.

If you go back to the records of the previous games, Bardsley copped some other blows due to ridiculous tackles, none as bloody as this one, and said himself he'd have to improve his tackling.
 
The Punter said:
How many photos do you reckon there are of Ablett Snr playing football? About a kroijugfopiweutillion. And they choose this one.

Imagine if St Kilda chose to put the picture of a rather sheepish Jim O'Dea standing over the unconcious body of John Greening on the St Kilda Hall of Fame website page dedicated to O'Dea? Eddie may actually invade Fitzroy St.

It's called class. This particular strain of the Ablett family has none of it.
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RIDICULOUS analogy. O'Dea's action was totally intentional, off the play, and an attempt to stop a brilliant player, yes a Pie, possibly THE best player in the comp. at the time. Ablett's incident with Bardsley was controversial because he protested his innocence and never did that unless he was innocent in his opinion. I was there, and Bardsley instigated any contact made. Ablett was no saint, pardon the pun, but in this instance, many of us were seething at the severity of what seemed to be a penalty given to the most dangerous player in the AFL at the time, while he had the ball.
 
Would the reaction of the people who support the club for which the player who was struck be similar, be it Caven, Bardsley or Greening? Probably (although Collingwood supporters tend to blow us all out of the water with their outrage).

Therefore they should have known better.
 
candiehappy said:
I distance myself from this post.
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Sorry, Candie, there is some substance to that post that you are trying to distance yourself from. Anyway, from St.Kilda's viewpoint, I agree, there could have been any picture in Ablett's career that they chose. But they didn't and there must be a reason, and yes, he felt totally wronged by that decision. I have his book chronicling his career, and he dedicates a few pages to this incident, certainly protesting his innocence in this case, backed up by his repeated previous over the top honesty.
 
VEEDUBS said:
Ablett was very stiff to get any weeks for that incident. Ridiculous.

He was clearly focussed on the ball. Ablett's own comment "I put the ball under my right arm and put out my left forearm up at chest height to brush off the tackle,"

Bardsley's tackle was ridiculous. Your whole post is ridiculous.

Ablett always said when he was guilty, even when not caught, and this incident was aggravated by the blood over Bardsley. Ablett was in front of Bardsley and had no idea the guy was that vertically challenged. In the same St Kilda team were Nathan Burke, Luke Beveridge, Austinn Jones and Steven Sziller (hardly giants in physical stature). Pathetic comment by Ablett, but at least he said it without thinking (I guess you are using the same excuse).

If you go back to the records of the previous games, Bardsley copped some other blows due to ridiculous tackles, none as bloody as this one, and said himself he'd have to improve his tackling. Wow - I followed the Saints pretty closely back then and never heard any comment to this effect. Some other blows due to ridiculous tackles? Amazing memory you have (but maybe it's preferable to pull comments from your brain rather than your arse).
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Whilst the Herald Sun said it was one of the worst incidents of all time, The Age also had a take on it:

http://www.gavel.com.au/gavel-articles/1996/4/13/trotting-out-an-old-chestnut/

Yes, the old trial-by-media chestnut got a real going over, from the time that elapsed between the Gary Ablett-Kristian Bardsley incident last Saturday afternoon and Geelong coach Gary Ayres asking assembled reporters whether they were going to make something of it, to the predictable aftermath of Ablett's five-game suspension, threats of court challenges, etc.

Well, sorry folks, but what a load of codswallop.

Our accompanying story said that Geelong was "anxiously awaiting the results of the umpires' video review". I don't think that really can be interpreted as "Ablett belts innocent victim", can it? Would anyone who saw the incident on replay that night really believe that there wasn't even a possibility the champion wouldn't have been charged, and the Cats wouldn't have been just the slightest bit worried?

And the blood? Well, Bardsley received a serious, painful and quite unusual injury. How do the critics suggest we should have illustrated it? A smiling portrait kept on file?
 
I assume they used that photo because it clearly displays Ablett's famous guernsey and number, which became an icon in Geelong and of the game itself, and because there are probably few other (colour) photos in existence that do likewise.
 
SJ said:
I assume they used that photo because it clearly displays Ablett's famous guernsey and number, which became an icon in Geelong and of the game itself, and because there are probably few other (colour) photos in existence that do likewise.
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Poppycock. He was a megastar, always being written up in the media (despite his own reticence), so there would be thousands of photos of him. I'm sure at least a handful would have shown his number in colour, in addition to the one they chose to use.
 
SJ said:
I assume they used that photo because it clearly displays Ablett's famous guernsey and number, which became an icon in Geelong and of the game itself, and because there are probably few other (colour) photos in existence that do likewise.
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More iconic than an image from the '89 GF? (sourced after about 33 seconds)

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The Punter said:
Poppycock. He was a megastar, always being written up in the media (despite his own reticence), so there would be thousands of photos of him. I'm sure at least a handful would have shown his number in colour, in addition to the one they chose to use.
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Maybe not from a collection they had access to. Maybe they only had rights to a certain company or photographer.

The number showing clearly on the back towards the camera would be a rare shot.

You don't really think they chose it because he had just smashed someone do you?
 

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