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Vagabond0 said:
Most likely, but ultimately nothing stopping Koch from holding CD responsible for his endorsement as well.

Is anyone doing any due diligence and reflecting on the decisions they have and haven't made over the years. I can't think of any significant changes that makes me think they've taken corrective steps since Voss for Walsh.

The whole reason I finally walked away was the zero response to the 21 PF debacle. No changes, just more of the same and promoting from within. Do they even bother to look at the quality of the assistants Choco had at his disposal in 2004?
I finally came to the opinion that supporting the current administration was doing more harm than good.

If CD came to me with an endorsement of keeping the current approach, first thing I'd ask is what other options have you considered and why you're proposing more of the same will bring about anything different to the last 10 years.

We all know we're talking about a coach who won 3 finals in his first 2 years. 2014 a kick away from potential flag.

Who then goes on to miss finals 5 of the next 9 years and only coach two winning finals in 4 finals series.

So if it's not coaching, it's either development or list management. Not hard to ask the questions.
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Koch knows nothing about football so he cedes to CD.

CD knows nothing about football so he cedes to Ken.

I have a half written blog called Account Ability. Might be time to finish it this weekend.

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Anyone had a chance to see the Amazon documentary on Man United’s treble-winning team, “99”?

Throughout, there are fresh and historical interviews with Fergie, Beckham, Scholes, Butt, the Neville brothers, Keane, Giggs, Sheringham and co, who say things like (paraphrasing on memory):

• “I wanted to live up to the history of this club”

• “we wanted to recreate the Matt Busby era”

• “we were brought up for big moments like that. this is what Manchester United is all about”

• “it’s always been my dream to play in a Cup final”

• “I’m missing one game [through suspension], of course I’m disappointed, but I’m one man. The club is bigger than me.”

• “some people distance themselves from those who came before them. I don’t. I like being compared to legends of the past”

• “at 18/19 he found out I was going out drinking a fair bit with my mates. he rang my dad about it. dad said, ‘he’s just a young lad, that’s ok isn’t it?’. the gaffer said no. so I moved away and I haven’t seen a lot of those guys since”

• “there was almost a feeling that if we didn’t complete the Treble the season would be considered a failure”

• “we’re gonna go to Barcelona and win [the Champions League final, without the suspended Keane and Scholes]”

Contrast to today’s Port Adelaide.

• “it’s not the SANFL anymore”

• “you can’t make a Grand Final every year”

• “is ‘We Exist To Win Premierships and The Creed’ still relevant?”

• “the supporters don’t understand how hard it is”

• “the supporters’ expectations don’t help”

• “At 11-4 Ken was a superhero”

• “it was still a successful year in terms of win/loss”

• “finals are scary”

• “we’re learning and we’ve got some learning to do, and we’re still learning”

It’s genuinely staggering how cheerfully we are p¡ssing away the unique culture and achievements that made this club great.
 
tribey said:
“some people distance themselves from those who came before them. I don’t. I like being compared to legends of the past”
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Oh boy, this one's a doozy.

Ken's reluctance to engage with anyone from the club's successful past is a glaring indication of his inferiority complex and immaturity. He's destined to fail, almost like it's the self-fulfilling prophecy of his sub-conscious thoughts.
 
tribey said:
Anyone had a chance to see the Amazon documentary on Man United’s treble-winning team, “99”?

Throughout, there are fresh and historical interviews with Fergie, Beckham, Scholes, Butt, the Neville brothers, Keane, Giggs, Sheringham and co, who say things like (paraphrasing on memory):

• “I wanted to live up to the history of this club”

• “we wanted to recreate the Matt Busby era”

• “we were brought up for big moments like that. this is what Manchester United is all about”

• “it’s always been my dream to play in a Cup final”

• “I’m missing one game [through suspension], of course I’m disappointed, but I’m one man. The club is bigger than me.”

• “some people distance themselves from those who came before them. I don’t. I like being compared to legends of the past”

• “at 18/19 he found out I was going out drinking a fair bit with my mates. he rang my dad about it. dad said, ‘he’s just a young lad, that’s ok isn’t it?’. the gaffer said no. so I moved away and I haven’t seen a lot of those guys since”

• “there was almost a feeling that if we didn’t complete the Treble the season would be considered a failure”

• “we’re gonna go to Barcelona and win [the Champions League final, without the suspended Keane and Scholes]”

Contrast to today’s Port Adelaide.

• “it’s not the SANFL anymore”

• “you can’t make a Grand Final every year”

• “is ‘We Exist To Win Premierships and The Creed’ still relevant?”

• “the supporters don’t understand how hard it is”

• “the supporters’ expectations don’t help”

• “At 11-4 Ken was a superhero”

• “it was still a successful year in terms of win/loss”

• “finals are scary”

• “we’re learning and we’ve got some learning to do, and we’re still learning”

It’s genuinely staggering how cheerfully we are p¡ssing away the unique culture and achievements that made this club great.
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Brilliant and true.
 
El_Scorcho said:
Accountability will never exist until the members can vote out the board. Until then we're relying on the good graces of whoever the AFL has appointed to chair the club. That person won't automatically be as bad as Koch, but they'll never operate at maximum level without the threat of a board spill.
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WGT is our only hope.
 
chachi11 said:
Accountability starts from the top. Koch and co have created this "new" Port Adelaide which is unrecognisable to most of us.
Zero accountability when it comes to on field performance, it's all about memberships and sponsors and "making our community proud" schtick.
You know what makes the Port Adelaide community proud David? Winning flags!
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What is this madness of which you speak? What about the 13 wins in a row? 🥴
 
Come on we have the 13 in the row trophy and should give Hinkley Coach of the Year Medal as well! Trophies galore these days in the AFL, trophies for each match day celebration as well. Who needs the GF anyway.
 

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tribey said:
Anyone had a chance to see the Amazon documentary on Man United’s treble-winning team, “99”?

Throughout, there are fresh and historical interviews with Fergie, Beckham, Scholes, Butt, the Neville brothers, Keane, Giggs, Sheringham and co, who say things like (paraphrasing on memory):

• “I wanted to live up to the history of this club”

• “we wanted to recreate the Matt Busby era”

• “we were brought up for big moments like that. this is what Manchester United is all about”

• “it’s always been my dream to play in a Cup final”

• “I’m missing one game [through suspension], of course I’m disappointed, but I’m one man. The club is bigger than me.”

• “some people distance themselves from those who came before them. I don’t. I like being compared to legends of the past”

• “at 18/19 he found out I was going out drinking a fair bit with my mates. he rang my dad about it. dad said, ‘he’s just a young lad, that’s ok isn’t it?’. the gaffer said no. so I moved away and I haven’t seen a lot of those guys since”

• “there was almost a feeling that if we didn’t complete the Treble the season would be considered a failure”

• “we’re gonna go to Barcelona and win [the Champions League final, without the suspended Keane and Scholes]”

Contrast to today’s Port Adelaide.

• “it’s not the SANFL anymore”

• “you can’t make a Grand Final every year”

• “is ‘We Exist To Win Premierships and The Creed’ still relevant?”

• “the supporters don’t understand how hard it is”

• “the supporters’ expectations don’t help”

• “At 11-4 Ken was a superhero”

• “it was still a successful year in terms of win/loss”

• “finals are scary”

• “we’re learning and we’ve got some learning to do, and we’re still learning”

It’s genuinely staggering how cheerfully we are p¡ssing away the unique culture and achievements that made this club great.
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We had players like that 30 years ago as well, ironically Man United are now replicating Port Adelaide
 
Ford Fairlane said:
I watched Hinkley's press conference and he places us among a group of teams faffing around for a mid 8 finish. That's his ambition with all the recruiting we've done for missing pieces. No accountability, apparently if you're a bit better than :poo: - #winning.
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That's because he's afraid of aiming any higher. Aren't you aware that it's a tough competition?
 
PA88 said:
Extending and re-extending and re re-extending Hinkley is well within the realm of irresponsibility and bordering on negligence. Hiring Hartlett, a player that has overall had no success as a player and no coaching experience, to manage an all sorts reserves squad that has been spiralling since Covid and now clouded by the prospect of exiting the sanfl, is definitely negligence.

Yet, a significant club official believes that we're on the right track. What the f_ _k!!!!
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The only thing we're in track for is our first ever 20 year premiership drought, and if nothing changes, that will soon become 30 years.
 

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