The guy has a richmond and a collingwood fan working for him, hes a richmond fan himself. The collingwood fan is the slacker, bur when he challenges him, the guy claims its because he hates collingwood
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The guy has a richmond and a collingwood fan working for him, hes a richmond fan himself. The collingwood fan is the slacker, bur when he challenges him, the guy claims its because he hates collingwood
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It just totally went against every other media figure. He'll probably get sacked, but he just questioned those that accuse every booer of being racist. He didn't agree surprisingly.
Hopefully it can be heard as a counterpoint, but the media will hoist him onto the cross for it.
Ray martin, I think, listed the redneck media types in his words, and went the man on some if them
This is a goldmine for every comments person out there, and theyre milking it for all its worth.
I think I heard jesinta say "thanks to adam, my kids will be aboriginal" o really, what did he do ?
It wouldnt surprise me if buddy and goodsey couldnt stand the sight of each other
This is a goldmine for every comments person out there, and theyre milking it for all its worth.
I think I heard jesinta say "thanks to adam, my kids will be aboriginal" o really, what did he do ?
It wouldnt surprise me if buddy and goodsey couldnt stand the sight of each other
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I know that's one of the lines being pushed. And I find it way too simplistic - especially when its brought to life with the SEN example - almost absurd.
The Goodes situation is way more complex and entwined than some fictional metaphor an SEN listener brought up contextualise the Goodes thing.
Oh, and I worked in South Africa for a bit. I totally get locking the car discretely with one's elbow.
Fairfax: buy our paper and take this poster to the footy
highly principled or selling papers ?
This stuff usually gets given out at the ground
highly principled or selling papers ?
This stuff usually gets given out at the ground
This is just getting ridiculous now
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I have booed Adam Goodes, but I have never booed him or any other player because of the colour of their skin, nor would I ever.
I will boo a player for an incident that has occurred in a game and if it is bad enough I will boo them for the whole game, as most supporters do, I will boo players like Buddy Franklin who left our club, I will boo the umpires. Booing is a part of football.
How is the booing of Adam Goodes any different to the booing of any other player, how is it different from the amount of booing Sam Mitchell has received this year from opposition fans? Or that the umpires cop week in week out? If Sam Mitchell came out and said that the booing from crowds had affected him in some way I doubt this kind of action would have occurred, no one would be calling a race card then. Racism does not just exisit in people of colour the very fact that a white player can be booed for their actions but a player of colour cannot be to me is racist in itself. Goodes is no differnt from any other player in the league and like any other player he is not liked by all, most players will be booed at some stage pulling the race card out only creates a level of separation.
Now I am not saying that any player should be called an ape or be told to go back to the zoo, such comments as those are not ok and should be dealt with harshly, but booing is not racisit is happens to all players in he game no matter their colour even more so if they have done something to bring about a reaction.
I am completely in awe about how far this has gone in the media, and I simply can't understand how it can be ok for every other player to get booed for whatever reason and those players deal with it and do not get the level of attention that this has received.
I will boo a player for an incident that has occurred in a game and if it is bad enough I will boo them for the whole game, as most supporters do, I will boo players like Buddy Franklin who left our club, I will boo the umpires. Booing is a part of football.
How is the booing of Adam Goodes any different to the booing of any other player, how is it different from the amount of booing Sam Mitchell has received this year from opposition fans? Or that the umpires cop week in week out? If Sam Mitchell came out and said that the booing from crowds had affected him in some way I doubt this kind of action would have occurred, no one would be calling a race card then. Racism does not just exisit in people of colour the very fact that a white player can be booed for their actions but a player of colour cannot be to me is racist in itself. Goodes is no differnt from any other player in the league and like any other player he is not liked by all, most players will be booed at some stage pulling the race card out only creates a level of separation.
Now I am not saying that any player should be called an ape or be told to go back to the zoo, such comments as those are not ok and should be dealt with harshly, but booing is not racisit is happens to all players in he game no matter their colour even more so if they have done something to bring about a reaction.
I am completely in awe about how far this has gone in the media, and I simply can't understand how it can be ok for every other player to get booed for whatever reason and those players deal with it and do not get the level of attention that this has received.
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I think booing is a non-negotiable. People are always going to boo, you can't change that.
Goodes has perceived this booing as racist, where some people are booing because he gets away with stuff that other players don't, or they don't think he was a worthy recipient of AOTY, or they try and put him off his game.
It comes down to a case of your word against mine and Goodes will win that every time.
Ultimately, the act of booing is immature and childish. To see a grown adult boo is embarrassing to say the least.
Goodes has perceived this booing as racist, where some people are booing because he gets away with stuff that other players don't, or they don't think he was a worthy recipient of AOTY, or they try and put him off his game.
It comes down to a case of your word against mine and Goodes will win that every time.
Ultimately, the act of booing is immature and childish. To see a grown adult boo is embarrassing to say the least.
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it has proceeded to escalate like any conflict. and as it has, the bigger and bigger emotional weapons have come out. the pro-goodes side has deployed increasingly more damaging and emotional rhetoric, playing all the emotional appeals one by one, to the point where some are now discussing the first settlers and conditions of impoverished aborigines. in order to appear to not be hypocritical and internally consistent they must dismiss all similar cases of booing or abuse/non-abuse with distinctions of little difference to the point where the adam goodes case stands alone, special, and unprecedented. put enough qualifiers on any issue and you can consider it 'unique'.
the stupid part is that if you wanted to you could steer ANY conversation about aborigines to ensure it ended up here, ANY conversation at all. just like any conversation about jewish people could end up at the holocaust. gypsies, likewise. people keep claiming 'the conversation' is about this or that. 'the conversation' isn't a singular thing. people will find a way to make it about anything they bloody well want. "oh you support the booing? so do you think the stolen generation was ok too?" is the reetarded level we are at. it's just a giant clusterf**k of emotional rhetoric and logical fallacies. ad homenims, fallacies of association, appeals to emotion, appeals to ignorance, appeal to (unqualified) authority, false dilemma. they are all there.
it's so ridiculously overblown. there are enough people in the crowd that don't like adam goodes to make an audible chorus of boos. i don't know whether that's 1000, 2000, 5000, or other, but i'd be floored if it's a majority. so this sook is upset because some (vocal) amount of people, who are likely a minority, don't like him, or just want to boo him to put him or the swans off their game? he's upset because not a big enough majority like him? goodsey can't understand why not enough people don't like him in a competitive, winner-takes-all arena?
How else do we distract opponents from kicking at goal ??? Waving those gigantic pom poms LOL.
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by what 'ultimate' standard do you measure whether something is 'immature' or 'childish'?
how does dressing up in colours and cheering a bunch of muscled up men kicking a animal skin filled with air qualify as mature? what part of 'footy' is mature?
if a (mostly) sensible adult does something, is it not, by definition, a 'mature' thing to do?
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Dressing up in colours and cheering a bunch of muscled up men can be seen as enjoying a hobby if carried out properly. People are clearly going to have different interpretations of what 'properly' means. If that includes booing, then so be it. Just my opinion is that booing is pointless at the end of the day.
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No one batted an eyelid at booing in the past and now all of a sudden it's childish, not a good look etc. As I've said before the whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Goodes, the media, the AFL etc. who are now so outraged have completely backed themselves into a corner by saying the booing has to stop because it's racist. What if it doesn't stop? Where do they go then? A suggestion I have is to apologise to the fans and say we realise we have over exaggerated all this and we won't mention it again. The booing will then gradually cease I believe. Or they can continue the path they are on and continue to alienate fans. Seriously, if Hawthorn weren't going so well I would probably given up on the AFL some time ago with all the crap they go on with. If only they would just concentrate on footy!
Just on the racism last night
I've contacted the club, & josh (via Instagram)
Am amazed that given the talk this week re:racism in the stands, that a low life would say such a thing in the manner he did
Am contemplating not renewing my membership next year, as a way to avoid my future inlaws (and children) from having to deal with that (they are Indian and Fijian)
What makes it worse, it was in our members area, and when I spoke to the police, they said "it's not the same" as the racism the media were on about during the week
I've contacted the club, & josh (via Instagram)
Am amazed that given the talk this week re:racism in the stands, that a low life would say such a thing in the manner he did
Am contemplating not renewing my membership next year, as a way to avoid my future inlaws (and children) from having to deal with that (they are Indian and Fijian)
What makes it worse, it was in our members area, and when I spoke to the police, they said "it's not the same" as the racism the media were on about during the week
Rightio then.
No. Just no.
I heard a guy on radio yesterday who made a lot of sense. He was an anthropologist, or some such, who had made a study of racism.
As he put it, racism is just one small facet of our otherwise healthy suspicion of strangers. As humans evolved it was important to differentiate "them" from "us". Competing tribes might steal your food, capture your mates or try to kill you, so knowing who your friends were had survival value.
As society has evolved into large multicultural melting pots we've maintained vestiges of this "them" and "us" mentality. It's a natural part of being human, even although it's not so important as it used to be. We would not be human if we weren't, in some small way, a little bit racist (or more correctly, "different-ist"). That being said, we all have a duty to put our natural instincts aside and make our society equal and fair for everyone.
Football is one of the few areas in modern society where tribalism and difference is actually celebrated. We love our brown and gold colleagues and shun tribes who gather under different colours. We jump in to defend our players even if they've done something wrong and we roar our disapproval at anyone in different colours who threatens "our boys", our tribe.
This is what a lot of media commentators have so gravely misunderstood about this whole fiasco. Our game is based on tribal affiliations. The idea of "them" and "us" is central to enjoying the sport as a spectator and as a player. Colour is important to us, and we happily admit to having a colour prejudice: We love our club colours and hate anyone else's. Sure, there might be some people who boo because of skin colour rather than club colour, but I personally think they are a tiny minority.
This morning The Age had a wrap-around photo of Adam Goodes with the headline "It's Black and White". For me that's a gross misreading of the driving force behind the boos. The booing is no doubt childish, irrational and ill thought through, and maybe even meant to be intimidating. I personally haven't indulged, but for me it's not black and white, it's red and white.
As he put it, racism is just one small facet of our otherwise healthy suspicion of strangers. As humans evolved it was important to differentiate "them" from "us". Competing tribes might steal your food, capture your mates or try to kill you, so knowing who your friends were had survival value.
As society has evolved into large multicultural melting pots we've maintained vestiges of this "them" and "us" mentality. It's a natural part of being human, even although it's not so important as it used to be. We would not be human if we weren't, in some small way, a little bit racist (or more correctly, "different-ist"). That being said, we all have a duty to put our natural instincts aside and make our society equal and fair for everyone.
Football is one of the few areas in modern society where tribalism and difference is actually celebrated. We love our brown and gold colleagues and shun tribes who gather under different colours. We jump in to defend our players even if they've done something wrong and we roar our disapproval at anyone in different colours who threatens "our boys", our tribe.
This is what a lot of media commentators have so gravely misunderstood about this whole fiasco. Our game is based on tribal affiliations. The idea of "them" and "us" is central to enjoying the sport as a spectator and as a player. Colour is important to us, and we happily admit to having a colour prejudice: We love our club colours and hate anyone else's. Sure, there might be some people who boo because of skin colour rather than club colour, but I personally think they are a tiny minority.
This morning The Age had a wrap-around photo of Adam Goodes with the headline "It's Black and White". For me that's a gross misreading of the driving force behind the boos. The booing is no doubt childish, irrational and ill thought through, and maybe even meant to be intimidating. I personally haven't indulged, but for me it's not black and white, it's red and white.
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none of that establishes a 'standard' of any kind.
all i was doing was just asking rhetorical questions hoping you'd see everything of this nature is just subjective opinion and nothing more. ask some philosophers about what is 'pointless' at the end of the day. 'everything' could well be the answer!
But that's the whole point - it is up to the person being treated that way. Sorry you don't get to decide if someone finds something offensive themselves on not.
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