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[arupist]

What nonsense. She called him an ape.

Should Goodes and the other indigenous players just put up with it when the crowds start throwing bananas at them (which has happened to African soccer players in Europe)? Or are you saying they only have to put up with it when the person throwing the banana is under some arbitrary age, decided by you?

If my 11 year old son had done what the teenage girl had done, I would be happy for him to cop the consequences. That's how people learn.

Goodes is being picked on because he won't be silent about entrenched racism and indigenous disadvantage. The crowds are trying to bully him into submission, so that he stops reminding Australia about this unfinished business.

If the booing crowds succeed in forcing Goodes into retirement, the message to our indigenous players is "We love you as entertainers, but never forget that you are sub-human, so if we choose to call you an ape, we are allowed to do so, and we will destroy you if you ever complain about it, or if you ever complain about the status of your people. As far as we are concerned the fate of your people is because you are lazy and hopeless, it is in no way connected to our ancient theft of your land and all that followed, so we bear no responsibility for fixing that injustice."

If you want to make a point and have people agree with it, how about you try to make it believable. I see what you are trying to say, but that last paragraph is utter tripe.

 

[The_Axeman]

Guy on SEN rang up and said he has 2 guys working for him. 1 is black and 1 is white. The white guy is a good worker the black guy isnt.

Whenever he pulls the black guy up on his poor work, he claims that it is just racism.

The opinion of the SEN people was that as long as the black guy thinks its racism then it is.

Is this really where we are heading ?

Yep, that is exactly where we are at now. Legitimately criticising anyone has become dangerous because of the PC/do-gooder/lefty brigade who will instantly label you with some sort of 'ism' or 'phobia'. We can't even have reasoned debates about real issues like racism, asylum seekers etc. anymore because the above mentioned types that make up the victim industry will squeal and cry and label anyone that disagrees with their position as a racist. Those who scream and preach 'unconditional tolerance for all' are actually the least tolerant of all.

Australia is now full of victims seeking out opportunities to take offence when and wherever possible and it seems that taking offence is now nothing to do with what was said but rather how anybody within ear shot chooses to interpret it. My opinion is no longer valid unless it is sanctioned by the professional victims association and ratified by the left wing media who are the self appointed voice of the Australian Community. 3rd rate 'journalists' like slobbo, rebecca willson, Jon Ralph & Andy Maher can get on their moral high horses and go and get stuffed.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Yep, that is exactly where we are at now. Legitimately criticising anyone has become dangerous because of the PC/do-gooder/lefty brigade who will instantly label you with some sort of 'ism' or 'phobia'. We can't even have reasoned debates about real issues like racism, asylum seekers etc. anymore because the above mentioned types that make up the victim industry will squeal and cry and label anyone that disagrees with their position as a racist. Those who scream and preach 'unconditional tolerance for all' are actually the least tolerant of all.

In fairness, Axeman - there are similar issues that if you are even remotely left-leaning on issues you get harangued as being a 'PC/do-gooder/loony lefty/bleeding heart/SJW' and your opinions are equally diminished swiftly. I also lament a lack of reasonable debate on a lot of issues - but the idealogues on both sides of the aisle have a LOT to answer for.

Oh and anyone working for the Hun or Telegraph up in Sydney are not working for the left-wing media.

 

[11sjw]

In fairness, Axeman - there are similar issues that if you are even remotely left-leaning on issues you get harangued as being a 'PC/do-gooder/loony lefty/bleeding heart/SJW' and your opinions are equally diminished swiftly. I also lament a lack of reasonable debate on a lot of issues - but the idealogues on both sides of the aisle have a LOT to answer for.

Oh and anyone working for the Hun or Telegraph up in Sydney are not working for the left-wing media.

Gees I hate that abbreviation!!

 

[Railrider1978]

No-one is going to win from this. Unfortunately Goodes can probably blame the media for beating up a completely rubbish story over the course of the year which is now self-perpetuating out of control. Goodes won't be able to take the field again without everyone in the media commenting on the booing or lack of booing. Goodes didn't help his cause with his spear throwing dance, by all means do that the other players or to no-one in particular. Do it to a segment of opposing crowd and you're stupid if you expect it's going to result in anything other than boos from that part of the crowd. Just if Hodgey goes up to the Tigers cheer squad tonight and fires an imaginary shotgun at them Williams-style after he kicks a goal , he's going to get booed by them every time he touches the ball for the rest of the game.

I think I've said before, I think the booing of Goodes is almost the opposite of racism. People are comfortable to boo "white" players because it's perceived as they don't like the player. As soon as it's a "non-white" player it's called racist by the media. The fact that crowds are comfortable enough to boo Goodes, especially after the media beat-up already this season, shows have far society has come that race isn't an issue. The problem is the media are looking for a story and I'm not sure this is actually doing anything to promote awareness of racism, it's just promoting that some people you can't criticise like you can others because they happen to be indigenous/muslim/irish/fijian/canadian.

 

[Bikefreak]

Guy on SEN rang up and said he has 2 guys working for him. 1 is black and 1 is white. The white guy is a good worker the black guy isnt.

Whenever he pulls the black guy up on his poor work, he claims that it is just racism.

The opinion of the SEN people was that as long as the black guy thinks its racism then it is.

Is this really where we are heading ?

Diabolical.

Where's the truth.....where's the facts and who sets the standard.....the media?????

I could imagine how that show would get run.

Imagine if a Policeman could pull you up and book you for anything without due process.....just because he is a Policeman........very scary.



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[Bikefreak]

What nonsense. She called him an ape.

Should Goodes and the other indigenous players just put up with it when the crowds start throwing bananas at them (which has happened to African soccer players in Europe)? Or are you saying they only have to put up with it when the person throwing the banana is under some arbitrary age, decided by you?

If my 11 year old son had done what the teenage girl had done, I would be happy for him to cop the consequences. That's how people learn.

Goodes is being picked on because he won't be silent about entrenched racism and indigenous disadvantage. The crowds are trying to bully him into submission, so that he stops reminding Australia about this unfinished business.

If the booing crowds succeed in forcing Goodes into retirement, the message to our indigenous players is "We love you as entertainers, but never forget that you are sub-human, so if we choose to call you an ape, we are allowed to do so, and we will destroy you if you ever complain about it, or if you ever complain about the status of your people. As far as we are concerned the fate of your people is because you are lazy and hopeless, it is in no way connected to our ancient theft of your land and all that followed, so we bear no responsibility for fixing that injustice."

I dont believe that the land belongs to anyone.....so it cant be stolen and it cant be owned. But thats a whole different issue.

No one one should have to put up with being called an ape, regardless of race, colour or creed.

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[Arc1]

An interesting development is that people are now saying it's at least bullying. The bad news being that under Aus WR laws it quite literally is the case that bullying is entirely in the eye of the recipient - if someone feels bullied, they are. Makes the life of managers dreadful, most particularly in the public sector.

So there is some good precedent to explain why people argue that so long as Goodes perceives it as racist, it is. But it's not exactly empiric is it.

I've been thinking a lot about the issue because I booed Goodes at the MCG game this year. Of all the suggested motivations? Mine was the lemming one. Was nicely hammered and missed a lot of the game chatting to a mate, the game was frustrating, and I wanted to vent.

Racist? Doubt it. I think most people on this planet are at least xenophobic, I'd be no exception. But I love our indigenous players and many other greats of the past and present who didn't play for us - Andrew McLeod would be nearly my favourite player of all time.

Personally I've never liked Goodes - was squarely in the camp of umpire's pet, plus pantomime vilain because he has smashed us a lot in years gone by. Yes he does the odd dirty act like head-high on Mitchell around the packs, but our guys aren't angels either.

But his racial and political stuff? I don't really care. Good for him speaking out about racial issues. Glad he pointed out that girl, even though it's now somehow a bad thing because she was 13 and "didn't know". (I mean FFS I know its a Pies fan but my 5yo knows better than that). Glad he exposed Eddie "King Kong" for what he is. Thought his spear dance was silly and done at an irrelevant moment. But so what.

Where I've got to though is that I wouldn't boo him again after all this unless it was in response to a game-specific incident.

Shame is, if that happened, we'd all be labeled racists yet again by the tired and unimaginative media who trundle around parasiting off our game.

The single worst thing though is that with Shane888 and Jones whipping up hate to their legion of bogan fans, you can bet that average public opinion on Goodes is getting worse not better. Australia, you're standing in it, as the great song used to go.

 

[Flag08]

Diabolical.

Where's the truth.....where's the facts and who sets the standard.....the media?????

I could imagine how that show would get run.

Imagine if a Policeman could pull you up and book you for anything without due process.....just because he is a Policeman........very scary.



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Imagine if Shoey was indigenous? Bigfooty would have to close down.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

An interesting development is that people are now saying it's at least bullying. The bad news being that under Aus WR laws it quite literally is the case that bullying is entirely in the eye of the recipient - if someone feels bullied, they are. Makes the life of managers dreadful, most particularly in the public sector.

So there is some good precedent to explain why people argue that so long as Goodes perceives it as racist, it is. But it's not exactly empiric is it.

I've been thinking a lot about the issue because I booed Goodes at the MCG game this year. Of all the suggested motivations? Mine was the lemming one. Was nicely hammered and missed a lot of the game chatting to a mate, the game was frustrating, and I wanted to vent.

Racist? Doubt it. I think most people on this planet are at least xenophobic, I'd be no exception. But I love our indigenous players and many other greats of the past and present who didn't play for us - Andrew McLeod would be nearly my favourite player of all time.

Personally I've never liked Goodes - was squarely in the camp of umpire's pet, plus pantomime vilain because he has smashed us a lot in years gone by. Yes he does the odd dirty act like head-high on Mitchell around the packs, but our guys aren't angels either.

But his racial and political stuff? I don't really care. Good for him speaking out about racial issues. Glad he pointed out that girl, even though it's now somehow a bad thing because she was 13 and "didn't know". (I mean FFS I know its a Pies fan but my 5yo knows better than that). Glad he exposed Eddie "King Kong" for what he is. Thought his spear dance was silly and done at an irrelevant moment. But so what.

Where I've got to though is that I wouldn't boo him again after all this unless it was in response to a game-specific incident.

Shame is, if that happened, we'd all be labeled racists yet again by the tired and unimaginative media who trundle around parasiting off our game.

The single worst thing though is that with Shane888 and Jones whipping up hate to their legion of bogan fans, you can bet that average public opinion on Goodes is getting worse not better. Australia, you're standing in it, as the great song used to go.

Some really excellent points. I agree with the Victorian anti bullying laws though as they stem from someone who was bullied to the point of suicide by her colleagues and her employer did nothing to stop it.

Sucks for the ordinary folk who get caught up in what feels like restrictive laws - but they are now there so people don't neglect their obligations to provide a safe workplace.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Imagine if Shoey was indigenous? Bigfooty would have to close down.

And if we're going with the spirit of generalisation like the press has all week - if Schoey was indigenous he'd porbably be a much better player based on our current crop!

 

[DrEvil_]

Easy don't boo anyone just cheer Hawks players

What about Breust?

 

[muff73]

actually, I dont mean to be a smart arse but the swastika has been used for thousands of years prior to the Nazis as a symbol of auspiciousness by religions such as Hindu and Buddhism

I agree 100% on the swastika, I was referring to the Nazi salute that I said "like the Swastika" as in when used by the Nazi's. All good, that's what I was meaning.

I have seen a few doco's on WWII and the Nazi's (nut cases) and had heard about the ironically very peaceful origins of the Swastika. I think that techically, in the Hindu and Bhuddists use, it faces or 'turns' the other way, but I might be wrong there.

Anyway, I'm sure everyone else is fascinated with this

 

[Gralin]

What about Breust?

We don't boo Breust though do we?

 

[Xtreme]

Where I've got to though is that I wouldn't boo him again after all this unless it was in response to a game-specific incident.

Shame is, if that happened, we'd all be labeled racists yet again by the tired and unimaginative media who trundle around parasiting off our game.

I've said that I have booed him before and I will boo him again. That said I only boo him when he's in a contested situation OR kicking for goal. I've never bothered to boo him when running out on the ground, in between quarters etc.

I wouldn't boo him during a lap of honour, but I'm not going to clap and cheer either.

 

[hardway]

When someone can explain to Me that a boo is racist remark I will then have some understanding. But at the moment I think society has gone mad. Do I think Goodes is being bullied? Yes but in a professional competitive sport it's fair game and he needs to either put up with it or retire.

 

[Arc1]

I've said that I have booed him before and I will boo him again. That said I only boo him when he's in a contested situation OR kicking for goal. I've never bothered to boo him when running out on the ground, in between quarters etc.

I wouldn't boo him during a lap of honour, but I'm not going to clap and cheer either.

I don't think I'd know until he was doing the lap. I don't like him much, but it's also a bit churlish to deny his achievements on the field. I think it's white line stuff - hate them while they're playing against you, celebrate them when it's over. That's how sport should be.

 

[Arc1]

Some really excellent points. I agree with the Victorian anti bullying laws though as they stem from someone who was bullied to the point of suicide by her colleagues and her employer did nothing to stop it.

Sucks for the ordinary folk who get caught up in what feels like restrictive laws - but they are now there so people don't neglect their obligations to provide a safe workplace.

Yes - likewise the objectively riduculous idea that giving someone too little work is bullying - until you realise this is the number one way to deal with underperformers in professional environments; instead of confronting behaviour you want them to change, you just freeze them out.

The problem is that it's quite literally one of those things that you know it when you see it, but you struggle to explain it clearly. And yet the govt insists on trying to legislate for it. So you get people trying to prove that when they sacked someone for underperformance, this was "reasonable administrative action performed in a reasonable manner" or other such tongue twisters. Grand farce.

As an example, it wouldn't be out of the question for Goodes to bring an action against his employer (which I presume is Sydney, though you could argue they're actually run by the AFL anyway he he) for failing to provide a safe workplace or such, or take his case to HREOC, if he was so inclined. Which is one example of where he isn't being a whiney bitch like some right-wing commentators are claiming. Compared to some of the serial complainers you get circling companies and govt suing for every time they get looked at sideways, he's a saint.

Still don't like him much. But hey.

 

[11sjw]

Facebook post going round from back in '01 when the Swans were promoting a game v Norf as "Boo a Roo" round. Shit always comes back.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Particularly upset tonight

In a week in which I've been in the minority saying boos aren't racist, to hear a Richmond fan call Gibson a "f#*%ing gollywog" is so upsetting

Most of my friends are of Mediterranean appearance, and my girlfriend is half Indian

Thank you to the members who approached me saying I shouldn't move, and the MCG staff who helped me when I was about to leave (this was halfway through the first qaurter)

Really am so appalled (after shaking with rage for near on a half)

 

[Cleavy]

now we'll get the nauseating "we did it for Goodesy" from the winning teams all weekend

 

[Hawk Hawkins]

Facebook post going round from back in '01 when the Swans were promoting a game v Norf as "Boo a Roo" round. Shit always comes back.

wrong + wrong = ???

 

[Pessimistic]

Which campaigner will be the first to say the tiges won it for goodsey ?

I cant stand king and smileyboy

 

[hardon]

now seeing the umpire getting mercilessly booed tonight made me realise what a f*****g hysterical over-reaction this whole saga has been.

the AFL and affiliated media have managed to create a runaway nuclear-powered over-reaction of epic proportions. the AFL media world is just an echo-chamber of sanctimonious hack idiots. i mean, really? to get to the point where proclamations are being made in the VIC parliament. "3 cheers" eh dan you lying ********. and comments from tony abbott about abuse?!? parliament anyone? my head hurts!

and the "you're with us or you're with the terrorists/booers" rhetoric has reached fever pitch. people have turned into morons. the AFL has managed to insult a significant portion of it's patrons during the space of 1 week: racists, sheep, idiots, etc.

it just shows how the media makes the story, feeds it, steers it and demands action on it, with no friggin' input from anyone else. it almost doesn't need anyone else! it just about sustains itself just as long as you look/click/buy.

 

[Chief]

now seeing the umpire getting mercilessly booed tonight made me realise what a f*****g hysterical over-reaction this whole saga has been.

the AFL and affiliated media have managed to create a runaway nuclear-powered over-reaction of epic proportions. the AFL media world is just an echo-chamber of sanctimonious hack idiots. i mean, really? to get to the point where proclamations are being made in the VIC parliament. "3 cheers" eh dan you lying ********. and comments from tony abbott about abuse?!? parliament anyone? my head hurts!

and the "you're with us or you're with the terrorists/booers" rhetoric has reached fever pitch. people have turned into morons. the AFL has managed to insult a significant portion of it's patrons during the space of 1 week: racists, sheep, idiots, etc.

it just shows how the media makes the story, feeds it, steers it and demands action on it, with no friggin' input from anyone else. it almost doesn't need anyone else! it just about sustains itself just as long as you look/click/buy.

You think booing an umpire is the same as the crap Goodes has gotten? What planet are you living on and how does one avoid it?