Banter Adelaide Board's Combined Politics/Covid discussion Banter Thread (WARNING NOT FOR THE FAINT-HEARTED)

[Mutineer]

Maybe don't have a go at me for offering up nothing when you do even less.

It seems excessive to demand what you can't bring.

Name calling aside

Old F.O.S. is back trolling again, go your hardest tryhard.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

UAP candidates didn't have the GET UP army operatives on the ground but you can go on believing what you want I really don't give a gig what you think.

UAP had far, far more resources.

They were ringing & texting everyone!

You are living under a rock if you don't think this had anything to do with policy!

 

[Cap]

Old F.O.S. is back trolling again, go your hardest tryhard.

Haha someone was rattled.

 

[George Kramer]

The people who didn't want to vote for Scomo outnumbered the people who didn't want to vote for Albo.

Different voters had different reasons, most had several reasons. We now know which way they voted but anyone who says they know why is only guessing. And the idea that it was one thing, and the same thing for every voter, is laughable.

Pardon my nuance.

Leading up to the election what we heard mostly from the lefites on here was ScoMo ScoMo incompetent liar, ScoMo ScoMo ScoMo incompetent liar with bits of climate change and ICAC. I might be mistaken but I can’t recall “move to the right” getting much of a run. Now it seems after they heard the Teal Candidates speaking of this during the election night they’ve jumped on board.

The hate for ScoMo was strong especially from women, no coincidence then the Teal Candidates were women, who would have appealed to women in the electorate who hated ScoMo.

 

[Crow till I die]

Mutineer - you still haven't explained how the only reason to the Tealsters won was because of money.... yet UAP who spent/wasted many, many, many times over didn't win a single seat.

Rather than laughing this off, how about you justify your claim.

I know you won't because you refuse to admit their voters left the liberals on policy alone!

It looks like from the outside that UAP got around 4% of the national vote (from the ABC elections website) which translates to approx 1/2 a million votes. What it looks like they didn't do was to be specific with their targets and as such they got a small spread over a wide area. The teal independents were funded and backed by SHoC and they were extremely targeted in which seats they went after and it paid off. I think a fair part of it can be sheeted back to a poorly targeted campaign by UAP.

One nation also received around 5 % of the national vote (from the ABC elections website) and have suffered from the same poorly targeted campaign it seems without doing a deep dive so between UAP and one nation, it is almost 1 in 10 votes went to them. Since those 2 parties are in roughly the same political sphere, they might be better served working together in terms of which seats they target so as not to pull votes off each other?

 

[George Kramer]

UAP had far, far more resources.

They were ringing & texting everyone!

You are living under a rock if you don't think this had anything to do with policy!

Maybe people were smart enough to work out they couldn’t keep interest rates under 3%

 

[Mutineer]

UAP had far, far more resources.

They were ringing & texting everyone!

You are living under a rock if you don't think this had anything to do with policy!

Ringing and texting, yeah that's way more effective than door knocking face to face....but only in Kano World.

You must be different to most folk I know because most hang up on those callers or robo calls and those texts go straight to the spam on my phone and get deleted.

 

[GreyCrow]

Who do you think Climate 200 wanted to win — Labor or Liberal?

Im going to go against the narrative and suggest the better option for the Tealsters was a narrow Lib win - just to force the Libs to make deals with them or cut their noses off

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Maybe people were smart enough to work out they couldn’t keep interest rates under 3%

So policy is important...

 

[George Kramer]

So policy is important...

And the fact he’s known as a dodgy arseh*le and thankfully the public isn’t that gullible

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

And the fact he’s known as a dodgy a-hole and thankfully the public isn’t that gullible

Fortunately only 4.1% of the public are that gullible.

Did the top-10 poster on this board vote for UAP again... or did he find someone else this time...

 

[1970crow]

That is a possibility.

I doubt they'll ever tell us what the main issue was post review, but it would be fascinating.

Funny thing is that in 3 years time if Albo fails to deliver and the Greens have been wielding their influence, we could easily see a reversal and end up with a 2019 result. And people will be making the same generational claims from the other angle.

Given how on the nose ScoMo is, I think it’s folly to draw too many other conclusions from this result. Except that you need to be trusted and believed when it comes to emission reduction. And this is where I think most right aligned liberal commentators are wrong. Nett zero is a worthwhile target and they need to sell why their path there is different. And how dangerous Greens policy is because in effect, it’s a Labor/greens coalition.

I’m not sure if I’d switched off or wasn’t watching at all, but I don’t think they even tried to equate Labor with greens policy to shut down the fossil fuel industry in this country. I’d have wrapped the teals into it as well. They look like being a heart attack from balance of power in the lower house and greens will have it in the upper house I think. I guess when you’re still infighting on your own policy, you don’t want to get into public convos about it.

 

[Cap]

So policy is important...

It's actually worse than that Kane.

They are all saying the Libs lost because they got out spent and had less people on their side.

What does that tell you.

 

[Crow till I die]

Maybe people were smart enough to work out they couldn’t keep interest rates under 3%

what about those who voted green with a policy of building a million homes - how (or more likely who) are they going to pay for that with house prices what they are today and what will that do to the national debt?..poorly thought out policies on both sides

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's actually worse than that Kane.

They are all saying the Libs lost because they got out spent and had less people on their side.

What does that tell you.

They didn't rort enough money to their donors... or they gave up on ScoMo?

 

[Cap]

Funny thing is that in 3 years time if Albo fails to deliver and the Greens have been wielding their influence, we could easily see a reversal and end up with a 2019 result. And people will be making the same generational claims from the other angle.

Given how on the nose ScoMo is, I think it’s folly to draw too many other conclusions from this result. Except that you need to be trusted and believed when it comes to emission reduction. And this is where I think most right aligned liberal commentators are wrong. Nett zero is a worthwhile target and they need to sell why their path there is different. And how dangerous Greens policy is because in effect, it’s a Labor/greens coalition.

I’m not sure if I’d switched off or wasn’t watching at all, but I don’t think they even tried to equate Labor with greens policy to shut down the fossil fuel industry in this country. I’d have wrapped the teals into it as well. They look like being a heart attack from balance of power in the lower house and greens will have it in the upper house I think. I guess when you’re still infighting on your own policy, you don’t want to get into public convos about it.

The Independents will be judged by outcomes they have no control over.

I was listening to a political advisor who seems to think once a good Indy is on place they are hard to dislodge. So it will be interesting if it is all unwound in 2025.

I think Labor has a majority, so they'll only be dealing wh the greens in the senate.

 

[George Kramer]

what about those who voted green with a policy of building a million homes - how (or more likely who) are they going to pay for that with house prices what they are today and what will that do to the national debt?..poorly thought out policies on both sides

Oh I agree, but one is sort of believable if they can force Labor to do it. The other just goes against how the cash rate is set.

 

[GreyCrow]

Think of him as an interim leader. It's quite likely that the next Liberal PM isn't in Parliament yet. Heck, if they continue veering further to the right, then the next Liberal PM may not have even been born yet.

Of course, with a real ICAC now likely to happen, there's a fair chance that many of the current senior Libs will be in prison by the time the next election rolls around.

Dont ever underestimate the power of the electorate to lurch again - or the ALP to screw this up

 

[George Kramer]

It's actually worse than that Kane.

They are all saying the Libs lost because they got out spent and had less people on their side.

What does that tell you.

Again why lie?

 

[Cap]

They didn't rort enough money to their donors... or they gave up on ScoMo?

Given its nothing to do at policy you would think someone like Josh Frydenberg could raise enough money and volunteers to absolutely destroy an Indy.

 

[GreyCrow]

. Nobody bats an eyelid anymore when a left-faction Labor MP is installed as PM with less than a third of the primary vote.

You keep saying this like it means something. It means nothing but it shows how deliberately obtuse you are to the lack of ''primary votes'' for any party

 

[1970crow]

The Independents will be judged by outcomes they have no control over.

I was listening to a political advisor who seems to think once a good Indy is on place they are hard to dislodge. So it will be interesting if it is all unwound in 2025.

I think Labor has a majority, so they'll only be dealing wh the greens in the senate.

Last I saw was 76, if it is still that you only need someone to get crook or suffer some other misfortune. In any case, Greens are insane, they’ll be wielding their power. Unless it’s easier to move a bit to the right and get the coalition to support your policy.

That’d be funny.

 

[Cap]

Again why lie?

Why am I lying?

I'm just making the point, These independents had all the resources and knocked off the moderate liberals on a moderate platform. Isn't that what you are saying ?

 

[George Kramer]

The Independents will be judged by outcomes they have no control over.

I was listening to a political advisor who seems to think once a good Indy is on place they are hard to dislodge. So it will be interesting if it is all unwound in 2025.

I think Labor has a majority, so they'll only be dealing wh the greens in the senate.

The teal independents will always side with Labor, so in the case of a minority government next time Labor will get back in.

Plus with who the Libs lost I can’t see them having a chance for a long time. If they lurch right they are screwed and we are already seeing Barnaby laying the foundation to walk away from their climate policy. Times have clearly changed, if the Coalition don’t push harder on climate change they are screwed.

Their one ray of hope though is in 3 years, Labor and the greens will have implemented their policies and they are the coalition are unlikely to walk back from that unless the policies end up being a disaster and hurting.

 

[George Kramer]

Why am I lying?

I'm just making the point, These independents had all the resources and knocked off the moderate liberals on a moderate platform. Isn't that what you are saying ?

Actually no and reread your post. You lied