Adelaide Oval - Discussion

[seanoff]

Well wont it be used every second week anyway even if they both play there? Considering there also going to play at AAMI?..

WTF are you on? and on about?

AFL is moving to Adelaide Oval. all AFL games in Adelaide will be at the Adelaide Oval. the only time the AO will not be used every second week is if the AFL schedule two games in Adelaide on one weekend and none the next.

the Crows will train at what is now AAMI and Port will train at Alberton.


AAMI is going the same way as VFL Park. ie housing and a training oval with the addition of some SANFL games.

The plan is for the Adelaide Oval to become like the MCG. Footy in winter, Cricket is summer. much better use of the $600M to redevelop it. both sports get a state of the art venue to use rather than the old and in need of complete redevelopment and poorly situated AAMI and a half arsed AO.

cliffs

All AFL to AO.
AAMI to be essentially knocked down and become a suburban footy ground/crows training ground.

 

[crows dude]

Well wont it be used every second week anyway even if they both play there? Considering there also going to play at AAMI?..

WTF are u talking about. There will be a game there every week. AAMI will no longer host AFL matches.

All games except for pre season games as cricket will have the oval in February will be played at Adelaide Oval.

AAMI is being halfed in size and becoming the crows training ground with pre-season games being played there as well. The surrounding areas are being sold off for housing.

 

[Stewies Power]

Aami is being reduced in size, car parking areas are being sold off for development, probably used for NAB Cup and SANFL matches/finals.

I heard that they are keeping the existing top tier stands at AAMI up for at least 10 years after the AFL leaves the venue. Don't see the point of it. Just keeps maintenance costs up. Nothing special about the venue really, but if they insist on preserving the stands for some years does it need to be ten years? And that's only the top tier stands

 

[brucetiki]

I heard that they are keeping the existing top tier stands at AAMI up for at least 10 years after the AFL leaves the venue. Don't see the point of it. Just keeps maintenance costs up. Nothing special about the venue really, but if they insist on preserving the stands for some years does it need to be ten years? And that's only the top tier stands

If the ground is going to be used for SANFL matches, I can see the merit in keeping the AAMI Stadium members stand. The northern stand, though, seems to be a bit of an overkill, but they may be keeping it because it's only 11 years old (well, 13 by the time AFL matches stop being played at AAMI).

If the ground ends up being completely demolished, with just the Westpac Centre and the playing arena kept, perhaps the SANFL could do to the members area what Hawthorn have done with the Sir Kenneth Luke Stand at Waverley.

 

[The_Wookie]

The SANFL is playing it cagey, you never know when or if they'll have another fall out with the SACA. Keeping Footy Park at 40,000 for the next 20 years is their ace in the hole.

 

[Papa G]

If the ground is going to be used for SANFL matches, I can see the merit in keeping the AAMI Stadium members stand. The northern stand, though, seems to be a bit of an overkill, but they may be keeping it because it's only 11 years old (well, 13 by the time AFL matches stop being played at AAMI).

If the ground ends up being completely demolished, with just the Westpac Centre and the playing arena kept, perhaps the SANFL could do to the members area what Hawthorn have done with the Sir Kenneth Luke Stand at Waverley.

But doesn't that stand as Waverly contain all of Hawthorn's facilities? With the Westpac centre having all of the Crows facilities, I just don't see the point except i guess for change rooms for the SANFL teams. I think though, AAMI will be equally unpopular for SANFL matches. The good thing about the SANFL is the local grounds. Prelims and GF's can be played at the Adelaide Oval guaranteed and the earlier finals could be played there too if neither Adelaide AFL team qualifies for home finals. Otherwise play them at a neutral SANFL ground.

Keeping anything at Footy Park outside the Crows requirements seems stupid to me and kind of reeks of the SANFL holding on to something that is unneccessary to save a little bit of face.

 

[brucetiki]

But doesn't that stand as Waverly contain all of Hawthorn's facilities? With the Westpac centre having all of the Crows facilities, I just don't see the point except i guess for change rooms for the SANFL teams. I think though, AAMI will be equally unpopular for SANFL matches. The good thing about the SANFL is the local grounds. Prelims and GF's can be played at the Adelaide Oval guaranteed and the earlier finals could be played there too if neither Adelaide AFL team qualifies for home finals. Otherwise play them at a neutral SANFL ground.

Keeping anything at Footy Park outside the Crows requirements seems stupid to me and kind of reeks of the SANFL holding on to something that is unneccessary to save a little bit of face.

The ground floor of the Kenneth Luke Stand is also retail. With Westfield across the road, I don't think that is a path the SANFL should go down, but they could probably redevelop it as their headquarters. Admin can take the lower levels, then upgrade the Magarey Room/Stadium Room etc and turn that area in a state of the art function centre complex.

Also, As The Wookie said, it could also be the SANFL keeping the SACA in check, knowing that if the SACA start playing up like they did in the 60's, AAMI Stadium is ready to go back online (don't think it'll go down that path, but this is Adelaide we're talking about here).

 

[Papa G]

The ground floor of the Kenneth Luke Stand is also retail. With Westfield across the road, I don't think that is a path the SANFL should go down, but they could probably redevelop it as their headquarters. Admin can take the lower levels, then upgrade the Magarey Room/Stadium Room etc and turn that area in a state of the art function centre complex.

Also, As The Wookie said, it could also be the SANFL keeping the SACA in check, knowing that if the SACA start playing up like they did in the 60's, AAMI Stadium is ready to go back online (don't think it'll go down that path, but this is Adelaide we're talking about here).

I'm pretty sure the SMA is strictly a 50/50 deal so I don't see how the SACA can in any way shaft the SANFL.

 

[The_Wookie]

I'm pretty sure the SMA is strictly a 50/50 deal so I don't see how the SACA can in any way shaft the SANFL.

The SANFL wont see anything wrong with keeping Footy Park there just in case. You never know what the future holds. The SANFL will make millions off land sales around the stadium without destroying the stadium itself.

 

[Stewies Power]

Neither the SACA or SANFL will be in full control of the Oval cone 2014 though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the SACA in control of the Oval 50 years ago? The SACA has been bleeding money for years, I doubt they will become arrogant to the SANFL and football ever again.

 

[The_Wookie]

You underestimate the SANFLs stubborn insistence on maintaining its independence.

 

[McCrann]

The SANFL is playing it cagey, you never know when or if they'll have another fall out with the SACA. Keeping Footy Park at 40,000 for the next 20 years is their ace in the hole.

Exactly. The SANFL/AFL will have more clout at the redeveloped AO than SACA. The SANFL/AFL would not have agreed to go there if SACA could use "shenanigans" to try and get their own way.

They won't be able to do that given the new stadium's reliance on football revenue to operate. AFL/SANFL will own SACA - not the other way around.

 

[Papa G]

Exactly. The SANFL/AFL will have more clout at the redeveloped AO than SACA. The SANFL/AFL would not have agreed to go there if SACA could use "shenanigans" to try and get their own way.

They won't be able to do that given the new stadium's reliance on football revenue to operate. AFL/SANFL will own SACA - not the other way around.

Yep, Don Bradman is long gone. Hopefully Whicker moves on fairly quickly and the SMA can have a relatively clean slate.

 

[brucetiki]

are they keeping the hill?

Err...yeah...

 

[DardySingh360]

are they keeping the hill?

Are you and CarltonKid the same person?

 

[millsy29gopies]

Are you and CarltonKid the same person?

Good question.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

 

[Kwality]

I'm pretty sure the SMA is strictly a 50/50 deal so I don't see how the SACA can in any way shaft the SANFL.

Any clear structure for the SMA yet?

 

[Yorkes_87]

Will be armed with a camera this weekend so may take a few snaps while I'm in Adelaide for Crows-Dogs before heading to Footy Park. Hopefully I'll get them to The Site if not here.

How did you go? We were at the Dogs game. Mum's a Dogs supporter and their my 2nd team. Not to get too far off topic but a good game.

Great idea to help out the local sporting clubs

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...laide-oval-seats/story-e6frea83-1226266147648

Our cricket and footy club here on Yorke Peninsula got some of those.

I like the fact that they have kept the hill and the scoreboard etc, but do see some of the issues outlined in this thread. I think a good idea would be to build shade resembling the Chappell Stands. I know the scoreboard is still going to be there but it is actually going to be used for AFL right and not just sitting there? Possibly a dumb question but had to make sure incase they can't afford/too tight to pay a couple of people to operate the board knowing the way things are run these days.

What are other thoughts on the design in general? At the risk of sounding like a whinger (leaving the fact that the state is broke and can't really afford this massive upgrade right now aside), personally, with the exception of the hill I think the stadium will look a bit, plain, maybe boring? All 3 stands are (I'm assuming) the same height and pretty much look the same so there won't really be a unique feel to any of the new stands, and when watching it on TV there won't be a unique look to any part of the ground (I think this has already been mentioned).

This brings me back to the Chappell stands which were particularly iconic, hence the idea I mentioned above with the hill. I think the hill is just fine as it is but if they want shade I think a shade resembling the Chappell stand shades would be a fantastic idea. I don't like the look of the roof either, a more traditional MCG-like roof would have prehaps better in my opinion, or possibly not.

The last thing is, do we really need 2 video screens on the southern end? Wasn't one in the south-eastern end sufficient? According to the plans they will be fairly low, I would think it would be better to have them high up at the southern end.

That brings me to the name of the stands. Should/Will the new Southern and Eastern stands be named the Bradman and Chappell stands still or something different? I think they should but that's up to individual opinions.

I'm 18 and still yet to actually go to the oval, which I'm regretting now, but any complaints above aside, I'm looking forward to seeing the new stadium. Might even see a cricket game over summer while some of the oval's suburban state remains. I hope I haven't rambled too much here but just sharing my thoughts on this.

 

[seanoff]

How did you go? We were at the Dogs game. Mum's a Dogs supporter and their my 2nd team. Not to get too far off topic but a good game.



Our cricket and footy club here on Yorke Peninsula got some of those.

I like the fact that they have kept the hill and the scoreboard etc, but do see some of the issues outlined in this thread. I think a good idea would be to build shade resembling the Chappell Stands. I know the scoreboard is still going to be there but it is actually going to be used for AFL right and not just sitting there? Possibly a dumb question but had to make sure incase they can't afford/too tight to pay a couple of people to operate the board knowing the way things are run these days. they might, they might not, but it cannot display the amount of info that is on the video screens.

What are other thoughts on the design in general? At the risk of sounding like a whinger (leaving the fact that the state is broke and can't really afford this massive upgrade right now aside), personally, with the exception of the hill I think the stadium will look a bit, plain, maybe boring? All 3 stands are (I'm assuming) the same height and pretty much look the same so there won't really be a unique feel to any of the new stands, and when watching it on TV there won't be a unique look to any part of the ground (I think this has already been mentioned). well you are assuming wrong. the southern and eastern stands are much bigger than the western side. the west holds 15000, the southern 14000 in a much smaller horizontal footprint and the eastern side holds 19000 in around the same footprint as the western side. the west stand will look quite different to the other 2. the southern has a unique roof and from outside quite a different look.

This brings me back to the Chappell stands which were particularly iconic, hence the idea I mentioned above with the hill. I think the hill is just fine as it is but if they want shade I think a shade resembling the Chappell stand shades would be a fantastic idea. I don't like the look of the roof either, a more traditional MCG-like roof would have prehaps better in my opinion, or possibly not. the hill has trees, and a roof of any type wouldn't work. the roof design continues the theme of the past with the Chappell stands and that thing that was in the south east corner and also the western side. an MCG style roof would look terrible

The last thing is, do we really need 2 video screens on the southern end? Wasn't one in the south-eastern end sufficient? According to the plans they will be fairly low, I would think it would be better to have them high up at the southern end. so how many people in the north end of the eastern stand wouldn't be able to see a screen?

That brings me to the name of the stands. Should/Will the new Southern and Eastern stands be named the Bradman and Chappell stands still or something different? I think they should but that's up to individual opinions.

I'm 18 and still yet to actually go to the oval, which I'm regretting now, but any complaints above aside, I'm looking forward to seeing the new stadium. Might even see a cricket game over summer while some of the oval's suburban state remains. I hope I haven't rambled too much here but just sharing my thoughts on this.

i'm writing this because i have to

 

[Yorkes_87]

i'm writing this because i have to

Makes sense. The plans appeared to show the Western and Eastern stands at around the same height. I think it's good to have one side slightly higher like the MCG, can't really explain why just makes it interesting I guess.

Yeah I tried to imagine an MCG-style roof which wouldn't work here. The only way it could possibly look alright is if it looped the entire oval, but even then it probably wouldn't look good here. [strike]The shade style just didn't really appeal to me. Maybe even something like Aurora Stadium? That suits to high stands as well as lower hill like areas. [/strike] Read your comment about resembling the oval's history i.e the Chappell stands, never thought of that but now that you mention it that's good enough to shut me up there. The shade over the hill was just an idea because there were a few comments suggesting some problems with an open grassy area especially during the winter months with rain ect but I like it as it is now.

Correct me if I'm wrong but two video screens is sufficient for pretty much everyone at any other ground. Again I could be wrong but I would have thought that one over the hill and one in the south-eastern/south western corner or prehaps in the southern stand offset left or right a bit would provide viewing for everyone.

 

[seanoff]

Makes sense. The plans appeared to show the Western and Eastern stands at around the same height. I think it's good to have one side slightly higher like the MCG, can't really explain why just makes it interesting I guess.

Yeah I tried to imagine an MCG-style roof which wouldn't work here. The only way it could possibly look alright is if it looped the entire oval, but even then it probably wouldn't look good here. [strike]The shade style just didn't really appeal to me. Maybe even something like Aurora Stadium? That suits to high stands as well as lower hill like areas. [/strike] Read your comment about resembling the oval's history i.e the Chappell stands, never thought of that but now that you mention it that's good enough to shut me up there. The shade over the hill was just an idea because there were a few comments suggesting some problems with an open grassy area especially during the winter months with rain ect but I like it as it is now.

Correct me if I'm wrong but two video screens is sufficient for pretty much everyone at any other ground. Again I could be wrong but I would have thought that one over the hill and one in the south-eastern/south western corner or prehaps in the southern stand offset left or right a bit would provide viewing for everyone.

Video screens a very cheap atm. the actual screens will be less than $1M each. (assuming 160sqm sceens) http://chipshow.en.alibaba.com/prod...P10_SMD_Outdoor_Sport_Moving_Led_display.html (that's doubling the costs quoted here) the associated infrastructure will probably be more than the screens.

to get an idea of the actual distance needed to view the screen as a moving picture. http://www.adi.tv/rental/about-pixel-pitch-and-screen-resolution.html


if you want to see a demo of how cheap they are, have a peek at the voice. they have 100s of square metres of screens used as the stage backdrop and as the stage. this is a massive change from even 5 years ago and it's because they are so cheap now.

Karise standing on LED video floor, surrounded by LED video screens

edit
click the link for a render of how big the southern and eastern side are compared to the west and how different they look.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/gallery-e6frecq3-1226346817054?page=31

 

[Yorkes_87]

I previously failed to notice the higher eastern stand in that video. Just watched it again. Thanks for all the info

The other thing that came to mind, possibly the most important one; remember when the MCG's Ponsford stand was being redeveloped in 2003 and the effect this had on goalkicking at that end (the ball dropped short and goals were quite hard to kick at that open end). Could this layout have a similar effect on the northern end? Or will the trees solve this problem or prehaps the area's open wide enough so it won't be a problem anyway.

 

[seanoff]

I previously failed to notice the higher eastern stand in that video. Just watched it again. Thanks for all the info

The other thing that came to mind, possibly the most important one; remember when the MCG's Ponsford stand was being redeveloped in 2003 and the effect this had on goalkicking at that end (the ball dropped short and goals were quite hard to kick at that open end). Could this layout have a similar effect on the northern end? Or will the trees solve this problem or prehaps the area's open wide enough so it won't be a problem anyway.

it will have some effect, it just has to. the effect, who knows. some of the baseball stadiums in the USA have strange wind effects where if you hit the ball in the right spot it gets picked up and just flies. but 10m left or right it'll get knocked down.

 

[Jakko]

I previously failed to notice the higher eastern stand in that video. Just watched it again. Thanks for all the info

The other thing that came to mind, possibly the most important one; remember when the MCG's Ponsford stand was being redeveloped in 2003 and the effect this had on goalkicking at that end (the ball dropped short and goals were quite hard to kick at that open end). Could this layout have a similar effect on the northern end? Or will the trees solve this problem or prehaps the area's open wide enough so it won't be a problem anyway.

It will have some effect, but during winter most of the wind is S/SW/W. Metricon and Skoda are currently using a horseshoe type ground ( on a smaller scale), just adds to the home ground advantage , nothing that will wreck a game.

Looking forward to it. Only shame is that it wont be 100% ready for the next ASHES.