News AFL announces compensation system for players going to GC/WS

[The Boy From Brasil]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...on-system-for-star-players-20100623-yx8e.html

Hopefully this won't affect us at all, and it is an irrelevant thread.

The AFL have released details of their new compensation system for clubs who lose uncontracted players to the Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney.

Under the new system, five "bands" will be created, based on the salary package offered and the age of the player. Band one will include elite players such as Geelong's Gary Ablett. If a club loses a band one player, it will receive two first-round draft picks

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...on-system-for-star-players-20100623-yx8e.html

As I read it, the AFL will have five categories called "Bands". Depending upon what "Band" the player is will determine what draft picks are used as compensation.

The two criteria to determine what "band" a player falls into are

1)Salary package offered by GC or GWS
2)Their Age

This works in our favour for someone like Harbrow(as a hypothetical), because he is young and even though you would think he is on a relatively low salary now, he would expect to be offered a high salary from GC and it is this figure which the AFL will use to establish his criteria.This will place him in a higher "band" and hence we receive higher draft pick/s.

Would be good to get a bit more indepth detail from the AFL though. Probably they will release it soon.

Anyway, fingers crossed that all our players stay and we don't ever have to contemplate it

 

[fred cook]

What does this mean regarding the father son rule

Say we lose Harbrow and get a very low pick for him

Do we have to use that pick on Libba jnr or Wallis Jnr ?

 

[The Boy From Brasil]

What does this mean regarding the father son rule

Say we lose Harbrow and get a very low pick for him

Do we have to use that pick on Libba jnr or Wallis Jnr ?

No.. The compensation picks are extra picks so they don't affect existing picks or F/S. And we can have up to five years to use the pick. We don't have to use it next year, we can bank it until a year or too later if we wish.

 

[OldSchool]

What does this mean regarding the father son rule

Say we lose Harbrow and get a very low pick for him

Do we have to use that pick on Libba jnr or Wallis Jnr ?

Father son picks are all squared away before the draft and are always the natural selections based on where you finish.
Additional selections gained via the trade period aren't considered.

 

[josh the gent]

Using an example, the way I read it is:

1. End of 2010 - we lose Harbrow to Gold Coast as an uncontracted player.
2. Harbrow is rated under the AFL system as a tier 1 player, based on his salary at Gold Coast + his age.
3. We receive 2 first round picks to use at any time in the next 5 years (drafts 2010 to 2014).

All picks under this method can be used by the club immediately following their normal draft pick in the year chosen to action those picks. The only exclusion is for any first round pick, where a club choses to action the pick in the 2010 or 2011 draft - they come at the end of the first round.

4. We hold our 2 first round picks until 2014, when we are in the middle of a slump. We finish 16th on the ladder and get pick 1 in the draft. We then action our picks, and also have picks 2 and 3 of that draft too.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it makes for very interesting trading.

Trading future draft picks is surely the way of the future for spicing up the AFL's trading week.

 

[chef]

Age now key to draft picks payoff
IT MAY become known as the Boak-Harbrow rule.
While the talk yesterday was about Geelong snaring two first-round picks if Gary Ablett goes to the Gold Coast, the change to the league's compensation formula was as much about emerging players such as Travis Boak and Jarrod Harbrow.
The jungle drums suggest Harbrow is all but gone to GC17 and Boak is not far behind. Believe it or not, at the moment both could be judged as valuable as Ablett.
Age and what Gold Coast is prepared to pay are the key factors in determining a player's worth.
History is not relevant, meaning benchmarks such as past best-and-fairest results are out the window.
Which is great news for clubs such as Western Bulldogs and Port Adelaide, which have been sweating over the prospect of losing stars ready to blossom.
Industry sources say Harbrow and Boak may get as much as $600,000 by Gold Coast if they decide to move.
Harbrow, a brilliant rebounding defender who is showing signs of becoming a dangerous midfielder for the Bulldogs, will be only 22 at the end of the season.
Boak, a midfielder a club could build a team around, also will be 22 when Port Adelaide's season finishes.
Is that enough for both to qualify for what the AFL dubs its "top echelon" of players? If they are pushing up towards $600,000 a season at such a young age, with 10 years left in their careers, they could just go close.
Losing a "top echelon" player means you get two first round picks in return.
Geelong, understandably, was happy when the news came through yesterday, but surely Port and the Dogs also were quietly chuffed.
Given Harbrow and Boak don't have a long list of past achievements, the old model might have resulted in nothing more than a second round pick coming back their way.
Hawthorn may not be so excited, but it, too, stands to be handsomely compensated if Campbell Brownwalks out for the Gold Coast, as speculated.
Given the inflationary environment, Brown would be well paid to leave. The only downside for the Hawks is age. The younger the player, the bigger the weighting for compensation.
As the head of the AFL's working group, Andrew Dillon said yesterday that the new system was designed to better "reflect the upside of younger players".
In other words, the previous system was seen as providing "unders" for the likes of Harbrow, Boak and even Melbourne's Ricky Petterd.
It is common sense to use the future, rather than the past, to judge the value of younger players.
And because Gold Coast is going to pay "overs" to attract talent, it will inflate what clubs losing an uncontracted player get back in return.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/age-now-key-to-draft-picks-payoff/story-e6frf9ox-1225883452013

As much as I hate the thought of Harbrow leaving, if we received to first round picks in return I would be ecstatic.

 

[johntravoltron]

Still would prefer he stayed Chef. He is one of a kind.

 

[100action]

if we finish last in 2012, the two first round picks will be golden. Pretty much enough for a full rebuild.

Say we get compensated (Picks 30 and 34 in 2010 draft for Harbrow) but we can choose to activate them in 2012, picks 30 and 34 corresponds to 5 and 9 positions after the first round respectively.

So if we finish last we get:

2012 Draft: Pick 1 + Pick 6 + Pick 10, dont forget we have Lachlan Hunter to draft as well so we nab a top 5 prospect with pick 17.

Pretty much enough talent for a full rebuild on top of the stuff we get in the 2011 draft and the 2010 draft.

 

[The Boy From Brasil]

I tend to wonder if the AFL knows which players are going to GC and how much they are being offered, when they amended this rule and constructed the formulas.

It is great that Geelong and other clubs put pressure on the AFL to amend their original compensation rules. I still cannot work out why all the AFL clubs ticked off on the original rules to begin with

Even the draft picks given to the new clubs seem excessive and over generous to me.

 

[doggies ftw]

if we finish last in 2012, the two first round picks will be golden. Pretty much enough for a full rebuild.

Say we get compensated (Picks 30 and 34 in 2010 draft for Harbrow) but we can choose to activate them in 2012, picks 30 and 34 corresponds to 5 and 9 positions after the first round respectively.

So if we finish last we get:

2012 Draft: Pick 1 + Pick 6 + Pick 10, dont forget we have Lachlan Hunter to draft as well so we nab a top 5 prospect with pick 17.

Pretty much enough talent for a full rebuild on top of the stuff we get in the 2011 draft and the 2010 draft.

Wouldnt we have to use pick 1 on Hunter, or would it be our second pick because a team cant bid below pick 1 and then its next available pick but wouldnt that be pick 6?

 

[Bulldogs Roar]

if we finish last in 2012, the two first round picks will be golden. Pretty much enough for a full rebuild.

Say we get compensated (Picks 30 and 34 in 2010 draft for Harbrow) but we can choose to activate them in 2012, picks 30 and 34 corresponds to 5 and 9 positions after the first round respectively.

So if we finish last we get:

2012 Draft: Pick 1 + Pick 6 + Pick 10, dont forget we have Lachlan Hunter to draft as well so we nab a top 5 prospect with pick 17.

Pretty much enough talent for a full rebuild on top of the stuff we get in the 2011 draft and the 2010 draft.

Wouldnt we have to use pick 1 on Hunter, or would it be our second pick because a team cant bid below pick 1 and then its next available pick but wouldnt that be pick 6?

Either way if we were to get pick 1 there would have to be some serious tanking involved and I for one would seriously upset if were to happen given our current squad.

 

[doggies ftw]

Either way if we were to get pick 1 there would have to be some serious tanking involved and I for one would seriously upset if were to happen given our current squad.

Yeah I agree but just wondering!

 

[_M_16_]

Assuming we did picked up a high draft pick or two, i would not use them this year or the next. As we wont finish low for a couple of years and our first pick would be fairly high up in the order, not to mention the father son bidding this year. Once the draft returns to normal by 2012, we should use them in a year of need based on draft prospects and depth. For example, club scouts and afl talent scouts in the future point out that 2012 is a weak draft, but 2013 looks to have a rich selection of KKP in the top 20, we should pounce on it then, instead of using the picks straight away for the sake of it. If we use them wisely, we have the chance to pick up a good couple of players in positions of need at the time